Friday, August 13, 2021

Logic, Meta-logic, Infra-logic, and the Seven Sacred I Wannas

Before circling back to The Philosophy of Being, I read something this morning that parallels Gödel's bottom-line insight into his own theorems, that

there are forms of Reason that bypass reason, and yet are perfectly reasonable and comprehensible. 

(Warren, https://www.thecatholicthing.org/2021/08/13/what-does-god-say/?utm_source=The+Catholic+Thing+Daily&utm_campaign=8d2a82a351-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_12_07_01_02_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_769a14e16a-8d2a82a351-244304881.)

It seems that a lot of folks conclude the precise opposite: that the theorems imply that we are forever confined to our own formal systems, with no possibility of knowing the "truth." Well, Gödel may have been crazy but he wasn't stupid: he knew there are truths that are surely true despite being unprovable. 

Which brings to mind a wisecrack by Schuon to the effect that things aren't true because they are logical but logical because true; in other words, truth is a priori, and logic is just an indirect means of demonstrating it. But it is hardly the only possible demonstration, for (among other reasons) some of the most important truths are self-evident.  

This is why we begin with doubt, or skepticism, or the senses, but we do not end there, for the intellect is ordered to reality, not to ignorance. Nevertheless, the majority of readers well understand how modern philosophy so easily degenerates 

into an existentialism in which logic is no more than a blind, unreal activity, and which can rightly be described as an “esoterism of stupidity.” When unintelligence -- “worldly” intelligence -- joins with passion to prostitute logic, it is impossible to escape a mental Satanism which destroys the very basis of intelligence and truth.

Thus we see how modern philosophies -- which are at least wrong -- culminate in a contemporary postmodern insanity that isn't even wrong. 

Which is again why it is so fruitless to argue with postmodern progressives. For them, truth and reality are entirely beside the point. We understand them (insofar as it is possible to understand absurdity) while they never stop proving that they have no idea what we're talking about.

The craziness is pervasive here where I live in Blue Heaven, right down to our local weekly rag, the Agoura Acorn. Check out this doozy from a couple days ago: "We cannot employ colorblind ideology in a society that is far from it." Which is like saying "we cannot incarcerate murderers in a society with so many murders." 

Which they also believe, come to think of it. Which only demonstrates how

logic can either operate in accordance with an intellection or on the contrary put itself at the disposal of an error, so that philosophy can become the vehicle of just about anything (ibid.).

Yes, anything -- for if you believe men can get pregnant and give birth, there is nothing you can't believe. Likewise, if you believe math is racist or that reading standards discriminate against Africans, you're waaaaaay out there where the Buses of Reason don't run.  

Not only does man have direct contact with truth, but this is because the very substance of the intellect is truth (i.e., the image of God yada yada). However, 

when man has no “visionary” -- as opposed to discursive -- knowledge of Being, and when he thinks only with his brain instead of “seeing” with the “heart,” all his logic will be useless to him, since he starts from an initial blindness....
The fact that the philosophic mode of thought is centered on logic and not directly on intuition [falsely] implies that intuition is left at the mercy of logic’s needs (ibid.).

Back to the essay by Warren. Which I haven't actually read yet -- only the first sentence. So, wait a moment while I finish it, and with any luck it will confirm the celestial hunchwork outlined above.

Okay, this is way over the line. What's with the unchecked aggression? THE SUPREME COURT HAS ROUNDLY REJECTED PRIOR RESTRAINT!  

A jackhammer, or a buzz saw, or an electric guitar, can make a noise, but not music. Indeed, the development of "rock music," and further degeneration beyond punk, represents something different again: I would rather not give it a name.

I'll give it a name -- indeed, I'll give it seven names, the seven sacred I Wannas of Joey Ramone:

I Just Wanna Have Something To Do

I Wanna Be Your Boyfriend

I Don't Wanna Grow Up

I Wanna Live

I Wanna Be Sedated

I Wanna be Well 

and of course
Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue

Warren is out of his element. True, God is the guest of silence. But not only silence. For while it is true that 99% of everything is garbage, this applies equally to the electric guitar as it does to theology, art, literature, blogjammin', whatever.

