Monday, October 28, 2019

Less is More, More is Less

As usual, an improvised post that is recommended to no one and not recommended to anyone.

Let's go back to the essay we were discussing a couple of posts back, on What Sincerity Is and What It Is Not. First of all, what is it?

Just spiritballing it here, but it seems to me that it would constitute an alignment between one's surface and depth (itself an acknowledgment of vertical degrees of human being-ness). We all have a "social self," or surface ego, with which we get through the day; and a more personal self which we share with others along degrees of intimacy. There are a few people in our lives with whom we can let it all hang out, and others with whom we must more or less tuck it in.

For example, living in a deep blue precinct of California, I must be extremely selective in revealing my scarlet (R) letter, just as a Jew living in Nazi Germany would have been ill-advised to advertise his religion. Am I comparing Nazi Germany to California? Of course I am. For the former is to the latter as psychosis is to neurosis, or as vivid is to subtle. I don't start from the principle that everyone is sane; rather, with the principle that everyone is more or less deranged in some way or to some degree.

Now, no one is more sincere than the sincerely crazy person. Generally, the more crazy the more sincere. But the same can be said of stupidity and ignorance. The more intelligent one is, the more qualifications, reservations, and exceptions one will have, at least in the great middle area between metaphysics above and empirical sensation below. (Remind me to get back to my as-of-yet unwritten post on Spiritual Dunning-Kruger Syndrome, whereby the most ignorant know the most, whether the D-K victim is religious or secular.)

In other words, there are principles at the top that cannot not be; and there are experiences at the bottom that are what they are. For example, right now I'm feeling this keyboard in front of me. Although a wholly contingent experience, it nevertheless partakes of a kind of absoluteness, because it is absolutely and undeniably happening.

In general, the problem with any form of empiricism, rationalism, or materialism is that it covertly (and absolutely) elevates the relative to the absolute. While it is true that "what is, is," it really depends upon the meaning of "is."

That is, you can't deny the irreducible isness of the subject up front, and then use it to affirm the fundamental isness of the object. Rather, once you eliminate the former, then nothing can be said of the latter. So, "He who does not believe in God can at least have the decency of not believing in himself" (NGD). It's just common courtesy.

Regarding those qualifications and exceptions pertaining to the vast middle area of the cosmos, I have arranged the following aphorisms in stepwise fashion so as to arrive at the final point:

1: Anyone can learn what it is possible to know, but knowing it intelligently is within the reach of few.

2: It is not the one who answers the questions, but the one who complicates them, who knows the subject.

3: As long as we can respond without hesitating we do not know the subject.

4: That which is incomprehensible increases with the growth of the intelligence.

5: To mature is to comprehend that we do not comprehend what we had thought we comprehended.

6: Erudition has three grades: the erudition of him who knows what an encyclopedia says, the erudition of him who writes what an encyclopedia says, and the erudition of him who knows what an encyclopedia does not know how to say.

7: We do not know anything perfectly except what we do not feel capable of teaching.

Therefore, it seems that who knows the most says the least. I know what you're thinking: Bob, you are SO BUSTED, with exhibit A consisting of the millions of words you have inflicted upon us over the past 14 years.

And I plead NOT GUILTY, first, because I said long ago that I only blog for myself while permitting others to look in on the process if they care to do so; and I have never once posed as a teacher. As always, I never recommend the blog to anyone. Rather, I only offer it. I have no control over the rest.

But am I sincere? Yes, I can promise you that. I would never knowingly lie or mislead, because the stakes are too high. Why pretend that you can lie to the one person to whom it is impossible to lie, i.e., God? Rather, one must approach God with total sincerity, i.e., with a perfect alignment of heart, soul, and mind; or will, sentiment, and intellect; or virtue, truth, and beauty; etc. The whole existentialada. Leave nothing out. Schuon:

man must firstly "unite himself with God" in his heart, secondly "contemplate God" in his soul, and thirdly "accomplish in God" with his hands and through his body.

Doctrine, method, will. Or truth, way, freedom. You can hand someone the truth on a silver platter, and even show him the way, but he is always free to reject it. Scratch this person and you will always find pride -- the pride of Genesis 3 All Over Again. Conversely, humility is both a cause and effect of approaching God, in that the more we know of what infinitely surpasses us, the less we know, until finally we know nothing about everything and can't possibly explain how we can be so full of it.

