Saturday, January 09, 2021

Bob vs. a 15 Year Old

Another brief one, which seems to be the new norm. Lucky you!

I am a different person from the one who staggered into graduate school in 1981 and stumbled out in 1988. In one sense this is a banality, but I mean something different. 

That is, supposing one is the recipient of an extensive post-secondary education -- particularly in the humanities -- this should presumably help one actualize and perfect whatever nascent intellectual gifts, virtues, and potentials one possesses.  

I remember the Happy Acres Guy using the analogy of a sports camp: attending one isn't going to turn the non-athlete into an athlete; rather, it's purpose is to make the athlete better: it can perfect one's skills, not conjure them 

Same with college. There's a reason why it cranks out credentialed idiots by the thousands: because these idiots were never intellectual athletes to begin with. Or maybe you've never read Michelle Obama's master's thesis.

Now that any idiot can graduate college, one supposes that the purpose of graduate degree is to distinguish one from the common idiot with a BA. But one has only to have attended graduate school to know this isn't true. 

It reminds me of a recent column by Roger Kimball about the ludicrous Doctor Jill Biden. Her silly title "communicates less honor than affectation and social insecurity":

Ithe United States, anyway, it is generally understood, though seldom mentioned in polite society, that the less distinguished one’s academic institution, the more likely one will insist upon the honorific “Dr.” And that’s for Ph.D. degrees. The degree of Ed.D. -- officially a “doctor of education” -- is, let’s be candid, more a certificate than a degree. Yes, one is entitled to the title “Dr.” But it’s only a short step, or half step, up from those entertainers and purveyors of boutique soaps who style themselves “Dr.” or “Doc”: “Dr. Bronner,” for example, or “Doc Watson.” 

Now, Doc, that's a name no one would self-apply where I come from. We all know what an actual doctor is, which is why we respect them. An EdD or PhD would be arrested for attempting what real doctors can do, e.g., give you drugs, cut you open, or see you naked. 

But here again, this isn't my point. Let's put it this way: my son, who is 15 years old, watches Prager U videos as part of his homeschooling. As such, he knows more about political philosophy, or the Constitution, or the history of the Middle East, or the reality of sexual differences, or basic economics, or race, than I did in 1988, when I became a fully credentialed idiot.

Supposing we could beam my son back to 1988 and engage the old me in debate, he would easily trounce me. But would I have recognized my humiliation at the hands of a mere teen? 

No. Way. I would have presumed to correct him at every turn, no doubt adopting my best superior tone while gently mocking his naiveté -- or, more likely, arrogantly steamrolling it. Even imagining the exchange actually makes me a bit nauseous.

There but for the grace of God grew I.

Along these lines, I want to pick up where we left off in the previous post, because it touches on a fundamental principle of human psychology of which I was totally ignorant in 1988 -- after having been certified as a Doctor of the subject on the way to being a licensed Healer of Souls! The thought of which makes me a bit more nauseous.

A Catholic Christian Meta-Model of the Person reminds us that the term fall is "a conceptual metaphor" signifying "an ontological change in humanity." This change redounds to "the loss of an original state" of -- in our words -- freely chosen conformity to the divine principle and person.

Now, this seems like a pretty important piece of information to leave out. Sure, you could say this is just a crazy Christian theory, but believe me, we learned plenty of other crazy theories from behaviorism at one end to Freudianism at the other and existential psychology in between. 

What else do these boys (in the CC M-M of the P) have to say about the subject? 

Every worldview and value system has an account of the origin and extent of human weakness and disorder.  

Quite true, except it is often implicit. But everyone can see that there's something wrong with the humans. For the Marxist it is private property. For the critical race theorist it is whiteness. For the feminist it is men. For Democrats it is Trump.

When I completed graduate school, I would have no doubt pointed to the ins, outs, and what-have-yous of childhood attachment. I suppose I still do, but in a much wider and deeper psycho-spiritual context. 

For example, I wouldn't have recognized homeschooling as such a critical prolongation of this process. But this is precisely why my 15 year old son could trounce his 32 year old father in a debate.

Some more critical information from the book: the principle of fallenness accounts for a dis-ordering of four particular human capacities:

(a) reason remains wounded by ignorance and in need of the virtue of practical wisdom; (b) the will remains wounded by malice and in need of the virtue of justice; (c) the emotions related to the good that is difficult to reach or the evil that is difficult to avoid remain wounded by our weakness and in need of the virtue of fortitude; and (d) the emotions related to attraction to a good or repulsion of something that is evil remain wounded by disordered desire and in need of the virtue of temperance or moderation.  