My only point -- Gödel's point, rather -- is this, and we'll have to put off The Philosophy of Being until the next post:

even in our most technical, rule-bound thinking -- that is, mathematics -- we are engaging in truth-discovering processes that can't be reduced to the mechanical procedures programmed into computers....  
Gödel's theorems don't demonstrate the limits of the human mind, but rather the limits of computational models of the human mind (basically, models that reduce all thinking to rule-following). They don't leave us stranded in postmodern uncertainty but rather negate a particular reductive theory of the mind (Rebecca Goldstein).

That's all I wanted to say. FINISHING MY COFFEE now. 

26 comments:

ted said...

Joey Ramone knew the limits of the human mind could be surpassed with just three chords!

Gagdad Bob said...

And Johnny proved it.

Cousin Dupree said...

The Tao of Johnny Ramone:

--Rock 'n' roll is meant to entertain. Hippie folk singers are supposed to be singing about leftist views, but I don't think rock 'n' roll was ever that way. I don't remember the early rock 'n' rollers ever expressing any political views.

--I figure people drift toward liberalism at a young age, and I always hope that they change when they see how the world really is.

--I think Ronald Reagan was the best President of my lifetime.

Cousin Dupree said...

If only he had lived to see our first punk president Trump.

ted said...

I actually didn't know about Joey's logical leanings. Now, I am really reverting to Ramone's fandom!

ted said...

I mean Johnny. Joey probably had left-itis hence his issues with Johnny.

Gagdad Bob said...

That's right: Joey was a typical secular Jewish Manhattanite lefty. When Joey wrote the song The KKK Took My Baby Away, it was with specific reference to Johnny (and the woman he married).

Gagdad Bob said...

Really entertaining book: One the Road with the Ramones.

One of the funniest stories is when they stopped at a gas station on the road and some lady told their manager, "it's so nice of you to take care of these retarded boys."

julie said...

That's hilarious. I always appreciated "Beat on the Brat," myself. If more people had followed his advice, perhaps we wouldn't be in this mess today.

I figured you'd have beef with Warren after reading further into his essay. I agree with him on many things, but one of the reasons to really appreciate him is because he's such a crank.

Gagdad Bob said...

Crank Like Me

Gagdad Bob said...

From an appreciative Japanese punk:

Announced in 76 It is one of the four great punk bands, the great Ramones, the debut of shock.

When I was 15 years old, “8 beats”, “three codes” and “leather jan”
were all cool ♪♪

Hey, ho Let's go I didn't need a guitar solo to get the heart of our kids ♪

Recommended ♪ What's “Dengeki Bop”, “Beats on the Blatt”, “Tomorrow the World”? No dumping songs...

“Kick around! To love today, to live in the world tomorrow.” Thanks

Anonymous said...

In this excellent post, Bob wrote "Which is again why it is so fruitless to argue with postmodern progressives. For them, truth and reality are entirely beside the point."

Why yes, I think you begin to grasp us now. What we lefties want is control, so we can get your money. We don't really care about the niceties around that project.

So what are the actual points regarding truth and reality? If you are rolling in dough and the champagne is flowing, isn't that the point? Does it have to be true? Does it have to be real?

People want food in the belly, a place to sleep, toys to play with, and a car to get around in. A set of peers to join. Someone to f*ck. Once these things are obtained, then all is well.

Truth? Reality? How do they translate into steak and whisky? That is your question of the day.

Anonymous said...

As far as "postmodern progressives", I dunno man. I always rate another's intelligence by the accuracy of their predictions. When was the last time a public conservative was actually accurate in any projection? I mean prediction? It's almost August 14th with no sign of a Trump reinstatement. And the Taliban will control Afghanistan once again. And Iraq is still mostly not-Christian. And the USA has been steadily descending into an agnostic failed state confusion through every government it's had (which have had little to do with progressivism the last 40 years.

I would need examples of this "postmodern progressives", as in major players and economic policies.

Anonymous said...

And the anonymous comments roll in tempting argument with postmodern progressives. Hilarious. "... (which have had little to do with progressivism the last 40 years" - even more hilarious.

Anonymous said...

That it's August 14 and Mike Lindell blames antifa for eating his homework, is of little concern in a world where progressives are "hilarious".

Anonymous said...

