Wednesday, October 07, 2020

Will the Real Reality Please Stand Out

 (Blogspot has forced a new writing format on us. I'll have to figure out how to fix the links later.)

I had no issues with <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/1677949775/ref=as_sl_pc_tf_til?tag=onecos-20&linkCode=w00&linkId=78473c036a67c8b61ab6a4b20636ca57&creativeASIN=1677949775>Reality</a> until the second half, which makes the traditional arguments for God's absolute immutability.  I appreciate the sentiment, but immutable means immutable, and -- well, maybe you're different from me, but I find it impossible to relate to something immutable, in particular, because something immutable literally cannot relate to me.

It seems to me that the traditional arguments for divine immutability should be understand in a negative rather than positive sense, in that they're more about preventing misunderstanding than conveying an unambiguous understanding.  

In short, everything in the world is subject to deterioration, entropy, decay, etc.  Obviously God is not like that.  But why go to the opposite extreme and say that he's incapable of change?  What if -- and we're just spitballin' it here -- the existence of bad change doesn't imply that all change is bad?  What if there's a type of change that doesn't at all imply privation or incompletion, but rather, is a perfection?   

Love, for example.  Or maybe the best surprise ever. Forever and ever.  

Another issue I have with the scholastic arguments about the nature of God is that they could equally apply to Allah -- not just vis a vis immutability, but omniscience and omnipotence, i.e., total knowledge and absolute will.  Of course, I'm familiar with arguments that try to reconcile human freedom and divine foreknowledge, but these always strike me as special pleading.  

You'll hear it argued, for example, that God's omniscience is analogous to how a parent can know what the child is about to do, even though the child is free not to do it.  But that's a massive category error.  It's not even a good analogy, because a reliable hunch isn't the same as absolute certitude.  Nor does the parent create the child with absolute and unbending foreknowledge of everything he will ever say, do, or think. 

Another issue I have revolves around the question of Trinity.  If God goes to all the trouble of telling us about his interior life, it seems to me that we should take it into consideration before making dogmatic and a priori argument from our end.   

From down here we can easily, with our natural reason, conclude that God is immutable.  Nor, prior to God revealing it, did anyone ever argue that what we call "God" is actually three persons in an eternal <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perichoresis">perichoresis</a>.  

The question is, does the Trinity change any of the traditional arguments, or is it irrelevant?  To me, it goes to the very essence of why the Christian God doesn't at all resemble Allah, nor the impersonal Brahman of Vedanta, which is likewise totally detached from human concerns..

I have a lot of disagreements with <a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1573928151?ie=UTF8&tag=onecos-20&camp=1789&linkCode=xm2&creativeASIN=1573928151">Charles Hartshorne</a>, but his solution to this problem bangs my gong.  It's not just that it makes intellectual and emotional sense, but it makes a whole array of absurdities and  pseudo-problems disappear. 

Of course, this doesn't mean he's correct.  But it sure makes God more approachable and relatable, and in my opinion, does nothing to diminish the divine glory and all-around awesomeness.  Frankly, I consider immutability to be a character flaw.  It's why a lot of people end up needing psychotherapy later in life: unresponsive <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Harlow#Monkey_studies">wire monkey</a> parents.

Yes, we've discussed this in the past, but not for about seven years, so let's review the argument. In Hartshorne's view, a fundamental error occurs when we take two contradictory terms -- say, change and immutability -- and apply only one of them to God: 

one decides in each case which member of the pair is good or admirable and then attributes it (in some supremely excellent or transcendent form) to deity, while wholly denying the contrasting term.

Let's take the polarity "being-becoming."  In the traditional view, being is privileged.  But what if this isn't a polarity or dualism but an eternal complementarity?  Isn't this what the Trinity is trying to tell us?  "Father <---> Son <---> Holy Spirit."  Isn't that a hint? Aren't they, you know, related? And aren't we invited to participate in that relationship, i.e.,  to relate to the eternal relating via the outpouring of grace?  

