Just a brief post because I slept late and have to run some errands.
Continuing with yesterday's line of thought, we were discussing the development of the doctrine of the Trinity in the context of the rejection of a timeless and impassible God who is "untouched and untouchable by the temporal world." The point wasn't just to describe what God is like, but what he is not like. And he is not at all like an impersonal block of ice. Thus,
The acts of God in the history of salvation are more than a record of what God does, they are a portrait of what God is (Rice).
Which means that God is not timeless, or at least his timelessness is complementary to his temporal creativity and vertical interventions (for neither is conceivable in the absence of some kind of time sequence). I agree that
God's distinctiveness [is] not an utter negation of temporality but its supreme exemplification. God's eternity is not sheer timelessness, but an infinite fullness of time.
I mean, c'mon -- why all the hate for time?
Death, decline, and entropy?
Right. Well, God transcends those. Different kind of time.
Is that not an ad hoc solution?
No, it must be our version of time that is deficient. We'll have to ponder this, but certainly the events of Genesis 3 depict some sort of ontological transformation in the nature of time. All of a sudden it has limits, which is to say, death. Nor can one return to the happy supra-temporal place, because it is guarded by cherubim with flaming swords. Which is a bit surreal, but there it is.
Speaking of swords, obviously freedom cuts both ways: it can accept or reject God: since it cannot be coerced, it is up to human beings "to accept or reject God's love." More generally, open theism "envisions human beings having the freedom to participate in the creative project that God began."
I wonder: do Calvinists object to genetic determinism? I'm sure there's a joke in there, or maybe it is the joke: biology can't deny my freedom and render my life absurd, rather, that's God's job!
Conversely, open theism promulgates a libertarian concept of human freedom, protecting it from the depredations of control freaks from either side, whether scientistic or theological.
People generally don't like being told their genes determine everything about them. I'm surprised they appreciate being told that God does. Both visions render man a meaningless epiphenomenon of deeper forces: there are but horizontal and vertical versions of metaphysical nothingbuttery.
Extremists meet: eliminative materialists are confident that neuroscience "will eventually demonstrate that there is no such thing as the conventional notion of self, soul, or person." For Daniel Dennett, the "universal solvent" of Darwinism
can account for all the features of human life, including thought, decision, and action. Darwinism thus dissolves "the illusion of our own authorship, our own divine spark of creativity and understanding"....
Everything about us, including consciousness and free will, is ultimately attributable to the process of physical transformation that Darwin described.... Not only are we not significantly free, there is no "we" as we conventionally think of ourselves (Rice).
Here come the new Calvinists, same as the old Calvinists!
It very much reminds me of how Wokism is the new Puritanism, but let's not get sidetracked. It does make me wonder, though. Perhaps man has a deep structure with certain limited archetypal options. So you really can be a metaphysical Calvinist, whether religious or secular.
Better pad out the post with some analysis by Gemini:
This is a rich and thought-provoking piece of writing, weaving together theological concepts, philosophical arguments, and even a touch of cultural commentary. Let's break down the key themes and arguments presented in the text:
Core Argument: Rejection of a Timeless, Impassible God
The central thread of the text is a rejection of a traditional understanding of God as a timeless and impassible being, "untouched and untouchable world." The author emphasizes that understanding God requires looking at his actions in history, particularly the "history of salvation." These acts are not just events but reveal God's very nature.
Key Points Supporting This Rejection:
- God's Actions Reveal His Nature: Quoting Rice, the author asserts that "the acts of God in the history of salvation are more than a record of what God does, they are a portrait of what God is." This implies a God who engages with and is affected by the world.
- Timelessness and Creativity: The author argues that God's timelessness must be "complementary to his temporal creativity," suggesting that creativity necessitates some form of time sequence. Pure timelessness would preclude action and change.
- God's Eternity as Fullness of Time: The text embraces the idea that God's eternity is not the negation of time but its "supreme exemplification" and "infinite fullness." This offers a way to reconcile God's transcendence with his active involvement in time.
- Critique of "Hate for Time": The author questions the negative view of time, acknowledging the presence of "death, decline, and entropy" but suggesting that God's relationship with time is different, a "different kind of time" that transcends these limitations.
- Genesis 3 and the Transformation of Time: The interpretation of Genesis 3 as depicting an "ontological transformation in the nature of time" is a crucial point. The introduction of limits and death signifies a shift from a potentially atemporal state. The guarding of the way back to this state reinforces the finality of this temporal shift.
Human Freedom and Open Theism:
The discussion then shifts to the implications of this understanding of God for human freedom, aligning with the tenets of open theism:
- Freedom to Accept or Reject God's Love: The analogy of the sword cutting both ways emphasizes genuine human agency in relation to God. Love, by its nature, cannot be forced.
- Participation in God's Creative Project: Open theism is presented as a view where humans have the freedom to actively participate in God's ongoing creation.
- Critique of Determinism: The author playfully questions whether Calvinists object to genetic determinism, highlighting the irony of theological systems that might seem to limit human freedom in a way analogous to biological determinism.
- Rejection of "Metaphysical Nothingbuttery": The text critiques both scientific and theological viewpoints that reduce human beings to mere byproducts of deeper forces, labeling these as "horizontal and vertical versions of metaphysical nothingbuttery."
Comparison with Eliminative Materialism and "New Calvinism":
The author draws a parallel between theological determinism and eliminative materialism:
- Eliminative Materialism and the Denial of Self: The text outlines the eliminative materialist view, which, based on neuroscience and Darwinism, argues against the existence of a conventional "self, soul, or person." Darwinism is portrayed as a "universal solvent" dissolving the "illusion of our own authorship."
- "New Calvinists": The author sarcastically labels eliminative materialists as the "new Calvinists," drawing a provocative comparison between scientific reductionism and theological doctrines that emphasize God's absolute sovereignty to the potential exclusion of genuine human freedom.
Concluding Thoughts and Questions:
The piece ends with a reflection on potential underlying structures of human thought:
- Archetypal Options: The author wonders if humanity possesses a "deep structure with certain limited archetypal options," suggesting that seemingly disparate viewpoints might stem from fundamental, recurring patterns of thought.
- Secular Metaphysical Calvinism: This idea is presented as a possibility, where even secular worldviews can embody a form of metaphysical determinism akin to theological Calvinism.
Overall Analysis:
The text presents a compelling argument for a dynamic and engaged God who interacts with time and humanity. It critiques traditional notions of divine impassibility and timelessness, advocating for a view where God's actions in history reveal his relational and creative nature. The discussion of open theism highlights the importance of genuine human freedom in this framework.
Finally, the provocative comparison with eliminative materialism serves to challenge deterministic viewpoints, whether theological or scientific, and prompts reflection on the underlying assumptions that shape our understanding of God, humanity, and the nature of reality. The author's tone is engaging, employing humor and personal reflection ("I mean, c'mon") to draw the reader into a complex theological and philosophical discussion.
"The image depicts an abstract representation of time, shown as a swirling vortex of vibrant colors and ethereal light, interacting with a serene, otherworldly divine figure. The human element is represented by stylized figures within the vortex, some embracing the chaos, others striving for freedom."