Tuesday, September 03, 2019

Face the Facts: No God, No Persons

For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.

In this famous passage, Paul gets to the heart of what it means to be seen and re-cognized, and therefore to have one's being -- one's humanness -- validated and made real. Made real, as in

God exists for me in the same act in which I exist.

And Love is the act that transforms its object from a thing into a person (NGD).

God, love, person, existence, transformation. All are fundamentally related.

In the book I referenced yesterday, Vision and Separation, the author writes that

The "space" of self-consciousness is a secondary development within the field of consciousness. It arises when the subject (the child) becomes aware of the looking of the object. It is the space within which the person looks at himself through the eyes of the other.

I often speak of consciousness as interface, or inter-face. This is to emphasize that both consciousness and self-consciousness, and the symbols that mediate these experiences, only arise between faces, in other words, in an interpersonal setting, within which relations between persons... are formative.

In fact, infant observation studies have been conducted in which mothers maintain a deadpan expression, but otherwise respond normally to their infant in every way. As you might imagine, the infants quickly become visibly distressed. They are literally dis-oriented, since the mother's face is not only the center of their universe, but their primary means of managing their own internal states.

In other words, the child looks to the mother to "know what's going on," both outside and "inside," in the emotional world. Without the mOther, the child is submerged in unintelligible experience, much like a crybullying snowflake college student who lashes out at projected fragments of unmetabolized emotional experience.

Like any other system, the facial recognition system -- in which we feel the need to be recognized by other faces -- can go awry. For example, pathological narcissism essentially revolves around an exaggerated or even bottomless need for human mirroring in order to fill a deficit inside.

The problem here is that the narcissistic mirroring doesn't reach to the level of being, but only touches a superficial "false self" unconsciously constructed by the narcissist. This means that the narcissist is actually in control of the process, and isn't truly "giving" or exposing his true self to the other. That would be too risky.

One can understand why so many narcissists gravitate toward entertainment, politics, and media, since these are an ideal way to submit a false self to a bunch of anonymous faces for validation.

But deep down the narcissist has a well-founded contempt for the loser who would idealize him, of all people, so he has some dim unconscious recognition that he is filling himself with psychic junk food. It tends to become addictive, since you can never get enough of what you don't really need.

I recently read a book called Mimesis and Science, which goes into some of the latest research on the centrality of the Face in human development. One author compares it to a force of attraction, much like gravity, except operating in interior space:

That natural force of cohesion, which alone grants access to the social, to language, to culture, and indeed to humanness itself, is simultaneously mysterious and obvious, hidden in and of itself, but dazzling in its effects -- like gravity and the attraction of corporeal masses in Newtonian space.

If gravity did not exist, life on earth would be impossible. Similarly, if this remarkable force that attracts human beings to one another, that unites them... -- if this force did not exist, there would be no humanity.

Yup. Makes one wonder if the physics of gravity is posterior to the physics of love, a la Dante, who speaks of ultimate reality as the love that moves the sun and other stars.

In the same canto, he describes a barely effable vision of circles, one of which seemed reflected by the second, / as rainbow is by rainbow, and a third, which is like fire breathed equally by those two circles. And then

I searched that strange light: I wished to see / the way in which our human effigy / suited the circle and found a place in it.

Back to Mimesis and Science:

from the very start, psychological actuality is found between individuals.... The self and the other are thus bound together in a fundamental way at the point of origin by a tie that is ontological and existential....

The genesis of the self cannot take place except by the mediation of the other and simultaneously with the other in a process of differentiation that is gradual and reciprocal.

I'm sure this is why For God there are only individuals (DNC); and why, conversely, without God, there could be no individuals.

25 comments:

julie said...

The self and the other are thus bound together in a fundamental way at the point of origin by a tie that is ontological and existential....

Reminds of quantum entanglement.

One can understand why so many narcissists gravitate toward entertainment, politics, and media, since these are an ideal way to submit a false self to a bunch of anonymous faces for validation.

