Tuesday, June 01, 2021

Vive la Différence

Or not. In any case, there is a fundamental difference between esoteric and exoteric approaches to the ultimate knowledge, or knowledge of the Ultimate. First, the latter: St. Thomas 

does not admit that an a priori proof of God's existence can be given. He grants indeed that the proposition, God exists, is in itself self-evident, and would therefore be self-evident to us if we had a priori face-to-face knowledge of God (Garrigou-Lagrange).

However, for Thomas "we have no such a priori knowledge." Rather, we must "begin with a nominal definition of God, conceiving him only confusedly, as the first source of all that is real and good in the world." 

As with everything else, we must start at the far end -- in concrete sense experiences -- and subsequently determine whether they "necessitate the actual objective existence of a First Cause" corresponding to our nominal definition of God.

Now, in my opinion, one can work from the senses up to God or from God on down; moreover, I would say that the two approaches are complementary, or in an eternal dialectic. And it is precisely the God-on-down vs. senses-on-up approach that goes to the esoteric-exoteric distinction. I suspect, anyway.

Vis-a-vis the esoteric approach, Laude explains that, in contrast to Thomas, its epistemology isn't a posteriori but a priori: it

sees the act of understanding as presupposing a prior knowledge of the object that is understood, whereas concepts and terms are only occasional means of actualization.

It reminds me of how, just because we have a word for something, it doesn't mean we have any idea what that something is. It's easy enough to prove God exists, but what is God -- besides your own circular conceptual definition? How do we get from the abstract knowledge to the concrete experience -- or as symbolized in the book, from (k) to (n)?

one can only know that which one already knows, often without knowing that one knows it. It follows from the premise of this epistemology that understanding does not, and cannot, depend upon a literal grasp of conceptual terms (Laude).

An analogy. Suppose one wants to prove the existence of music, beginning with sensory experience, i.e., with air vibrations striking the ear drum. While there is a continuity between this and the experience of music, music cannot be reduced to mere sensory stimulation. Rather, it will only be an abstract conception exterior to the realm of music unless and until the music is actually heard; and it isn't heard by adding the discrete sensations together. Rather, the musical composition is prior to our sensory experience of it. 

Same with the divine. Some people just can't hear it, even though their ears are in perfect working order. This is why, for example, I don't respond to the intelligent design people. They're like someone trying to prove the existence of music by looking at how the notes appear to be organized. To say that the cosmos reflects "intelligent design" is simultaneously redundant and insufficient. 

Rather, it is enough to say that intelligence exists, because intelligence participates in the truth it knows; it is the substance of truth, otherwise it would again be purely conceptual and exterior to what it knows. Not only does the soul become what it knows, but it must already be what it knows (in potential), or it could never possess real knowledge. 

This conundrum is solved if we just acknowledge that intelligence and intelligibility are complementary reflections of the one divine substance. Intelligence doesn't just know truth, but participates in it a priori.  

27 comments:

julie said...

Suppose one wants to prove the existence of music, beginning with sensory experience, i.e., with air vibrations striking the ear drum.

Funny; I suspect if one were really determined to prove the existence of music, they would find it impossible. Much like trying to define "art." We all know it when we experience it, but pinning it down to a mere definition is an exercise in futility. how much moreso, then, with God?

Anonymous said...

I enjoyed this thoughtful philosophy post.

From the post:

"Now, in my opinion, one can work from the senses up to God or from God on down; moreover, I would say that the two approaches are complementary, or in an eternal dialectic."

This sentence encapsulates a total spiritual practice package.

From the senses to God, this is contemplation on the beautiful, i.e, a majestic mountain range, an elegant woman, a grand church. All things to do with humanity, art and science. From this position the person addresses prayers to God. The sensation of separation and the emotions of fear and awe are felt.

From God to the senses, this is the reply to the prayers or the spontaneous communication from God to the soul. This is felt by the person as deep joy and all of the whispery intimations from our deep core. The sensation of unity and the emotion of gratitude emanate from this source.