17 comments:

julie said...

I don't start from the principle that everyone is sane; rather, with the principle that everyone is more or less deranged in some way or to some degree.

Yes. Yes they are.

Anonymous said...

And none of us, of course.

julie said...

Speak for yourself. I know I'm a nut. Most of the time, I manage to keep a lid on it.

Mostly.

Nicolas said...

Men are divided into two camps: those who believe in original sin and those who are idiots.

Anonymous said...

This is a great post on sincerity and describes the process of becoming wiser over time, and how wisdom breeds an increasing humility.

Here's a question for the crew. What is the desired endpoint of a life? What is the most you can expect to accomplish? As you live out your final few conscious moments before death, what would it take for you to be able to say "Score! That went great!"

Another: What is the single most important challenge to surmount before you die?

Think it over and write a comment, keeping sincerity foremost in mind.

-Hidden Cranny

Anonymous said...

To whit Julie:

Men are divided into two camps: those who believe in original sin and those who are idiots.

So we no longer use the term "lost" anymore? I looked it up. Jesus never went around calling people "deranged idiots" to get them to follow him.

By its very nature, faith-based reasoning exercises the rationalizing muscles. Logic instead, requires emotional discipline especially when painful thoughts are involved. The latter follows the principle that simply declaring a thing to be true, does not magically make it true.

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Hidden Cranny,
It seems the goal is to rationalize their particular faith by proclaiming outsiders to be deranged idiots, instead of simply, humbly describing how their faith has enhanced the quality of their own lives. I do miss the old days.

julie said...

I didn't quote master Nicolas, but he speaks for me.

You are correct, Christ didn't go around calling people idiots, he was much harsher than that. "Brood of Vipers," "Whited sepulchers," "evildoers," etc. He essentially called a woman who wanted his help a dog, which if memory serves was something of a "racist" epithet back then. He whipped people and threw over tables.

Jesus isn't nice.

He called one of his best friends Satan. Further, near as I can tell he never went around "getting people to follow him;" rather, some were specifically called - and called out for their sins - while most others followed him simply by virtue of who he was and what he did. Towards the end, he spent as much time getting away from the crowds in order to pray and reflect as he spent being mobbed by hopeful people looking to be miraculously healed and fed. Not to mention riling up the pharisees only to disappear just when they were ready to seize and kill him.

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If you think faith doesn't require reason and emotional discipline, then perhaps you don't know as much about faith as you think.

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If you're looking for witness as to the work of Christ in someone's life, you may or may not find that here, but this isn't really that kind of place, most of the time. There are roughly a gazillion sites where you can find such uplifting content, (which is lovely, and sometimes just what is needed). I'd also recommend, for a more personal experience, finding a good local Bible study group. BSF has some great studies on offer, and has a program that fosters the development of strong Christian communities. Your local churches very likely have programs as well. You can learn a tremendous amount, discover new friends, and see God's work in your life and the lives of your study group members. I highly recommend it for anyone seeking to deepen their understanding of God and faith.

River Cocytus said...

I think the "Gospel of Nice" had its sufficient treatment in the book "That Hideous Strength".

Dougman said...

Julie, great comments!

I could testify to being lifted of an awful depression at a time when I was suffering for the truth.
The hell was gone in a fraction of a second after having a complete breakdown.
Testimony is not going to be taken as evidence to closed minds though.

River Cocytus said...

A careful reading of the Gospels shows that Christ didn't like the crowds much, but did show pity on them since they were a mass of men misled by poor leaders.

Few seem to recognize that, for example, the "Sermon on the Mount" (and that "on the Plain" in Luke) were not addressed to the crowds; Tolstoy would have done well to read his gospel less sloppily. Much of the words we see spoken both by Christ and his Apostles are not directed to all men, but to those initiated into the faith (or seeking such initiation;) such is the distinction made between the parables (riddles given to the faithless which trip them up unless they should decide to show faith) and the 'open teaching' of the explanation of the parables. The "Our Father" prayer used to be prayed after the non-initiated were shuffled out of the church and the doors were closed; much trickery is done by the demons in making people believe that anyone can say God is their Father.

Even that soft impression passes over to Christian singing -- too slow, too muddy, a pop sensibility, in other places unwillingness to place the text before the music so we who pray with the singer hear and can understand the words -- we either get modernism (a love of mere newness) or kitschy traditionalism (a love of the merely old.)