So when we say that man is fallen, we can point to certain evident consequences, i.e., the relative absence of prudence, justice, fortitude, and temperance; man as we find him is more or less imprudent, unjust, weak-willed (or willful), and intemperate. And a real doctor of psychology would assist the patient in precisely these dimensions. 

Now, as alluded to in the second paragraph, a higher education in general should at least help to actualize a bit of our human potential in these same areas. I suppose it does, in that it renders its beneficiaries as temperate as a Paul Krugman, as prudent as a Cornell West, as just as a Karl Marx, and as brave your average college dean.  

28 comments:

julie said...

I would have presumed to correct him at every turn, no doubt adopting my best superior tone while gently mocking his naiveté -- or, more likely, arrogantly steamrolling it. Even imagining the exchange actually makes me a bit nauseous.

Heh. Reminds me of an actual conversation with my early-20-something niece a decade or so ago. She was wrong, but I made the mistake of saying something like, "you are young, you'll have a different understanding when you're older." Might as well have told her to calm down. Any headway I might have made went right out the window.

Anonymous said...

Hello Dr. Godwin, nice post as usual.

One section of the post was a bit hard to understand: "A Catholic Christian Meta-Model of the Person reminds us that the term fall is "a conceptual metaphor" signifying "an ontological change in humanity." This change redounds to "the loss of an original state" of -- in our words -- freely chosen conformity to the divine principle and person."

Can you translate this into something plainer to help this reader? That would be helpful.

I would agree man is fallen, but the reasons behind the fall and the purpose of the fall are open to conjecture.

I would forward an aphorism which is possibly true: "Everything happens for a reason."

So my curiosity revolves around not so much as to the how and when and where of the fall of man, but rather the most reduced theory of why there is man and why is man at so much risk to fall.

I've heard it said man falls due to his own weakness, and I do buy that, but this is hard to understand in terms of the aphorism "Everything happens for a reason." You could further examine man's weakness and ask the question "why is man so weak?"

Now the ancients have weighed in on this copiously, but lets leave all that aside and see what we can come up with independently of that.

So the question would be, why is man prone to falling? I give it to the floor.

-I am a Trump supporter with a Graduate Degree who literally cannot think her way out of a paper bag. Help.

Nicolás said...

There is an illiteracy of the soul that no diploma cures.

Nicolás said...

Nobody will ever induce me to absolve human nature, because I know myself.

Anonymous said...

Nicolas, you don't have to absolve human nature; I vouch for you. You are absolved, sir. Your foul nature is not your fault. I hope you feel relieved.

Now let us consider the gibbon (hylobates sp.).

The smallest of the great apes, the gibbon travels high above the ground, brachiating from branch to branch skillfully, and seldom falls. She eats fruits and nuts offered by the trees, and does not kill beast nor plant to satisfy her modest appetite. Gibbon scat nourishes plants and has a slightly floral aroma.

Gibbons sing love duets to each other at dawn each day. They do not seek intoxicating chemicals, they do not lie, cheat, murder, or steal; they do not fornicate, they do not commit adultery. They are free of sin.

In summary, the gibbon is not fallen physically nor morally in any way; gibbon nature is pure and without stain.

Contrast the human being (homo sapiens); she walks upon the ground, yet finds occasion to fall and break the pelvis or hip with some regularity. She rips into the flesh of other creatures with gusto, and deposits behind her mushy, foul-smelling feces. Her gluttony often causes her to become fat.

The human being will seek out and use intoxicants; commit murder; fornicate; commit adultery; lie; cheat; steal; covet the neighbor; and produce works of monumental ugliness.

This comparison between gibbon and human being is a stunning contrast. Two hominids with such a disparity of nature. What are we to make of this? What in the name of God is going on here?

I would submit that if you would blame humanity for its foul nature then you must also attribute to the gibbon her fair nature. We should be asking dame gibbon, how do you do it?

But we don't do that, do we? On some level we must know our nature is out of our hands.

I open the floor for comments.

Nicolás said...

Man is an animal that imagines itself to be Man

ted said...

Nicolás mike dropping all over the place.

"Kids, don't forget to smash that like button for good old Nic"

Anonymous said...

