Wednesday, August 11, 2021

Even Paranoids have Real Friends

Let's complete our Journey to the Edge of Reason before circling back to The Philosophy of Being -- bearing in mind that a comprehensive philosophy of being is a journey to the edge of reason and beyond

In other words, no philosophy that confines itself to the necessarily circular and ultimately tautologous domain of reason is going to be complete. Which is indeed Gödel's whole point. 

Now, not everyone gets the point, including -- or so we have been told by the wise-in-their-own-eyes -- many experts. One such expert is Douglas Hofstadter, who wrote a popular book called Gödel-Something-Something way back in the disco era. But unlike the Bee Gees, it hasn't aged well. 

Here is an extract from the previous post, followed by a comment that cuts my coondle to the quick:

--The mind is not a computer. Sure, a lot of experts talk about artificial intelligence, but this is only because they are genuinely stupid. Or at least ignorant of Gödel.

You do know that the leading popularizer of Gödel in recent times, Doug Hofstadter, is an AI researcher?

Yes, we are aware of the book. In fact, it's buried somewhere in our vast Closet of Unnecessary Books. To be sure, these books are not totally unnecessary, as I will eventually get around to inflicting them upon the local library for profoundly serious reasons of tax avoidance.

At any rate, Gödel was a persistent Platonist (not that there's anything wrong with it), certainly not any kind of materialist. As it pertains to the possibility of artificial intelligence, he concluded that that the theorems are "decidedly opposed to materialistic philosophy," and that our intuition is "a more magnificent thing than what any machine could duplicate" (Budiansky). And 

If the mind is not a machine, then the human spirit cannot be reduced to the mechanistic operation of the brain, with its finite collection of working parts consisting of neurons and their interconnections (ibid.) 
Conversely, according to the always-untrustworthy-so-who-really-knows? Prof. Wiki, Hofstadter argues that consciousness -- not just his, but ours too! -- is but
an emergent consequence of seething lower-level activity in the brain.... he draws an analogy between the social organization of a colony of ants and the mind seen as a coherent "colony" of neurons. 
In particular, Hofstadter claims that our sense of having (or being) an "I" comes from the abstract pattern he terms a "strange loop", an abstract cousin of such concrete phenomena as audio and video feedback he has defined as "a level-crossing feedback loop". The prototypical example of a strange loop is the self-referential structure at the core of Gödel's incompleteness theorems

Now, his ant colony is undoubtedly bigger than mine, but that doesn't make it truer than mine. Hat size correlates with intelligence, but only in the range of r = .2 to .4. 

But let's not make an ontos out of an anthill. According to Gödel, "My theory is rationalistic, idealistic, optimistic, and theological." "It is," writes Budiansky, "committed to accessing the immaterial world of higher philosophical truths" -- truths which are again discovered, not invented, whether by us or by any conceivable number of tenured worker ants. 

Besides, ant is to queen as is many to one. And human image to divine likeness. Sort of. The point is, there's always a telovator to the top floor. 

"There are," wrote Gödel, "worlds and rational beings, who are of the other and higher kind"; these latter are "connected to other beings by analogy, not by composition."  

Moreover, "There is a scientific (exact) philosophy (and theology)" that "deals with the concepts of the highest abstractness."

Because even paranoids have real friends.  

8 comments:

julie said...

Now, his ant colony is undoubtedly bigger than mine, but that doesn't make it truer than mine.

2+2=4 no matter how big your brain is. Unless of course you learned math with Common Core and CRT, but that's just educationally imposed brain damage, which also hurts no matter how big your brain is.

Anonymous said...

Yes 2+2=4 is math but it's more commonly thought of as a metaphor for something axiomatic. In fact I wouldn't be surprised that the metaphor is understood without truly understanding the math. Now you might think that 2+2=4 is so basic that anyone old enough to be working the cash register at a fast food drive thru window would understand basic addition which could lead you to think basic subtraction would also be understood by the age of 16+ ... but you might be wrong as demonstrated by the young lady needing to pull out a calculator to figure out $20 - $14 = $6. Mercy!

Anonymous said...

It's because discrimination based on intelligence is normal practice that Jesus warns against it in Matthew 5;22.

Cousin Dupree said...

The left takes that passage literally: "in this Age of George Floyd, does it really feel as if the people currently on top of the totem pole of intersectionality, African-American women, are suddenly going to wholeheartedly adopt the white man’s ways of thinking about reality just because they are more useful, accurate, and honest?"

Anonymous said...

Getting people to fret over CRT or trannies or uppity negroes keeps em from worrying about all that stuff that they used to worry about. Me, I worry about Jeff Bezos every time he flies up in that giant penis of his. It's like, gee, nobody would have a job if he dies. The new guy would replace all his 150% annual turnover labor staff with robots.

Anonymous said...

Today as we speak, the election fraud has been revealed, checked and confirmed by experts, and a consensus quickly reached. The world now knows President Trump will go to his delayed inauguration and begin his lawful second term as President. Mike Lindell will serve as Vice President as Pence declined to serve his second term.

This is a huge day for conservatives.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous mentioned Mathew 5:22, and this deals with the severe consequences of making false accusations.

Therefore, I advise Dupree to be careful when casting aspersions. He may come to harm should he cast a false aspersion.

In the case of M.L, a false aspersion he made could be financially expensive.

Anonymous said...

2 + 2 = 4 only works under certain conditions.

For instance, when there is a special sale at Target, we see often see that 2 + 2 = up to 8 dollars worth of merchandise.

This stuff is all relative. Is everything relative? Is our perception of reality more than an electrochemical epiphenomenon?

Who cares, great stuff on sale = win/win.

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