It looks like the Taliban will be taking easy control of Afghanistan, after all we've done. Why does it seem that the Afghans would rather have the Taliban running their lives than us Americans? Aren’t we supposed to be the good guys?

I’m thinking that there’s something about Americas shit which must stink to whatever natives whose lives need to be run, and that we Americans just don’t have the current ability to understand why.

But why fret over all that when blaming postmodern progressives is always so much easier?

Cousin Dupree said...

Besides, the important point is that our postmodern military is a safe space for lesbians, crossdressers, perverts, and other assorted Friends of Dorothy.

Gagdad Bob said...

Biden is in close contact with his top military advisors. But as Commander in Chief, it is ultimately his responsibility to decide just how to blame Trump.

julie said...

That's asking a lot of the old guy. I don't think he's even capable of choosing ice cream flavors at this point.

Anonymous said...

Lindell, and by extension Trump, have been made buffoons by this latest ridiculous circus.

Cringeworthy. Sad. What do you make of this, Gagdad/Dupree? You must feel somewhat nauseated. To think you threw your lot it with the likes of them.

Trump is done. Stick a fork in it. All chances now shot, permanently. If he had only won the darn election, the Taliban wouldn't be up in our grills anymore.

But look at like Vietnam. Sure the commies won. But as of today, who gives a f*ck? They are fine, we are fine.

So the Afghans are kind of letting the Taliban steam-roll them. The place will be Taliban Central.

So what. They don't export oil from the "grave-yard of empires." They have opium but since Fentanyl and other opioid synthetics came along that doesn't matter much.

We do not need Afghanistan, and Afghanistan does not need us. If they try to harbor a terrorist, we'll drone them where it needs to be done.

Keep our guys out of there. We've spent enough trying to get them to fly right.

Anonymous said...

Glow all you want, shill. Nobody here cares about your black pills.

Anonymous said...

Cousin Dupree said...
"Besides, the important point is that our postmodern military is a safe space for lesbians, crossdressers, perverts, and other assorted Friends of Dorothy."

I know, Dupree. Compared to your brilliant military record, sheesh. They don't measure up. Tell us about your military exploits again, Dupree. I never get tired of hearing about them.

Anonymous said...

Now people have I wannas. Sniff some glue? That's called getting high, everyone does it.

Beat on the brat with a baseball bat? Who among us has not not done this and would like to do more?

People want all kinds of things. Wanting things propels human civilization. If nobody wanted anything, then there wouldn't be much action.

Such as:

"Hey, you want to f*ck?" asks Lily from AT&T.

"No," you reply. You don't want anything.

"That's OK," says Lily. "I didn't want to anyway."

And that's how life would be. Gray, flat, and pointless.

Fortunately, in real life, you would rip Lily's shirt off with your teeth. You want her that bad.

julie said...

Two palate cleansers:
If it's all bad news, you know they are lying

Today

Gagdad Bob said...

Concur with Rob Henderson -- back when I was a liberal, the only proof I needed was social proof, i.e., what the cool kids & credentialed mediocrities believed:

Alongside prestige, another way people decide whether to believe something is through social proof. That is, how many of their peers believe it. Social proof is a mental shortcut that allows us to bypass the burdensome work of actually thinking about an issue on our own....

Although we live in the twenty-first century, our cognitive architecture is still set up for small foraging communities. In the ancestral environment, being ostracized by one’s community was a death sentence. The panic we feel as a consequence of social judgment is adaptive, because that feeling alerted our ancestors to life-threatening danger.

These two features, prestige and social proof, help explain why American culture has changed so rapidly. We didn’t suddenly become better at evaluating evidence and reasoning our way into cancel culture. Rather, people saw homo sapiens with fancy credentials emotionally express certain beliefs. Those beliefs spread, because most people mimic the views of high-status individuals in the hope that some of that prestige will rub off on them....

This is also how celebrity endorsements work....

Cancel culture has been shaped by the ideas of Marxism and postmodernism. A key aspect of Marxism is class consciousness and class conflict. The workers versus the capitalists; the oppressed versus the oppressors. A key aspect of postmodernism is the manipulation of language to serve group interests. Rearranging the definition of words to suit the aims of a faction. These ideas came from Germany and France. Migrated to America. We added our garnishes and shipped our version of it back across the pond.

Anonymous said...

What about biblical proof?

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