So this is the two-way channel which we use for worship and to receive grace.

There is much more to the post, it is a good one.

Regards, Lil' Beaver

Anonymous said...

I've just received a gain-of-function modification in the troll lab. I'm ready to spread out and test this thing. But not here. Not now. It is too peaceful here.

-Black Hole

Anonymous said...

A "troll lab" sounds a bit Norwegian, and perhaps socialist. It sounds like you're on the verge of announcing that Sweden's dabbliance with herd immunity freedoms yielded disastrous results, at least in comparison with its more socialist scandinavian neighbors. As such I must remind you that black holes are simply uber-successful stars, like our human 1%-ers.

But do remember that without black holes of the supermassive variety, stellar systems would be floating about aimlessly, and so very alone. Black holes are not a threat. Unless you get too close. Or if they happen to wander into your neighborhood and there won't be a single damned thing you can do about it. Ha! Ahaha. Ahahahahahahahahahahaha! (*snork*). Excellent.

Black holes are just successful stars. Humans should be worshipping them.

ted said...

I bet nobody is going to see the Ken Wilber film this weekend.

Anonymous said...

Speaking of Grace and Grit, that local family run restaurant "With a passion for local food and southern hospitality, chef driven with a focus on fresh Lowcountry seafood..."

I know that people can be led to believe that governments work to the point where it actually does work. Or conversely, can be led to believe that government cannot ever work to the point where it cannot ever work. This weakness in being led or misled (or reled or unled), seems like it’d be an important science to me. It even seems that more importantly for me, that I should be taking full advantage of this situation since I’m in one of those lines of work where such skillsets have proven to be quite lucrative.

The opportunities to take full advantage of the sheeplike moron are like big ripe apples all juicy and delicious, hanging so low and fruitful. Yet I refuse to do so, preferring to spend my time here bitching and moaning about the fact that people are just sheeplike morons, just because I’ve been on the receiving end of sheeplike moronity.

I’ve decided that I may need a shrink. Though for me, an evil shrink would be best, methinks, as long as this evil shrink is willing to teach me such evil and doesn’t confuse me with one of the sheeplike morons, plucking me like some kind of low hanging sheep-fruit.

Anonymous said...

Hello Anonymous 5:59 AM

You commented in part "people are just sheeplike morons, just because I’ve been on the receiving end of sheeplike moronity."

I get where you are coming from (hell is other people).

That being said, a famous sage once said "Love your neighbor as yourself."

Now, love is a tall order, but you could begin with respect.

People don't have to earn your respect; they have been given a fiat to exist on this earth and have all the rights and privileges appertaining to that.

Even the most moronic, sheep-like, annoying individual can teach us something. They are in fact teachers placed in our path. One obvious lesson is "don't be like me."

But some really stupid people are also very loving and will give all without a second thought. They can make us smarties look really bad sometimes.

Be observant. There is something magical about each human being. You can suss what their subtle treasure is, amidst the chaff and dross.

And aside from a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You've as much right to be here as anyone or anything else.

That's my treacly sermon for the day, now I'm off to see Grace and Grit. Ticket? Check. Barf bag? Check.

Anonymous said...

Hello Anonymous 11:07 AM:

Thank you for your wonderful comment! You got it right, the troll lab is located in Trondheim, and my hometown is Narvik. I am a black Norwegian, not to many of us around.

I have been told to keep my new gain-of-function under wraps until my handlers decide the moment is right. In the meantime I am to resume normal trolling activities with instructions not to lift more than 10 pounds and to keep the incision clean and dry.

This just around the bend: Massive 2020 election fraud evidence uncovered, Trump re-instated to the presidency, gasoline prices immediately plunge.

I say to the opponents: A-ha! Take on me; take me on. (Scintillating synthesizer sounds)
Let's all sing that wonderful lyric, full falsetto. And take your clothes off. Everyone.

Time to get down and nasty with that b*tch c*nt Black Hole. She is the one to beat.