The clock is starting to run out, but we'll have much more to say about this in the next post. We'll end with a passage from Hartshorne:

There is good or superior unity and bad or inferior unity....

God is a being whose versatility of becoming is unlimited, whose potentialities of content embrace all possibilities, whose sensitive responsiveness surpasses that of all other individuals, actual or possible.

That may not be orthodox, but at least I can relate to it. 

28 comments:

Anonymous said...

Burroughs had his finger on the problem:

Consider the One God Universe (OGU). The spirit recoils in horror from such a deadly impasse. He is all-powerful and all-knowing. Because He can do everything, He can do nothing, since the act of doing demands opposition. He knows everything, so there is nothing for Him to learn. He can't go anywhere, since He is already fucking everywhere, like cowshit in Calcutta.

The Magical Universe, MU, is a universe of many gods, often in conflict. So the paradox of an all-powerful, all-knowing God who permits suffering, evil and death, does not arise.

neal said...

https://www.washingtonian.com/2020/10/07/white-house-raccoon-strikes-again/

julie said...

Neal, I get the warm fuzzies thinking about that little brother out there on the White house lawn.

God is a being whose versatility of becoming is unlimited, whose potentialities of content embrace all possibilities, whose sensitive responsiveness surpasses that of all other individuals, actual or possible.

This is why it matters that God doesn't just view us from the outside, but rather as one who experienced the fullness of being human - including the suffering and dying part.

God must be relational, because otherwise you could not/would not call an eternal existence with something immutable "living" in any sense.

Anonymous said...

We've spoken of Dunning-Kruger, that awful cognitive bias where people with proven low ability overestimate their ability.

I'm interested in the inverse, perhaps a cousin of scientism, but with more than just a step to the left. It also includes a loony jump to the alt-right.

I used to be a fan of Chris Langan (of CTMU fame), but quit when it seemed like he was just taking way too long to complete it and explain it to all of us wee folk. For the unfamiliar, he's said to have an IQ of 200 or something, yet spent most of his life working as a bouncer and currently owns a small horse ranch in Missouri. He might be described as the smartest horse bouncer in the world.

I've learned that rumors about his racism and anti-semitism abound, and have made him a darling of the alt-right. Other rumors claim that not only was he a 9-11 truther, but he also blamed George W Bush for it with the motive being to prevent the world from learning about his CTMU theory.

So what's it called when somebody has a cognitive bias about their own very high ability, to where they grossly underestimate just how low that ability really is?

Nicolás said...

A high I.Q. is indicative of distinguished mediocrity.

Nicolás said...

Great stupidities do not come from the people. They have seduced intelligent men first.

Nicolás said...

Until we come across instructed fools, instruction seems important.

Nicolás said...

Whoever is curious to measure his stupidity should count the number of things that seem obvious to him.

Nicolás said...

Intelligence is the capacity for discerning principles.

ted said...

I hate the new format, but lately I am not happy about anything new because it is all novel and no sense.

Gagdad Bob said...

I'm a blogging reactionary: if it isn't necessary to change, it's necessary not to.

Van Harvey said...

"Blogspot has forced a new writing format on us"

It really does stink. I've been using my own html writer for years, but now even the things that blogspot's editor sort of did ok, adding pictures, print preview, etc, are completely broken.

Hey google, can I get a high six figure job writing what your over paid interns aren't capable of doing?

Van Harvey said...

"What if -- and we're just spitballin' it here -- the existence of bad change doesn't imply that all change is bad?"

You're obviously unacquainted with the glories of the single one note symphony. 'And a one-ah, and a one-ah, and a one-ah,: "ooooooo..."', so captivating.

Ahem.

ted said...

Now that everyone is working remotely, they don't even have to get paid interns that have to live in the expensive Bay area. They could hire any smart kid with an internet connection in his basement who is eager to build a resume.

Anonymous said...

So Facebook’s banning of Qanon has the internet in a tizzy over the scope and limits of free speech...

