Monday, February 05, 2024

A Riverruns Through Us

On second thought, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want to return to the enchanted worldview of that old time religion, in which faith is taken for granted and everyone unquestioningly believes the same doctrine. I can't help thinking that such metaphysical uniformity would be a little tedious. 

Living in our debased culture has its annoyances, but then again, at least it's possible to be counter-cultural. Moreover, it's fun to try to integrate all the things that secularists are convinced render God and religion utterly moot. What's the word, Jeeves?

Frisson, sir?

That's the one -- I like the frisson of taking this and taking that, and then combining the ingredients into a new recipe.

Happily, the world is inexplicable. (What kind of world would it be if it could be explained by man?) 

A boring one. No frisson for you! 

Along these lines, the essay we're discussing (on Josef Pieper's anthropology) touches on Charles Taylor's diagnosis of secularism, whereby he claims that it is not just a matter of "less religion," but -- in my words -- the replacement of one metaphysic with another. 

Taylor calls this implicit worldview the "social imaginary," and -- to put it mildly -- our secular social imaginary is no less imaginary than the religious. Which in turn accounts for the unhinged and obnoxious fervor of our progressive neo-Puritans.

The social imaginary is 

the way in which "ordinary people 'imagine' their social surroundings." In the classical world the social imaginary was such that atheism seemed an impossibility. In the twenty-first century it strikes many people as inescapable.

Thus the frisson that results from escaping it. I'm guessing it feels similar to what Renaissance or Enlightenment thinkers must have felt in escaping the religious social imaginary. However, it is anachronistic to characterize these thinkers as secular in the modern sense. 

Rather, most of them remained thoroughly religious but merely wanted to "expand" and supplement the religious social imaginary with discoveries from the new science. Few of the important thinkers were as credulous as our contemporary bonehead atheists.  

"Taylor defines this secular mindset as being primarily shaped by the gradual distancing of God," with the result being that "we can [now] rationalise the world and expel the mystery from it."

As if! 

Supposing the Mystery is still here -- and cannot not be here -- where does it go? Into what is it projected and/or tamed? Besides neo-gnostic political ideology?

Off the top of my head I can think of several, for example, over the horizon of the "scientific unknown," so to speak (AKA the scientistic godlessness of the gaps). It is also projected into the future, thus the plague of futurists babbling about some great singularity over the temporal horizon. Speaking as a recovering psychologist, it is also projected into the "unconscious," which serves as a kind of placeholder for everything mysterious, uncanny, and etherworldly. 

In any event, one thing of which we can be sure -- maybe the only thing -- is O. Being that it is infinite and we are finite, there is actually a kind of non-stop frisson between us and it. This is indeed Voegelin's biggest of Big Ideas -- that man qua man is situated in the space between immanence and transcendence. We can pretend to escape it in either direction, but the result will be either a private or social imaginary.

There is an important sense in which we cannot escape the social imaginary since we cannot escape our imagination. I've mentioned on Many Occasions that for me, a proper function of religion is to provide a kind of map of the unimaginable and inexpressible transcendent so to speak. Let Schuon explain:

We are here at the limit of the expressible; it is the fault of no one if within every enunciation of this kind there remain unanswerable questions.... [I]t is all too evident that wisdom cannot start from the intention of expressing the ineffable; but it intends to furnish points of reference which permit us to open ourselves to the ineffable to the extent possible, and according to what is foreseen by the Will of God (emphasis mine).

Which tracks with some of our favorite Aphorisms, for example, that religion essentially maps a new dimension of the universe. The religious man lives among realities that the secular man ignores. And

He who speaks of the farthest regions of the soul soon needs a theological vocabulary. 

Alternatively, one can simply deny the existence of the soul. Problem solved. But 

When the authentic mystery is eclipsed, humanity becomes drunk on imbecilic mysteries.

A soulless social imaginary for secular simpletons. Thus

The simplistic ideas in which the unbeliever ends up believing are his punishment.

Ultimately, 

The universe is a useless dictionary for someone who does not provide the proper syntax.

We could write a whole post on that one alone, for one can know all the words in existence, but if one fails to string them together with the proper syntax, one cannot express the meaning. And even then, semantics can never be reduced to syntax, rather, we use syntax to express a meaning that transcends the words. Otherwise, to hell with it.

