Monday, August 07, 2006

Israel Has No Right to Exist (8.02.10)

Last question from Sigmund, Carl and Alfred: “Why have the Jews survived? Do they really need us, or do we really need them?”

These questions are at the core of the cataclysm that is occurring in the world’s consciousness today. As I have said before, this war is not just ideological, or about power, territory, resources, or any other tangible entity. Rather, this is a war that is taking place on a deeply spiritual level within the collective consciousness of the world. You needn’t believe me when I say this. Rather, just apply it to the situation as you would any mundane academic theory and assess it’s explanatory power. In my view, the models and story lines we are given my the MSM and by the usual leftist academics are ridiculously inadequate to explain what is going on.

Israel is surrounded by enemies, both literally, in the form of her bloodthirsty Arab neighbors, but ideologically as well. Many on the left are openly questioning Israel’s right to exist, deeming it an “historical mistake” (Richard Cohen) or the source of all Muslim grievances--as if Muslims wouldn’t simply be at each others’ throats if Israel were obliterated, or as if Israel has anything to do with Muslim violence in the Philippines, Darfur, Malaysia, Canada, India, Singapore, et al.

At bottom, the conflict between Israel and her enemies is easily explainable, and yet, this simple explanation exceeds the boundaries of human reason properly so-called, since it is infra-rational in its nature and infrahuman in its consequences. In other words, the explanation is not “beyond reason” but prior to it. Quite simply, it is because the enemies of Israel are absolutely steeped in lies. They believe things about Israel that are not only untrue, but cannot possibly be true, to such an extent that the word “lie” is hardly sufficient to describe the phenomenon.

In this case we are not simply referring to “erroneous information,” or to something that is susceptible to being corrected. Rather, we are dealing with an ontological and spiritual lie that is at the foundation of the very personality--and, by extension, culture. You might even say that we are dealing with “the father of lies,” in the sense that it is a primordial lie that then perpetually generates its own lies. Therefore, it doesn’t matter how many lies you dispute on the surface, because a new one will rise to take its place. One can well understand why the Passover Haggadah--the special prayer book for the Passover Seder meal--says that "In every generation there are those who rise against us to annihilate us... " Those are always different people but representatives of the same spiritual force.

Grotesquely anti-Semitic scholarship is routinely produced by the academic left--for example deconstructed historical narratives that blame Israeli actions for the irrational hatred directed it. But this worthless scholarship does not actually prove anything to anyone, any more than ideologues such as Noam Chomsky or Howard Zinn proved that the United States was responsible for the Cold War. Rather, the only purpose of this propaganda is to serve up chicken soup for the anti-Semitic assoul. Anyone in their right mind knows that a Juan Cole is not a scholar, but that he simply fills a marketplace need for anti-Semitic “product.” In that regard he is more analogous to a pornographer, satisfying the market for anti-Jewish lust.

Let’s take the example of Mel Gibson. I don’t care about him as a person, and I have no interest in his particular case. Rather, I want to dispassionately focus more on the content of those things he uttered in his drunken rant. Where did they come from? How could such ideas even exist? But they do exist, and they have existed from the foundation of the world. It is not about the Jews, but about what the Jews represent and symbolize. Because of what they symbolize, they attract and literally generate their opposite, like a myth to defame.

“F*****g Jews... The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world." Again, not only untrue, but impossible. On the other hand, because of the thought-blocking effects of political correctness, it seems as if people are incapable of making the banal observation that Islam is quite literally responsible for almost all of the wars in the world. As Samuel Huntington observed a few years back in his Clash of Civilizations--and this was eight years ago, before the horrors that have been unleashed since 9-11--Muslims were participants in twenty-six of fifty ethnopolitical conflicts, and two-thirds to three-quarters of intercivilizational wars: "They also have had a high propensity to resort to violence in international crises, employing it to resolve 76 crises out of a total of 142" between 1928 and 1979. Huntington concluded with the colorful statement that "Islam's borders are bloody, and so are its innards.” But try saying that in a typical leftist university, and your career will be as dead as Mel Gibson’s.

Again, Israel is hated because its enemies are not just liars, but so immersed in the Lie that they might as well be demon-possessed. Consider the charter of the PLO, which reads that Zionism is a "constant source of threat" to the entire world, "racist and fanatic in its nature, aggressive, expansionist and colonial in its aims, and fascist in its methods." It is "strategically placed" to combat Arab liberation and progress. During a typically psychotic televised sermon, a Palestinian cleric taught that among the evil deeds of the Jews was the Holocaust itself, which was "planned by the Jews' leaders, and was part of their policy" (courtesy of the indispensable

Similarly, the demonic charter of Hamas informs us that wealthy Zionists have taken over "control of the world media... they stood behind World War I.... They also stood behind World War II.... They inspired the establishment of the United Nations and the Security Council... in order to rule the world by their intermediary" and "liquidate Islam." I am sure that most Americans don’t even have a clue about how desperately sick in the soul these people are--including their morally twisted allies and supporters, such as CAIR.

