Saturday, July 01, 2023

Too Far, or Not Far Enough?

The world is a Rorschach test, but that doesn't mean it's just anything we want to be, because the extra-mental inkblot is objectively real, but so too are subjects objectively real -- even the most real, in the sense that no one has, or ever will, arrive at a nonfatuous theory of how a world of objects can give rise to subjects, any more than one could posit an exterior without an interior or an up without a down. 

At the very least the two give rise to and co-define one another, but guess what: dualism is off the menu, so while the human subject is temporally and existentially posterior to so-called objects (which actually have an interiority of their own on pain of being unknowable), subjectivity itself -- and even personhood -- must be ontologically prior. 

Which isn't a problem if we call to mind the old gag that what is first in intention is last in execution (i.e., the idea of the house is prior to its construction). 

Thus, perhaps the cosmos is just a side effect of someone wanting to create human persons. If there's another way to get the job done, I'm happy to hear it. But I have no interest in a theory that is self-refuting, nor ones that render human existence impossible. In other words, materialists and other cosmic flatlanders need not apply.

Back to where we left off yesterday. Or started, rather, with the venerable idea that the soul is the form of the body. I guess we have to draw a sharp distinction between soul and person or self, since these latter are very much involved with other persons -- i.e., are intersubjective -- whereas the soul is simply the animating principle of the individual. 

Recall that any living body is animated by a soul, while only human beings are said to have rational souls. 

Looks like we're gonna need to rethink this whole scheme from the ground up, at least insofar as soul and person coincide, because traditional definitions of the soul don't involve anything like intersubjectivity, or of humans being members of one another. If anything, it's the opposite, since the soul-as-form goes to the individual as opposed to any kind of intersubjective sharing of substance.

Let's consult a standard glossary for guidance, since I'm no scholar. Soul: "the substantial form of a living body by which matter is organized so as to be an individual of a given type, with characteristic powers to perform a range of vital functions." 

So, a human soul does everything an animal soul does. It has vegetative and sensitive powers, as seen in, say, Joe Biden, but with the additional power of reason -- not meaning logic per se, but rather, a capacity for objective and disinterested conformity to truth and reality. 

More from the glossary:  

Sometimes, especially in human beings, "soul" is popularly used to designate an individual's psychic dimensions, by contrast with "body" in the sense of an individual's physical dimensions. 

Wrong. Such thinking only fuels the kind of dualism under which western civilization has been laboring for a few hundred years. 

I don't blame Descartes for this, since who reads Descartes, anyway? The idea that philosophers are somehow the unacknowledged legislators of the world is just self-flattery for people who pretty much have no influence over the world. In my opinion.

This is not to say that no philosopher has such influence. Marx, for example, must be the most influential philosopher ever, but even he has influence only because his ideology piggybacks on certain enduring and ineradicable human traits such as envy, spite, scapegoating, pride, pseudo-omniscience, gnosticism, and plain old hatred

A note to myself somewhere... here it is... and don't get me wrong --  I'm not saying this is some great idea that no one ever thought of before -- nevertheless, here it is: factions are prior to their reasons for being

This is just another way of saying that man is tribal, and that politics for the sub-Raccoon revolves around the organization of atavistic hatreds. Thus, the progressive hates you because he hates -- beginning with reality, so don't take it personally.

Vis-a-vis Cartesian dualism, no one ever became a dualist because he was talked into it by some infertile egghead or tenured mediocretinRather, because it seems like common sense. 

It's the same with good things, say, liberty. As we've pointed out before, Americans first lived and embodied liberty for a few hundred years before positing it as an abstraction. It's why the left wants to import all these illegals into the country, since they don't know what liberty is and will therefore reliably vote for illiberal Democrats.  

So, dualism is a philosophical nonstarter. But so too is monism. The latter can seem obvious to people from certain other cultures and religions, but the western way -- or the way of Christendom -- is... trialism, or something.  

Let's bring back our Venn diagram, only turn it upside down -- or bright-side up, rather:

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Now, lets meditate on this image and see what we can come up with... First, let's pretend this is an image of the Trinity: there are three circles, but the white area symbolizes the substance they all share.  

Here's another image:

Here, let's imagine the three areas at the top as the Trinity (A, B, and AB), and C as the creation. Here again there is a shared substance, AKA the substance of Being. 

This shared substance is obvious if we consider the areas of AC, ABC, and BC. But if we limit ourselves to only C, then this can lead to various ontological deformities from pantheism to materialist monism to Kantianism (which denies any real knowledge of the other circles of reality, since it is enclosed in C).

In these deformations, it seems that the main problem is a rupture between C and the Trinity above. What to do....

I know -- what if ABC symbolizes the Incarnation, for it is at once the substance of the Trinity, but is present down below in area C. Let's consider the alternatives: what is AC from the standpoint of the man enclosed in C? Let's say it's the kind of dualism we see in Islam or certain strands of Protestantism, which is to say, God + world. 