This is all just a way of saying that semantics transcends syntax, and at every level of being:

The meanings are the reality; their material vehicles are the appearance.

For example, as someone once said, DNA is not the secret of Life, rather, Life is the secret of DNA. Or

Truth is in history, but history is not the truth. 

 Moreover, 

It is not true that things have value because life matters. On the contrary, life matters because things have value.

I.e., a transcendent meaning and value that are a prolongation of eternity into time. Any objective meaning or truth we discover is a function of this vertical dynamic between immanence and transcendence. 

Back to our essay. As Taylor writes, with the rise of secularization "we might say that we moved from living in a cosmos to being included in a universe" -- in other words, enclosed in immanence. Which is again a totally imaginary construct -- as if the Cosmos could be self-sufficient, i.e., the cause of itself. In your dreams!

Did someone say dream?

A riverruns through us. 

Thaaaat's right, Petey, a vertical riverruning right through Eve and Adam's, a commodius vicus of recirculation, or something. 

"Riverrun" is not a beginning, but a continuation -- a continuation among other things of the ecstatic, swiftly slipping and abruptly interrupted sentence..., [whereby] the last word flows into the first, Omega merges into Alpha, and the rosary of history begins all over again (Campbell & Robinson).

That's a good place to end and beginagain. Tomorrow.

35 comments:

julie said...

On second thought, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want to return to the enchanted worldview of that old time religion, in which faith is taken for granted and everyone unquestioningly believes the same doctrine. I can't help thinking that such metaphysical uniformity would be a little tedious.

Maybe I'm off the rails a bit here, but if you look at the structure of God's interaction with mankind throughout the course of history, I don't think a monolithic uniformity was ever going to be the result. The shape before Christ was like tree roots leading toward one uniform trunk, then afterward, eventually and I suspect inevitably the trunk had to branch out, and then branch some more. The schisms and reformations were painful, but how else yo reach those who don't fit the one mold, especially when the mold gets too corrupted? Some of the branches may be rotten or a little wonky, but so long as they're still attached to the trunk they serve a purpose. There's a reason Jesus used so many plant metaphors, and I doubt it was just that so many of his contemporaries were farmers.

Anyway, a religion that's all trunk and no branches sounds a lot like one of those old idols the Israelites kept turning back to, and we all know how well that ends.

julie said...

"Taylor defines this secular mindset as being primarily shaped by the gradual distancing of God," with the result being that "we can [now] rationalise the world and expel the mystery from it."

It would be cute that they think so, were the consequences not so dire.

Gagdad Bob said...

The thought occurred to me while reading an excellent history of the reformation that describes both the average believer and what things were like for the average believer. For example, most priests were pretty much unlearned, and were just as likely to pass along superstition as valid doctrine. The great majority of people were illiterate and themselves mired in magic and superstition. Etc. Sure, there was an Aquinas, but the distance between him and the average believer was massive.

Gagdad Bob said...

(That was in response to the first comment.)

Gagdad Bob said...

It's as if the masses went from religious magic to secular magic...

julie said...

I figured, and that's an excellent point. Compared to everyone else, monasteries were places of enlightenment and scientific discovery, but that doesn't mean they were that knowledgeable.

A couple of years ago, some of the natural science books we were reading had been written probably more than a hundred years ago. It was interesting to see the things people understood then, vs. how much they had no idea about. They had the intelligence, just not the tools and the body of knowledge we have at our fingertips.

Gagdad Bob said...

For example, Luther entered a monastery a couple weeks after a frightening experience involving thunder, and not too long afterward was made a priest. How much could he have actually learned in such a short span? It is no doubt this that allowed him to invent a new religion that no one in the previous 1500 years had thought of.

julie said...

Ha - indeed.

Gagdad Bob said...

There was also the printing press, which greatly accelerated the spread of fake good news.

julie said...

And now with the internet, lies travels the globe at the speed of light and the majority of humanity has become even bigger wankers than they were before.

Gagdad Bob said...

Ironic how the the open internet facilitates epistemic closure: and expandingly shrinking -- and flattening -- universe.

julie said...

True - maybe the flat-earthers are onto something, just not in the way they think...

Van Harvey said...

