Monday, August 19, 2024

A Few Words About the Wordless

If we -- Homo sapiens sapiens -- are 75,000 years old, and philosophy doesn't get underway until a few thousand years ago, what did we argue about for 70+ thousand years? 

We all know about the so-called "axial age," which involved "broad changes in religious and philosophical thought that occurred in a variety of locations from about the 8th to the 3rd century BCE." New symbols for new experiences, apparently.

I remember reading a book by William Irwin Thompson called The Time Falling Bodies Take to Light, in which he claims that "at the edge of history is myth," such that "the matrix out of which events arise does not appear to be an event at all." 

Which reminds me of dreaming, which we can also never trace to a "beginning." Rather, we always already find ourselves in the middle of the dream, before which is.... 

Whatever it is, words can't go there. Rather, they can only come out of there. It is pregnant with language, even while being beyond speech. Like the Logos-Tao or something: once you name it, it is no longer the thing -- or experience -- named.

Or Eckhart's ground, which he symbolizes in various paradoxical ways, for example "The naked God is without a name and is the denial of all names and has never been given a name." And "For the intellect to be free, it must become naked and empty and by letting go return to its prime origin."

But let's not get carried away, at least yet. Supposing we could drill down to the bottom of the psyche, what might we find there? Or is it like quantum physics, whereby our perceptions are conditioned by what we expect to see, i.e., wave or particle?

Grad school was much like this, involving various theories of the mind which were all plausible and consistent within themselves, even if they contradicted every other theory.

Now do religion.

It's difficult to do religion for the same reason one cannot know the beginning of a dream. Dreams must start somewhere, or come out of something, but we cannot go there, at least while awake. Joyce of course tried, but that's another post.

Voegelin refers to this mysterious and inexhaustible matrix as the unKnowable depth which we symbolize in more or less adequate ways. 

The depth itself is "beyond articulate experience"; it is "the one depth underlying all reality experienced in the primordial field of God and man, world and society," and "a mode of participation in the process of reality as a whole." This participation is the "site" where the depth "becomes consciously luminous."  

Now, is any of this helpful? Does it have any practical implications? Or is writing about this just a weird way to spend one's retirement? Back before Mr. Google changed the comment box, there was a quote there by Voegelin to the effect that

The quest has no external "object," but is reality itself becoming luminous for its movement from the ineffable, through the Cosmos, to the ineffable. 

If this is true, then we need to do something about it, because man has been going about things in the wrong way.

10 comments:

Gagdad Bob said...

I wonder of he's in the same attractor: David Bentley Hart

"systematically subjects the mechanical view of nature that has prevailed in Western culture for four centuries to dialectical interrogation. Powerfully rehabilitating a classical view in which mental acts are irreducible to material causes, he argues that the foundation of all reality is spiritual or mental rather than material. The structures of mind, organic life, and even language together attest to an infinite act of intelligence in all things that we may as well call God.... Hart calls readers back to an enchanted world in which nature is the residence of mysterious and vital intelligences."

julie said...

It's difficult to do religion for the same reason one cannot know the beginning of a dream.

There's something to ponder. Like a child ... wondering why something is a tradition, when its origins have been lost to modern memory.

Gagdad Bob said...

Unless the experience from which it arose is recoverable in the present: for Voegelin an experience of transcendence is the experience of "reaching (or being drawn) beyond one's present horizon of knowledge or spiritual orientation." He is so obscure, though. There must be an easier way of talking about the phenomenon. I recall MOTT saying something about this -- about the vertical energies of renewal provided by esoterism, which supplement the more structural, horizontal tradition.

Gagdad Bob said...

I think I'll take a break until that book by David Bentley Hard comes out next week, and then review it.

julie said...

Feels like a good time for a break. We were expecting this summer to finally be somewhat relaxed; it has been anything but that. The thieves of slack have been putting in overtime.

Open Trench said...

Good morning Dr. Godwin, Julie, readers all.

Dr., this just in:

During your break, at a time and at a pace conducive to good health, please ascend Mt. Calabasas via foot trail, alone. At the summit:

Look to the East, and say "My soul, come forward to lead the life mind and body. Peace, peace, peace, come."

Turn and pause 30 seconds.

Look to the South, and say "God come down upon me and into me. Shape me into an obedient servant of your will. Shine down, shine down, shine down."

Turn and pause 30 seconds.

Look to the West, and say "Jesus be with me and in me this day. Let me forgive the trespasses of others, as you daily forgive my trespasses. Jesus, keep me from temptation and free from all sin and distress this day and all days."

Turn and pause 30 seconds.

Look to the North and say "Holy Spirit blow into me and out of me like a divine wind; let me perform your works; do reveal wonders to me; take me up in flight on on your mighty wings, show me the vantage far above any I have ever seen before."

Take a light meal. Then descend by the foot trail at a time and pace conducive to good health.

Refrain from revealing to any person the experiences you will have of God, Jesus, your soul, and the Holy Spirit, lest such experiences be altered from their true purpose, for a minimum of one week.

In God's name and fare thee well Good Dr.

Your loving friend Colonel Trench.



ted said...

I'm sure that DBH book will be good, but he has irked me in recent time with his cultural/political blind spots. As one theologian mentioned, DBH seems to be doing a good job talking himself out of his Orthodoxy.

Gagdad Bob said...

Sometimes he strikes me as a pompous ass, but we'll proceed with an open mind.

ted said...

He can wordsmith like a SOB, so I'll give him that.

julie said...

In other news, someone used AI based on the Shroud of Turin & the Veil of Veronica to recreate what Christ might have looked like. Pretty well done, honestly.

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