I was recently talking to someone who had not yet made the connection between her own projected self and the projected other selves she sees on social media. All she shares is the mask that she wants other people to see; then she sees everyone else doing the same, but mistakes that for their reality. Ironically, I know her life is most in shambles when she posts the happiest images.

Christina M said...

This is one of the posts that reminds me of the memory of the lightbulb going on in my head and the realization that there was a world outside of me. It was a very good, very early memory.

My mom offered me a doll collection recently, and I adamantly turned it down, because, first of all, it was not my doll collection, and secondly, I never had a doll collection because I do not like dolls. I have come to realize that I do not like anything that has a human or human-like face that is not human. It's why I don't like robots or clowns, or masks, or those figurines with no facial features. It's also why trans people freak me out too, because they do not have the right face. I can not be fooled. If someone gives me even a picture of a person with no facial features, the first thing I will do is fill in the facial features. My husband put a box of dog biscuits on the kitchen shelf in such a way that I would see the photo of the dog on the box. The dog had human teeth. The minute I saw the photo, I blacked out the whole dog face with a Sharpie. My husband said, "That didn't take long."

Gagdad Bob said...

I remember reading somewhere that we are innately creeped out by the humanoid-but-not-quite human. It explains the effect that Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, or Hillary Clinton have upon us. They're so close to human, it's haunting.

Gagdad Bob said...

Interestingly, we don't have the same experience with animals that are human-like.

julie said...

That's something I don't understand about a lot of plastic surgery - so often it takes a normal-looking person and turns them into a bizarre, plastic-looking semblance of a human with ridiculous lips, overstretched shiny skin, and weird cat eyes. But it doesn't look good.

Anonymous said...

We had a creepy clown prank fad around here. As with Ed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_52oEQ70Frs
a few were arrested and one got punched in the head. My neighbor the legit kids party clown wasn't happy about that fad and threatened to shoot one.

Christina M said...

Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi...*shudder* I call them the peeled faces. I'm assuming it's the plastic surgery and injections. I couldn't believe it when I saw doctors around here offering "injection parties." I wouldn't trust any doctor who offers such things, and I don't for one second, believe that botulism toxin does't cross the blood-brain membrane.

Christina M said...

Hillary Clinton is in a whole catagory of horror all by herself and from what I've read it attacks all your senses at once.

Christina M said...

Yesterday,after I read your post and made my first comment, I had a flood of good early memory moments....sitting behind a neighbor's juniper bush while playing hide and seek, eating juniper berries, and being filled with wonder, that I was even here at all. I have no idea how I knew that.

Anonymous said...

After a pretty good childhood (albeit with the occasional bully who usually wound up getting theirs), I began running into the occasional narcissist and psychopath.

I’ve known narcissists. They demand power, then to be worshiped while being in power. Different from true psychopaths because they have just enough insecurity to psychologically need to always be told who’s the boss. Psychopaths just want the power with any means/ends they use to get it only ever being a ruse.

N/P power is different from all the humanists, scientists, Popes, corporate overlords... who want power for whatever ends floats their particular boats. But the power centers they create for (what they usually believe are) legitimate reasons, will attract narcissists and psychopaths like moths to a flame.

The road to hell that's paved with good intentions, is the one that gets detoured.

Sometimes it takes power to eliminate pathological power (Hitler, Saddam, al Qaeda... remember those?). Therein lies the difficulty. Which kind of power is the good kind? Who are the good guys?

Dougman said...

Truth loving individuals.

Christina M said...

Doug Saxum and your glib sock puppet. What's up with the multi-personaed sockpuppets? What's up with carrying on conversations with yourself? Are you a nihilistic ****poster?

julie said...

I don't think Doug is the anon, Christina.

Anonymous said...

You got me. Everybody here is my sock puppet. It's really just you and I here Christina M.

Now please tell us more about your childhood.

Dougman said...

Stop messing with minds.

Dougman said...

I'm not any of the annoying anonymous commenters.
Dougman is the only other name I use.

Dougman said...

Thank you Julie!
Always a pleasure 'seeing' you :◇)

Anonymous said...