One wonders if the average anti-Semite even knows that there are fewer than 15 million Jews in the entire world, which represents just .227% of the population. Look at Afghanistan. It’s probably safe to assume that they are just as anti-Semitic as any other Muslim country, and yet, there is exactly one Jew living there. His name is Sy Goldberg, and he is very lonely and frightened. And yet, he has complete control of Afghan banking and media, and nobody can get a decent pastrami on rye without going through him.

In a column a few months back, Dennis Prager cited perhaps the most tragic statistic that haunts the human race. Throughout history, so many Jews have been murdered for being Jews, that “While the world's population is about 30 times larger than 2,000 years ago, the Jewish population has barely doubled. Had Jews been left alone to procreate at the same rate as others, there would be about 180 million Jews in the world today.”

“So what,” you might say. “People are people. It’s a tragedy when anyone dies.” Yes, but not all tragedies are equal in their cost to mankind. No one but their immediate families would mourn if all of the Iranian mullahs, Saudi princes, and CAIR spokesholes dropped dead tomorrow. But in a recent post, I cited the evidence of Charles Murray, whose book Human Accomplishment demonstrates how, in nearly every important human endeavor--biology, chemistry, physics, mathematics, medicine, visual arts, literature, music and philosophy--Jews are staggeringly over-represented given their small numbers. In mathematics the actual-to-expected ratio is 12:1. In philosophy it is 14:1. In physics 9:1. In medicine and biology, 8:1. Remember, these ratios are not just measuring the raw numbers of doctors, scientists and artists, but the number of truly great and significant ones.

So, what has the world lost due to its Jew hatred? Who knows? A vaccine for the AIDs that is killing tens of thousands of Africans? A key insight into the mathematical structure of the universe? A new source of energy? A cure for cancer?

Satan--or whoever is responsible for the primordial rebellion against the light--couldn’t be more pleased. Few things further his interests more than anti-Semitism.

Israel doesn't have the right to exist. Rather, it has the obligation to exist--not for her sake, but for ours. And yes, for the sake of the genocidal fanatics who wish to destroy it, for the sun shines even on the wicked. I mean, even Juan Cole and Pat Buchanan like polio vaccine, right?


Nine out of ten jejune, tendentious and crackpot psychobloggers agree:

"Failing to support Israel is not a sign of mental illness; it is a sign of ethical, moral, intellectual, legal, religious, and characterological bankruptcy, however; but thats just my opinion."


Related: Islam's Useless Idiots:

"Islam enjoys a large and influential ally among the non-Muslims: A new generation of “Useful Idiots".... This new generation of Useful Idiots also lives in liberal democracies, but serves the cause of Islamofascism—another virulent form of totalitarian ideology.

"Useful Idiots are naïve, foolish, ignorant of facts, unrealistically idealistic, dreamers, willfully in denial or deceptive. They hail from the ranks of the chronically unhappy, the anarchists, the aspiring revolutionaries, the neurotics who are at war with life, the disaffected alienated from government, corporations, and just about any and all institutions of society....

"Arguably, the most dangerous variant of the Useful Idiot is the “Politically Correct.” He is the master practitioner of euphemism, hedging, doubletalk, and outright deception.

"The Useful Idiot derives satisfaction from being anti-establishment. He finds perverse gratification in aiding the forces that aim to dismantle an existing order, whatever it may be: an order he neither approves of nor he feels he belongs to."

Read it all.


Anonymous said...

Another great post, thanks.

Anonymous said...

>> . . . this is a war that is taking place on a deeply spiritual level within the collective consciousness of the world<<

And it may also be indicative of a war "above" the human plane, one that is reflected in human action below - a war between ever-polarizing principles, which is also reflected in nature, eg., the recent record-breaking heat wave, floods, tsunami, etc. And of course, it would have to be a war reflected, which is to say, actually taking place, in every individual at this time.

I tend to think the equation is pretty simple - if there does exist a primordial evil, then of course it would attempt, throughout history, to eradicate a people chosen by the Creator to not only provide the generational "sanctuary" which would allow for the birth of a Light-bearing Savior, but who also would eventually fulfill their destiny as "priests and priestesses to the world."