Ted, for gosh sakes. Nicolas made an ineffectual rebuttal. Smash that like button to support ineffectuality? You go right ahead.

And please recall I am a Trump supporter, not some leftist yahoo.

With that inquiry regarding human nature we debouch into metaphysical territory where no one has the answers, so there won't be any further comments on that. I suspected as much.

Surrender, surrender, but don't give yourself away (Cheap Trick).

What sin will you inadvertently perpetrate today? Because try as you might, you can't help it. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

NOW we drop the mic. Hit that like button for good old Rita, Meter Maid.

Nicolás said...

One who does not share our repugnance does not understand our ideas.

ted said...

OMG, you're a Trump supporter. Time to ban all anonymous.

Gagdad Bob said...

He certainly doesn't smell like a Trump supporter.

Anonymous said...

As Christian American citizens we should accept that we're all sinners, and that when we storm the capitol building with Nazis, that the devil made us do it and the end times shall save us.

Gagdad Bob said...

Wednesday's mob was worse than a riot. It was an outrageous cultural appropriation from the left.

Anonymous said...

Do you check under your bed for the left before you go to sleep each night?

So, the problem isn’t that:

• The president tried to illegally overturn an election that he fairly lost and has made ridiculous claims that he won by millions of votes (which he or anyone else has even presented an iota of evidence for)
• The one of the 3 branches of government of this country was breached by violent rioters
• He tried to force election officials to engage in fraud to support his fraudulent claims
• He incited the mob which attacked the capital
• While the capital was being attacked, his only concerns were how to continue to steal the election and that the rioters didn’t look high class enough. He said ""We love you, you're very special."
• He was too stupid to recognize the seriousness of what he unleashed
• He has convinced enough stupid people who don’t have the ability of rational thought that he is right and deserved to win the election
• He threw is vice president under the bus when he wouldn’t engage in illegal activities to try to overturn the election (which wouldn’t have succeeded anyway) and didn’t complain when his “protesters” were chanting to hang the VP
• Etc…

The real problem is how the left performed “cultural appropriation”. Wow! You certainly have your pulse on the real issues in this country.

If you want to do a tiny bit of forward thinking… if things like this are allowed to continue, that could threaten democracy. Any candidate that looses can simply claim otherwise and override the will of the people. Is that what you want? What if the next time it happens it isn’t someone as glorious as Dear Leader, Trump?

Of course you still won’t address any facts and have never provided any facts to back up your factually bereft statement about a rigged election and you won’t refute some of the more stupid and dangerous things that Trump keeps on saying including how he won the election by millions of votes. Just more impotent quips and slogans and deflection tactics when confronted with facts (i.e. it doesn't matter that Trump did ABC, the leftists did XYZ).

Damn, you and your cheerleading sycophants are a whiny bunch. All you do is whine moan about the left and cheer on Trump regardless of what horrible things he does. Luckily the opinion of you and your cheering sycophants doesn’t have any weight and you lost. Trump will not be president on Jan 20.

Biden is not likely to be a particularly good president, but anyone is better than someone who has tried to overturn our democracy. Hopefully the country will get over this ugly period and the damage to democracy won't be too great.

Nicolás said...

In a century where the public media divulge infinite stupidities the cultured man is not defined by what he knows but by what he ignores.

Gagdad Bob said...

In the same week, the left has changed its tune and come out against mob violence and in favor of accepting election results. Progress!

Anonymous said...

Wednesday's mob was worse than a riot. It was an outrageous cultural appropriation from the left.

Hardly. Unless you consider "governing as a moderate republican" (Obama) a leftist. It's a cultural appropriation from the plutocratic elites who believe that they're the only sane ones who deserve to have power. Including the power to brainwash. Or failing that, obfuscate.

Anonymous said...

In the same week, the left has changed its tune and come out against mob violence and in favor of accepting election results. Progress!

Apparently "the left" now includes Lindsay Graham and Mitt Romney. Lots of fun videos coming from airports.

So what's it like marching with Nazis and authoritarian fascists? I'm having a hard time finding videos of good and decent "patriots" who were there discrediting them. Think this is gonna help spread Jesus' word?

Anonymous said...

To be clear: we will not allow conservatives to get away with appropriating our leftist culture of mob violence.

Anonymous said...

And no, Twitter, Google, and Facebook are NOT authoritarian plutocrats who believe they're the only sane ones who deserve to have power. Censorship is free speech and thought control is the new liberation.