What then is BC?  Let's say it is any kind of atheistic dualism. And like any other inadequate philosophy, both of these (AC and BC) are true in what they affirm but false in what they deny, which is to say ABC. 

Eh, I don't know, Bob. You may have stretched your illustration beyond the breaking point.

Possibly, but if you drive the cosmic bus, there will be occasional buswrecks.

14 comments:

julie said...

I like where things are going with the venn diagram; I don't think the bus has crashed, it just needs to be traveling in 3 dimensions.

Gagdad Bob said...

I think if we combine Schuon's images of the circles -- one with concentric circles around the central point, the other with the ray emanating from the center -- into a dynamic spiral, and then place the Trinity at the center, then we might have something....

Gagdad Bob said...

Then the downward ray is Incarnation, the upward ray sanctification...

julie said...

Heh - I bet if someone could incorporate all of the different elements and their proper dimensions, the end result would look suspiciously like a person.

Gagdad Bob said...

And vice versa: as above, so below, and so below, as above.

Gagdad Bob said...

is an analogy...

Anonymous said...

This is just another way of saying that man is tribal, and that politics for the sub-Raccoon revolves around the organization of atavistic hatreds. Thus, the progressive hates you because he hates -- beginning with reality, so don't take it personally.

As Spock would say, fascinating.

The other kind of human I’ve had cold hard dealings with, believes the same way. That kind takes reality just as it is with zero empathy or angst. They'll chuckle to themselves whenever somebody else won’t take personal advantage of some chaos. How stupid, they think. They’ll calmly sit inside the carnage swirling all around them like the eye of a hurricane. And when caught with having caused it all, will never take responsibility and always blame the victims. Power is their goal, and finding losers and suckers to use in the acquisition and exercise of power is a never-ending quest. Finally, and on top of it all, they think themselves to be a superior form of human.

Anonymous said...

I have an in-law who’s a lower-upper class conservative evangelical.

He and sis have all the family get-togethers since they’re traditional-thinking Guardians (Keirsey) and have the lower-upper sized house to do so. I never had a problem with him showing off since the food is good and I get the luxury of never having to clean my own house. In fact, I do believe that all the many other homeowning relatives usually in attendance all think along those same lines. We're quite happy to keep all that work at his place.

Occasionally, he does what I call “purple minioning”. You know, making a sudden loud outburst for no explicable reason. In his case, instead of “BLAAA!” or “Phhhtt”… it’s something like “COMMIES!”or “TRANS!”

It’s never directed at any one person but happens if some overheard TV noise or conversational blather triggers him. He’s not trying to be funny and he’s quite suave and self-controlled otherwise. His adult children try their best to keep his particular form of Tourette’s under control, but sometimes it’s hard not to bust out laughing.

What’s strange, is that he’s never once blurted out “ATHIEST!” or “DEMON CHILD!” Personally, I’d think his loved-ones eternal afterlives would be far more important to a believer than any political brainwashing from power-greedy political influencers, operatives and hacks.

So I’ve been wondering, should this be taken seriously? Is it going to get worse? And what does Dupree think about this?

Van Harvey said...

"Wrong. Such thinking only fuels the kind of dualism under which western civilization has been laboring for a few hundred years. "

A Big thumbs up there.

"I don't blame Descartes for this, since who reads Descartes, anyway?"

Oh I do, and sadly, I do. Though that blame is less for him originating the dualism, than for him bringing that 'unthought known' back into the West's conscious awareness.

"The idea that philosophers are somehow the unacknowledged legislators of the world is just self-flattery for people who pretty much have no influence over the world."

Yes and no, they're like a cultural 'Rotten Tomatoes' which influence which of the actual

Van Harvey said...

[#@÷&%! Publish button!]... 'unacknowledged legislators' will become popular, and the additional unthought knowns that will be enabled to follow from that.

Gagdad Bob said...

I was thinking of how, of all the hundreds of bad philosophies out there, only some "take" and gain traction; supposing they do, it must be because they resonate with something in human nature. For example, the world certainly has the superficial appearance of being dualistic, and there aren't that many ways to resolve this seeming spirit-matter dualism: from below (e.g., material monism), on its own level (actual dualism), or from above (idealism). Or, one can do so via a revelation from outside the system (e.g., "trialism").

Oriental Jazzman said...

Because the name record is not to say about the content, I will not love it. Problem is the quality of the goods. Claim exchange and cumbiness so it became possible to listen to the processing of expanding the hole in the hand-held taper reamer, but now crackling noise.

Although it is new, it is stunned and put the cleaner dust comes out surprised. What kind of environment do you make it? I wonder if it was such a Bakkon Bakkon.

I felt that I understood the feelings of people sprinting down the highway while playing purple highway stars loudly. The prices are also incredibly cheap.

Anonymous said...

Not sure what technique you're using there, Jazzman, but maybe a little social lubricant would smooth out the sound.

Anonymous said...

Jazzman, just because corporate greed has ruined popular music, doesn't mean you should be envious of their profits.

Or at least I think that's how the logic works.

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