We think of anti-Semitism as being "insane", which of course is true in a way. But considering the basic aim of primordial evil to destroy the Light, it's not insane at all - it makes a perfectly logical sense.

Steve said...

"Satan--or whoever is responsible for the primordial rebellion against the light--couldn’t be more pleased. Few things further his interests more than anti-Semitism."

Who do YOU think is responsible?

Mother Effingby said...

I remember reading the Master and Margarita, where Satan appears in a society which no longer believes in God. It seems we are in that society, and lacking God, we are forced to confront the hideous reality of Satan.

Anonymous said...

At Israel's inception, Israel was offered security guarantees that would have been sufficient to preclude the need for its own military. Leading Israelis balked at the idea, expressing their desire that the Jewish people finally be allowed into "the game". This game, of course, includes positions such as statesman, army general, intelligence officer, etc., all of which offer up experiences of Luciferian highs (self satisfactions) afforded by positions of power & prestige. Put another way, they wanted their society to include opportunites for its members to experience the highs of being a "bas ass" in the context of the world's chess board. The irony here though is that at the same time they were accepting their state as a divine right, or fulfillment of God's promise, they were not willing to forego ego highs for the protection of a commununity. Or, put another way, at the same time they presumed to be receiving God's gift, they insisted on using the gift to experience the dark highs of humanity.

The problems you note about Islam are the consequences of the Universe producing the combination of a Prophet/Military Conqueror. It sets up the belief now enbedded in the consciousness of red meme (spiral synamics) "believers" that militaristic behavior is inherently pleasing to God.

Anonymous said...

On the one hand, and in a vertical sense, I could not agree more. On the other hand, I wonder, in the studies that demonstrate, and of which I have no doubt whatsoever, that Jews are much more statistically likely to excel in numerous fields ( not to mention comedy and music, etc, etc), what percentage of these excellent Jews originate from the State of Israel? I somehow have to believe that it is both possible to accept your thesis and also be able to accept that terrible mistakes have been made in terms of international policy and US foreign and economic policy-in particular, US dependence on oil to run its vast industrial machine from sources who despise everything Western Civilazation is. These mistakes, of course, in no way authorize Satanic ideology, but they do nothing to vanquish it either. To me, it seems far better to retreat from the region entirely, refuse immigration to this country from the Islamic world, and let them wipe each other out. Essentially treat them as we do Cuba.

Anonymous said...

"Islam's borders are bloody, and so are its innards.” But try saying that in a typical leftist university, and your career will be as dead as Mel Gibson’s.

Western imperialism has always clashed with the muslim way of life.

Islam is not a blood-thirsty reigion hell bent on destroying the jews...
Radicalism throughout the islamic world is just a reactionary force to our aggressive policies in the middle east.

I'm starting to wonder if any of you even read the same scriptures that i do.
White, christian and jewish europeans have been invading arabic territories forever in search of their intangible 'holy land'.
But the promised land was never of soil and sand-
Its only to be found deep within the human soul.
If the jews of the world should be able to move back to their biblical homeland and expel any arabs living there, then shouldn't the north american natives be able to expel certain european immigrants from ontario, michigan, dakota, etc.? No. Because things just don't work that way. Ancient scripture should never be legal grounds for determining borders.

Being a christian neocon is as absurd as being a jewish pig farmer
We are the moneychangers...
Jesus Christ would have overturned all of our tables in protest of our empty, materialistic godlessness

You just can't claim to be a true follower of Christ while typing from a computer in the comfort of your air-conditioned home,
its ridiculous...
We are rome about to fall...

Chip said...

You read my mind. It's amazing how often bloggers with access to the same information will post similar observations at the same time. Human brains evolving in parallel and finding the same critical points to highlight.

I just responded to Dr. Sanity's "Joe Lieberman's Sin" at my blog only to find this post here.

Yours is better unfortunately. But mine is more accessible to the cretins on the Left. You use too many big words and concepts, doc.

Anonymous said...

Anon 11:00

And who pray tell would be backing up the security concerns of the State of Israel? Would it be that joke of a toothless organization called the U.N.?
Israel would be gone by now if it left its security up to the rest of the world.

Leah PettePiece said...