Stirring the pot is important. I know people who know everything. They're really good at screwing things up then blaming somebody else. This seems wrong to me.

Christina M said...

If I am wrong, I will surely apologize. I do not, at this time, believe I am wrong. Sorry, Julie. I am aware that it is impossible to prove a negative. I'm aware that I may have slandered Doug Saxum. I have knowingly put myself in a position to be shamed. I'm sticking with what my intuition has loudly said.

I have my reasons.

Anonymous said...

Why are other viewpoints wrong, Christina M?

Bob speaks of crybullying snowflake college students who lash out at projected fragments of unmetabolized emotional experiences. Maybe. I would tend to agree, if these were times where the future was so bright that the saner kids were wearing shades. I can recall times like that. Nobody crybully snowflaked it, since they’d be considered crybaby snowflakes.

But here we are today. There are many Youtube videos about all the ways humanity will be ending itself quite soon. I saw a List25 video called “Frightening Signs The End Of The World Is Near”. Almost made me want to turn crybully snowflake. I promised myself to avoid watching such things in the future, since I have enough to deal with as it is.

The last major college kid angsty phase was those drug addled hippies railing against The Man. Maybe it really was just projecting fragments of unmetabolized emotional experiences. But then, that also was the first generation in human history which had to grow up with nuclear missiles pointed at them. So there was that.

Anonymous said...

Hello Dr. Godwin, panel. Good to see lively discussion going on in the comments section. Although, it is less of a discussion than competing opinions offered up. Nonetheless, this is dialogue, and that is good.

Christina accused Doug, an upstanding fellow, of being in cahoots with the sock-puppet gang. I will confirm Doug is not.

Dr. Godwin's post was an interesting one, dealing with faces and their central importance. It is a fresh take, fascinating.

You're suspicions regarding Hiliary are well founded. A review of Hiliary's birth certificate reveals a date of manufacture, not a date of birth. Further inquiry indicated she was assembled in Lansing, Michigan, from parts imported from California, and then she was transported to Little Rock AK and was there powered up and made operational. She is of the early MG series of cyborgs. The MG series are very reliable, with relatively low maintenance costs. She would have made a fine President as such. I'm sure Bill is satisfied with her.

An analysis of Nancy P's mouth swab reveals about 50% non-human DNA present. The profile indicated the maternal DNA came from a rare subspecies of Sasquatch found only in the Midwest. Spy cam imagaes of NP's unclothed body showed she has a pretty thick pelt, and is obliged to shave and depilate areas of her body exposed to public view. I don't think this finding suggest she is not fit to do her job well, on the contrary this might make her extra feisty.

So Christina, what say you to that? Are you loving your sock-puppet experience here?

Regards, Sock#1

Anonymous said...

Things have pretty much fallen apart since Shari Lewis died.

First came Triumph the insult comic dog. Then came that dark period where every yahoo thought they could be a sockpuppet. So now we have sockpuppet paranoia running rampant.

Somewhere out there Lamb Chop weeps.

Christina M said...

Sockpuppets have no face and they are not human. There is no point to the verbal diarrhea that spills out of their sock mouths, and no sane person wishes to wade through the verbal diarrhea to get to the good comments.

Not liberal said...

Bob, have you ever delved into Affect Theory Its founder Silvan Tomkins was a mainstream academic psychologist.. He was all about affect (the face) as a key to understanding the development of emotions and personality.

I would be very interested in anything you have to say about it.

The good comments said...

A little more moderation would be good of course my life hasn’t exactly been one of moderation.

If you get good ratings they’ll cover you even if you’ve got nothing to say.

If you need Viagra you’re probably with the wrong girl.

I'll drink water, sometimes tomato juice which I like, sometimes orange juice which I like, I'll drink different things, but the Coke or Pepsi boosts you up a little.

Owning a great golf course gives you great power.

As far as single payer it works well in Canada it works incredibly well in Scotland.

We will build new roads and highways and bridges and airports and tunnels and railways all across our wonderful nation.

The pope I hope can only be scared by God.

Windmills are going to be the death of Scotland and even England if they don’t do something about them.

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