And here we have people claiming we ought to be more humble! Yet, if the Gospel is true, those who read it and twist it like Tolstoy, if they are not wicked, are certainly deranged idiots. I do think derangement is in fact listed by one of the monastic fathers as a passion of the soul, so don't take it personally.

Anonymous said...

Hello All:

Julie, to call lost and benighted souls "deranged idiots" seems out of character for you. As you know, and have amply demonstrated, the effectiveness of evangelism depends on an approach that showcases Christ's love. So....have you drifted off the path of righteousness a smidge? I give you a loving rebuke to put your feet back upon your pure path. Stay the course, do not try to emulate others who misbehave.

Thank you for your detailed comment, River C. You wrote, in part "...much trickery is done by the demons in making people believe that anyone can say God is their Father."

Trickery of demons? Is not God every person's Father? Whom else if not God? Please explain.

Heed this, all. If you want to be a Christian, be a good Christian. I say to the disciples of Jesus: Do not embarrass your Master. Meditate before making assertions.

-Dewey Mound

Anonymous said...

So Christ was about tough love.

Can anybody reconcile this with Matthew 19:21, or Luke 12:33?

Anonymous said...

I'll need to revise my 10/30/2019 12:56:00 PM comment. My bad.

Can any of you deranged idiots, vipers and evildoers reconcile this with Matthew 19:21, or Luke 12:33?

River Cocytus said...

@dewey: review who Christ says the unbelieving Jews have as their father. It's not God. The Lord's Prayer is not a philosophical revelation. (The only one to have God as his father naturally is the Son; the rest of us only gain this by adoption. We are the sons of Adam, a broken family.)

@anon: sounds like tough love to me! But this command is, as he says, not for everyone. Ask the monastics.

Anonymous said...

Jesus isn't nice.

So my Jesus picture hanging in my dining room isn't accurate then. It'd be the one where he calmly hovers behind two innocent children on their way to school suggesting divine protection.

That being wrong, maybe he's something between cool gangsta and mad niggerish, with a bit of young Bernie Sanders honest geek thrown in. That'd make him a semi-ethnic looking tough guy with a bit of Brooklyn misanthrope nerdiness. Be like that spiritual somebody who gets sent to a screwed up planet way out in the middle of nowhere to die for a bunch of sinful retards, but since it's God doing the sending you better do his will or else.

Jesus never married, but I don't think that should be enough to get any of our more 'sexually flexible' friends excited. Please send this new information to the dining room art artists.

Anonymous said...

Hello All:

The sexual orientation of Jesus will never be known. We presume he had a set of swinging clackers on his undercarriage secreting testosterone in the usual fashion. He apparently was able to brush off any urges arising from this. Was he gay? It is possible.

River Cocytus said...
@dewey: review who Christ says the unbelieving Jews have as their father. It's not God. The Lord's Prayer is not a philosophical revelation. (The only one to have God as his father naturally is the Son; the rest of us only gain this by adoption. We are the sons of Adam, a broken family.

River, to be clear, Adam the Son of God is the Father of all persons, making God a Grandfather with a long series of great, greats tagged in front of it. For anyone to say God is their Father is roughly accurate, as well as asserting God is their Mother.
Recall, River, there is only God. There is literally nothing else in existence but God.

No matter what the Bible may say, or even Jesus, them there is the facts.

-Soft Pocket

River Cocytus said...

@anon

Humans are not divine, so they do not have God as their father. Jesus is divine (being the godman) and so has God as his Father.

Crossing your wires between metaphor and definition is a sign of dunning-krieger, sir. One could metaphorically call God man's father, in that he bears his image and is created by him, but man does not share God's nature and so is, by any accurate definition, not his son.

"Our Father" as a prayer refers to the adoption that happens through the Son; we may as well call God every man's everything since all comes from him originally, but this is avoiding the obvious fact (a schizoid response) of a division - Adam is only the Son of God in metaphor and we are Sons of Adam (not by metaphor.)

In any case, if we're the 'grandchildren' of God because Adam was the 'son of God' we've already allowed one level of geneology, which means we must allow them all. That then dilutes our descent beyond belief - too many to count - we may as well call ourselves descendents of stardust for all it matters.

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