...as well as the power of the Deep State’s Satan-worshiping pedophiles running a global child sex-trafficking ring which plots against President Donald Trump.

Speaking of supermarket tabloids, everybody knows they’re the best investigative reporting on the planet. Personally, I miss the Weekly World News. Great articles about batboys and cooking with toothpaste. So where we gonna go now for our real reality?

julie said...

If Q research matters that much to you, I suggest you go there and see what's happening instead of trying to slide things here.

Anonymous said...

Sorry Julie.

In more matterful news, the Pentagon has claimed that it heard nothing about Trumps decision to move out of Afghanistan, until Trump announced it.

Cousin Dupree said...

Good point. If the founders had wanted the president to be commander in chief of the armed forces, they would have written it into the constitution.

Anonymous said...

Good point Dupree. But if we need to go back, will the CIC have to go through congress again?

Cousin Dupree said...

Only if he's a Republican.

Anonymous said...

So a Republican can pull out anytime they want, but needs permission to go in.

Sounds like something my ex would say. Those rules suddenly didn’t apply to her when she got into the kinky stuff. The priest kept saying to just bring her in for a little chat but she’d get all angsty whenever we got close to the church. I hope this isn’t TMI.

Cousin Dupree said...

There's never too much information, only too little wit.

Anonymous said...

Sounds like you're enjoying yourself one of those gabby wives. A lucky man. You sure you haven't been intrigued by a keeping a pool boy around? Might be fun to watch.

Cousin Dupree said...

Are your referring to Armando?

ted said...

Bob: You were part of the "walkaway" movement before it was chic. This woman gives a narrative many of us can now relate to.

Stephen Macdonald said...

Well I see you raccoons have finally decided enough is enough. Good for you!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2020/oct/08/cnn-reporter-fends-off-white-house-raccoon-before-live-cross-video

Gagdad Bob said...

I'd love to see the reactions of a leftist watching the Georgia H. video. It would be like one of those Hitler-in-the-bunker parodies.

Anonymous said...

Good video.

Georgia H is living proof that just because you’re a blithering idiot, doesn’t mean you don’t have many admirable and realistic things to say.

A telegenic, healthy, intelligent native Caucasian from a prosperous family without financial concerns who has made the most of education, really has no business being anything but a conservative. There is much to be said about working hard to a living-well lifestyle. And to defend.

I was exactly that way once. Exactly that way.

I would’ve been one of her very best students, coming back to visit and profusely thank her for encouraging me to focus on believing in my abilities which enabled my lucrative engineering career, instead of victimizing myself just because I came from poor, abusive, physically handicapped immigrants.

A few years later, I would’ve come back to thank her for my focus on being a successful gig economy consultant, instead of victimizing myself after my job went overseas.

A few years after that, I would’ve come back to thank her (at her new nursing job) for my focus on my own career transition to successful small business owner, instead of victimizing myself after my career had been ruined by paranoid Christian conservatives worried about the shrinking local job market in our engineering field.

A few years after that, I would’ve come back to thank her for my focus on continuing my struggle to compete with illegals, grifters and other cheats, instead of victimizing myself because of my physical overuse injuries and emotional exhaustion. I might've even sought her out for my therapy, because I know (for real) that she's a rare person of integrity.

Today, I’d visit to thank her for focusing on thinking for myself, to be able to figure out that my struggles are very commonplace today, and have directly resulted from a handful of billionaires and corporations who’ve bought most of our “representatives” from both major political parties as well as our entire corrupt corporate media complex (regardless of political persuasion), instead of victimizing myself with their nonsensical diversionary focus on being woke, or gay, or minority, or deplorable, or poor little refugee immigrant, or “conservative” or “progressive” in our dying American Dream nation.

Georgia H is exactly the right person in exactly the wrong time. Maybe she would've helped to prevent all the "progressive" and "conservative" bullshit 40 years ago? Hopefully she’ll be able to maintain her conservativism while also being able to understand the real reasons why so many people are so angsty these days.

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