Gagdad Bob said...

"It would take an alien invasion for the NY Times and I to agree on something."

Ken Wilber: "Hold my cruelty-free microbrew":

"If you can make it through the first ten minutes of 'Grace and Grit' without groaning, then your tolerance for New Age folderol, saccharin voice-overs and seraphic gazes is higher than mine."

Cousin Dupree said...

Love is eternal. Or in Wilber's case, interminable.

Gagdad Bob said...

The greatest love story since Bill & Melinda Gates. Or maybe even since Plankton and Karen.

Anonymous said...

There could be a twist to the end of It.

Anonymous said...

Well Bob, it would seem Ken Wilbur is your new age doppelganger. He's the got the book "The Theory of Everything," the structural diagrams, the radiating lines, the reductive paradigms, the whole nine yards.

You are him. He is you. The big sages with the big ideas and the books on the market. There are only a few points of disagreement between Wilbur and Gagdad, the big stickler being the personhood of the Creator. Ken likes God formless, and Gagdad likes Him up and talking like a man.

Also, whereas Wilbur is emotionally labile, Gagdad is closed off and taciturn.

There is also a discrepancy in book sales made to the public, but I'm not going to touch that one with a ten-foot pole.

Have a happy evening everyone, please don't go to the movies, or at least not to *that* movie.

Anonymous said...

Hello Panel:

I mined this juicy little chunk from the post:

"Not only does the soul become what it knows, but it must already be what it knows (in potential), or it could never possess real knowledge."

This is interesting. I have heard claims the cosmos may be "holographic," i.e, each fragment of the cosmos also contains the whole cosmos. This is counterintuitive, but we do know holographs are like that.

A case could be made each person embodies all knowledge; each of us the full cosmos. Theoretically then each of us could, by accessing ourselves fully, fully know and understand the cosmos without even rising from our meditation couch to get a drink.

Shocking but it all makes sense; reality may be "out there," but instead of sensing it through vision, hearing, touch, smell and taste, it would be far superior (and quicker) to 'grok' the cosmos completely by going within the self, wherein all things are contained.

Some mystics have spoken of the Akashic Record, a repository of all events both past and future. But this would go even beyond that. There would be no need to study up; the immense body of all facts and experiences would be accessible en masse and instantaneously.

It would be like being opening a door and entering the mind of God. I wonder if He would welcome us in and make us feel welcome, or say "Get out, this is my domain alone."

-Tasurinchi to the Left of the Waterfall.

Anonymous said...

Good Morning, citizens! Here is an important message from your World Government Public Bureau authorized by the President's Office in Barcelona, Spain.

1. Consumption of Cruelty-free microbrew is encouraged.

2. Citizens may now let the dogs out.

3. No more masks for vaccinated folks. Subject to change.

4. It is encouraged to talk about the clitoris. This organ has recently been found to be larger than most people realized, so technique is going to need adjustment for many of us. This will be a good thing.

5. A stitch in time has been found to save eight, not nine, so please make a note of that and adjust calculations accordingly.

-Thank you Citizens! We love you and are looking out for you. Bon Fette!

Anonymous said...

It's far more interesting when the election of people who claim to look out for us but don't, as a lesson for us all, becomes a such part of the common culture that scientists (our scientists that is) proclaim it human nature.

So they let Nero burn downtown down so he could get down in his downtown palace. Ha! Suckers.

When the joke gets old a Vespasian-type will eventually come along to burn down Nero's downtown and with the help of some Jewish loot, turn that entitled mess into mass orgies of death in grand amphitheaters.

So we have the rich Jews, and we have the palaces. Is there a Flavian out there?

Anonymous said...

Hello. I am backing Gagdad Bob for President '24. Would he do for a Flavian? Opinions please.

-Roman Consul dressed in White Toga

Anonymous said...