Julie at the top, and Gagdad at 11:49:00 AM - Yep.

Technully said...

I've been nerding out on the massive crop of words harvested from all the posts in this blog from 2005 until a couple weeks ago (blogger allows anyone to download any public blog -- hope that's OK?). Must be some kind of record. There are around 20,000 words that appear at least once, and are not contained in the dictionary (i.e., word list of 479,000 English words).

A lot of that is noise (some typos, urls, and other cruft). But I'd estimate there are at least 10,000 "bob-isms" in there.

I can post the text file somewhere if anyone is interested.

Soon I'll begin training a large language model on the entire blog. I honestly have no idea what the result will be. As I said in a previous comment, I doubt the thing will have much -- or any -- capacity for zingers or rimshots, but it should be able to expound on connections in the corpus that we cannot see because we can't read at a billion words per second (in any direction).

Gagdad Bob said...

Count me interested in any attempt to tame the archive!

Gagdad Bob said...

But there are no "typos." Petey assures me.

Technully said...

Petey should know, having appeared here 555 times as of early January (the word "Petey", since the blog started).

The "typos" are 99.9% blogger software mucking up things like apostrophes during the download.

Technully said...

New tidbit: From 10/10/05 until 1/22/24 Bob wrote 5,508,849 words on this blog (comments excluded).

Technully said...

For comparison, the KJV typically has around 783,000 words. Ulysses is 262,222 words, written over 8 years.

Technully said...

Honoré de Balzac wrote approximately 8 million words during his lifetime (highest of the major Western writers).

The distinction of highest output of any known writer supposedly goes to the dubious anti-Raccoon, L. Ron Hubbard. According to his "church", the Hubster dumped 65,000,000 stinkers on us. (yeah, I don't believe it either)

Gagdad Bob said...

Wow. 5.5 million words. Of course, there's a lot of quoted material in there, so in order to beat Balzac I need to surpass the margin of plagiary.

julie said...

Looks like you have a new goal to reach for, Bob. I wonder what the comments would bring it up to?

Gagdad Bob said...

To Balzac, and beyond! But I can't help thinking Lileks is already there.

Gagdad Bob said...

I just looked it up and Churchill wrote 13 million words, so we have a ways to go for all time logorrheac.

Gagdad Bob said...

Then again, if they're going to count his political speeches, I wrote millions of words of forensic psychology reports, so those should count too.

julie said...

S just won a case today that featured testimony from two forensic psychologists (one for plaintiffs, one for defense). Biggest clown show of a case I've ever seen. An eviction lawyer's feelings got hurt on Twitter; you'd think they'd have thicker skins, but I guess not.

julie said...

Anyway, it was interesting seeing what a forensic psychologist actually does.

Gagdad Bob said...

Forensic psychology makes climate change look like science.

Gagdad Bob said...

Basically, it consists of reverse imagineering from the outcome you want.

julie said...

I believe that, it's almost exactly what happened.

Given the constraints of their interaction with the subject and the limits of the questions asked, it's ludicrous to think they could have accurately assessed the severity of her symptoms and pinpointed the cause as being a twitter account and not the massive other serious stressors she had going on at the time, but of course none of the other issues would have resulted in a payout, so...

Gagdad Bob said...

Even if you wanted to do it well, it can't be done well, because you have to cram and divide the human subject into legal categories -- for example, "exactly what percentage of the patient's mental illness was caused by the industrial injury, vs. what percentage was caused by all non-industrial and pre-existing causes combined?"

I was sometimes tempted to include man's fallenness as one of the latter factors.

julie said...

That would have been good.

Although it was nice to see the Dr. for our side explain the standards for PTSD and why she didn't meet them - especially the whole lack of actual trauma part.

Gagdad Bob said...

Yes, PTSD is often diagnosed without the actual trauma part, and to quote Schuon, "In reality, man has the right to be legitimately traumatized only by monstrosities; he who is traumatized by less is himself a monster." Every time.

julie said...

Yep, that's an accurate description.

Van Harvey said...

Technully said "...Soon I'll begin training a large language model on the entire blog..."

Hmmm... training a large language model on a blog sprung from a book whose ending leads into its beginning... promises to bring out the circularity in the very artificial intelligence, but might still spawn some hilarity!

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