Every Leftist Ever said...

Riots are the voice of the voiceless!

Anonymous said...

Dominion Voting Systems has filed a major defamation lawsuit against Sidney Powell. My prediction: the judge or jury is gonna get death threats, from Christians.


As for big tech freedom of speech, conservatives dictated that businesses are free to regulate themselves at will. Not to mention grow as monopolistically large as they want. I'm not sure that "blame the left" will work anymore. Not with the un-brainwashed masses that is.

Cousin Dupree said...

Can we change subjects? I've had enough of Bob vs. a 15 Year Old.

Anonymous said...

"In a century where the public media divulge infinite stupidities the cultured man is not defined by what he knows but by what he ignores."

Like reality and truth? You will never address facts that go against Trump or address facts; just inanities about the evil left whenever confronted with inconvenient truths. Something very serious happened to our country this week which damaged our democracy and you won't address any what happened other that to blame the reaction of those who don't agree with you. Just fear of the leftist boogeyman. Someone who only deflects and refuses to objectively look at both sides of a story has no credibility. You will never look at a situation objectively - you need to find some way to blame anything bad on the "left" which is nothing more than a meaningless label as you use it. I'm not a psychologist, but there may be something a psychologist could discern from that pattern of behavior.

And as another anonymous noted, this isn't a democrat/republican thing or left/right thing. It is a wrong/right thing. There are the spineless republicans who will support Trump regardless of what he does to protect their personal interests. There are plenty that see what happened for what it is and have said enough is enough. In this case, right (vs wrong) won. Keep on doing what you are doing if you want to eliminate democracy and risk a future dictatorship.

Gagdad Bob said...

I get it: you want this blog to be about your preoccupations, but it isn't.
However, I've heard rumors that the internet is full of blogs where you can argue with people all day long if you want. You should check them out.

Cousin Dupree said...

Before google censors them.

Anonymous said...

Hello Panel:

Things got a little heated there, so let's switch gears.

I'll address the content of the post, which alludes to the blog author's teenage son as being more knowledgeable than his father was as a youth.

The take-home point was the educational system failed the blog author; he feels like he was betrayed and sold short. What should have been an expansion of his horizons, morphed into a morally and factually bankrupt brain-washing.

The good news is this education did not succeed in destroying his mind, and now he is taking care his child steers clear of the educational system.

My own experiences partially corroborate the post. I am elderly, so I got an old-school early education which I don't have any complaints about. The capital city of Indonesia? Kuala Lumpur. Twelve times twelve? 144. This type of learning trucked in facts and formed a sturdy base.

High school was lost because I became delinquent (an education of a different kind).

I then spent years in the salt-mines, figuratively speaking, returning to college in the 1990's. Whoa daddy-things had gotten weird. By then I had my street-smarts on me, and I could tell when BS was flying, and holy shit was it ever flying.

Underwater basket-weaving? Yeah, there was a course for that. The humanities were bat-gauno crazy.

I got Graduate degree in English Literature because I liked to read novels.

I read all the classics, the Iliad, the Odyssey, Beowulf, Chaucer, all the Romantic Poets, all of the Elizabethan playwrights including Spencer, all of the tracts by Marx, Frye, Darwin, Bacon, Pope, great Russian writers like Dostoyevsky and Chekov, much of the best poetry and literature the world had to offer, this I read. And a brisk romp through all of the critical theories was had as well.

I read great American novelists such as Hawthorne and Melville, great statesmen including Lincoln and Benjamin Franklin (I recommend the Autobiography), and the Transcendentalists including Emerson and Thoreau.

I read psychology greats including Skinner, Freud, James, Maslow and Erickson.

I read Mein Kampf.

I wrote my BA thesis on the Conrad's Heart of Darkness, and my MA on Native Son.

I don't mean to bore. I get carried away, so glorious was my college education. And yes, they tried to make me a leftist and I brushed them off as if they were ticks. The grandeur of the subject material simply spoke for itself. I hardly needed a professor although I enjoyed listening to the interpretations.

So I have a rosy view of education. I can see the point of the blog author. Yes, the leftists came at me. They did not get me.

-Lit Buff

Anonymous said...

Ted, Gagdad, pack your bags and buy your tickets because you're both going to Washington DC for the Inauguration. This is an all-hands-on-deck action, so you can't sit this one out.

Please advise on status of your plans daily.

Thank you, Q

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