Hmmm. I’d call his reign "The Bobofavianoid”. Aimed to enhance the blood circulation, anti-oxidantification, anti-allergenification, anti-arthritification, and other anti-inflammatorications. And with a little stretch here and a little pull there, we’d also get to have a hundred straight days of gladiatorial games and exotic animal slaughter.

Anonymous said...

I think GDB would make a reasonable Trump-style President, sticking it to the MSM and so forth.

But I know he would not be down for it. Not enough slack time.

I hope our world government can smooth out the deficits of our national government.

The deep state and all.

Anonymous said...

I've heard lots of people cast aspersions at Jews. I have a hard time understanding it. Aren't they just normal citizens operating under the laws of the land like anyone else?

And yet they continue to implicated in conspiracies, usually financial. What gives here?

I've known a few Jews and they were not especially gung-ho on Judaism and seemed pretty normal. They explained about how they don't do Christmas.

So can someone shed some light on this?

I mean there was Carnegie, JP Morgan, Rockefeller, Henry Ford, etc. None of them Jews. The titans of American finance were apparently not Jews.

I'm left with the impression anti-semites are telling us something.

And who believes the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion?" This was de-bunked.

So, there we have it. I don't get it. I don't see it. What am I missing?

Cousin Dupree said...

If you knew, it wouldn't be missing.

Anonymous said...

Some say the good Jews are the comedians, like Seinfeld, Mel Brooks and Billy Crystal. But I say, what about the sucky comedians like Roseanne Barr, Andy Kaufman, and Joan Rivers?

Some say the good Jews are the old school, like those Haderi who dance so well. But I say they're generally despised in Israel. Others say the good Jews are the Moderns, because they look more like us and don’t believe that the Messiah had to be the one to launch Zionism, necessarily.

Some say the good Jewish billionaires are like Sheldon Adelson, because he’s a staunch Trump supporter. Others say Soros is the good one. Still others, though far fewer in number, are fans of Michael Bloomberg.

But one thing is for certain. Ever since Jesus kicked temple moneychanger ass, Jews everywhere have been hoarding gold. Goyish tradition has been to let Jews hoard their gold for a time, then kick their ass and use that gold to finance stuff like hanging gardens and Nazi war machines. My assumption is that this has happened so many times in Jewish history that maybe they wouldn’t mind much if the USA suddenly pillaged Israel like some piggy bank grown fat, after everything goes to financial hell here in America.

There are plausible sounding reasons for the existence of Israel. And then there are the real reasons.

Anonymous said...

I don't buy the trope of the Jew as business savants who oppress others. They are just people and anyone can be good at making money.

And greed? That is a cardinal virtue in the business world. It just goes without saying, you want to increase revenue. That is the whole point of capitalism. So greed is not really a vice on the financial playing field; it is a given.

Anyhoo, maybe envy comes into play. IDK and I don't want to know. I'm done with this topic.

Anonymous said...

So you're not gonna vote for Bob as Dear Leader/Flavian? Better'n Trump.

Anonymous said...

Such strange ideas: greed is good, anyone can make money, goys are Jew-jealous. Indeed, why didn’t the ancient Romans just become like the Jews and then try to spread Jewishness to those pagan and Muslim barbarians who eventually conquered them?

Anonymous said...

The post is titled Viva la Difference. It is about time we started talking about diversity.

Many think diversity is good. Some think not so much.

Gay Pride Month is on right now. How do gay people and gayness fit into the One Cosmos perspective? Why are some people gay, and is that a good thing or a bad thing?

I think because gayness impedes reproduction it surely is not a selected for trait, Darwinian speaking. Yet it still occurs. If ever there was a mystery, this would be it.

Anonymous said...

Gay Christians are children of a lesser, albeit more flamboyant God. That one, it's a booming lispy voice from the sky. In ancient Rome, these Christians were among the first to get their asses conquered, while the straight Christians at least tried to keep theirs protected. This doesn't mean that we haven't had the occasional curiosity about the Roman God Priapus, or the Haderi Jew's compulsion to dance with other men while excluding all the women.

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