Sinat Chinam …Baseless Hatred

Yesterday was a cloudy gray day here in the US on the west coast we didn't see any sun until well after three in the afternoon. As is my custom I went in the afternoon to the market to get some fresh vegetables, and other things I needed to make ready for Shabbat. The lines were long, people were crankier than usual and just as I finished my shopping and got in line behind a half dozen or so other shoppers to wait to check out and old man got in line behind me. First he complained to the lady in the next line over about the price of things and how the price of gas now is driving up everything, then suddenly the lights in the huge grocery store went out…so the scenario was like this, no lights, no air conditioning, no checkout working, and no way to open the doors of the store to let those who simply wanted to leave to do so.
After several more minutes listening to this old man go on about everything being so awful I couldn't take it anymore…" Mazieh, ze an akol beseder!" I stated it with as much vehemence as I could muster. Seeing that I had his attention, I changed to English." First you complain about the prices, and the gas, then you complain about the cost of living and the expense to eat, no one forced you to come out shopping, it was your choice. You should be grateful to go to a store where there is too much of everything, you should be thankful that you can afford Strawberries at $3.00 a half pound. You are making the rest of us miserable just with your complaints!"
" Bah!" he shouted at me, " I suppose you are going to get your food with welfare stamps that I pay for with my taxes. Look at this crowd more than three quarters of you aren't even citizens of this country. I served in two world wars! God only knows where you all come from, but in my book you don't belong here!"
"I have friend living in a war zone, without enough to eat, and barley getting by hiding every time the air raid siren goes off praying that the target isn't them! You have no right to complain!"
"Dirty old bitch," he shouted at me, "You should go back where you came from you and all the other black brown and tan people, you and the Jews"
That did it, another lady my age ( in her sixties) with two grandchildren in tow turned on him too, " You think I am not a citizen" she shouted at him," My husband served in the Air Force, our kids were born on Army bases, just because I have on an apron and look Hispanic doesn't mean I am automatically illegal!"
From the next line over a very stunning African American woman spoke up," My great-granddaddy was a slave, he worked his way to freedom so that we can have a good life, and he struggled every day for seventy five long years to make certain we knew the value of freedom. Something you sir don't know!"
"Damit to hell" he shouted, you all are just leaches on our society." Why when I was a youngster none of you would have dared to shop in such a store. We wouldn't have let you!"
By this time the doors were working on the generator and he walked away leaving his cart in the line. Good thing because there is nothing worse then a bunch of ladies of color who are angry! He might have had to fight another war right there and then.
On the way home it set me to thinking, this is the month of Av, it’s a time when we reflect on things lost, and Sinat Chinam…baseless hatred. There is a lot of that going on in the world today, baseless hatred, it's taught to little children in many of the countries of the mid east, if someone doesn't act, talk, dress or worship exactly like you then you must hate them. In some places little children are taught that it is a great honor to blow yourself up with others around you if you take the lives of those who are " not like us". Most of the wars in our modern world are fought over baseless hatred. Think about it?
There is an old saying that if it "squawks like a duck, waddles like a duck and has feathers like a duck …then it must be a duck!" Now if you are a hunter in the Midwestern United States that means you can shoot it during hunting season, and if you are an Arab Extremist and it's a Jew that also means you can kill because you hate the Jews. What a very sad commentary on our world that we can't get to a point where we accept that we are all human, created from the same gene pool, brought up out of the same murky quagmire of the ancient primordial swamp! There are geneses of human kind, like there are of plants and animals, all of us walk up right on two legs, all of us have five fingers and develop dexterity with them, we all are able to reproduce and feed our young on mother's milk. Somehow we must begin to get a grip on the facts that the world is doomed if we humans can't clean up our act.
As long as there are grumpy, bigoted old men in supermarket lines who think that the rest of the world would be a better place if there were only whites, or Aryans, as long as the Jews see the Muslims as "different, or less than" as long as humankind keeps placing tags of acceptable and unacceptable on other human beings there can never be peace!
The mid-east tensions continue to rise as I write, who knows where this war will lead humanity, into the end perhaps, if there can't be peace in the mid east soon than there may be another third world war, quite possibly this will be the war that ends all wars…and where did it all start? Sinat Chinam…baseless hatred!
I intend this next portion of my writing to challenge you as an individual to try to come into a space where you can think about all the baseless hatreds that you know of in your own little circle of life and once you identify them try in the best way you know how to set them right. I have in Israel a dear friend who is in a town in the north where the bombing has been intense…she wrote an article about being on a rollercoaster into the end of times and how until everyone on that roller coaster could find their code for the button in their hand the rollercoaster would continue on its course of destruction. There are prophecies in many of the world greatest religions that speak to the times that we are now in, and it would seem that everyone of us indeed has a part to play in the slowing down of the roller coaster, that we all have the power to make change right where we are, right now and that if we all worked very hard on doing that we might be able to cause a slowing of the escalation to world war that we are in.
Peace isn't any unattainable goal, there was a time when there was peace on this little blue planet, when the seas were new and pristine when the animals and birds and other creatures were not endangered, a time when there was everything we needed to live, but we humans, who are supposed to be sentient beings ruined that.
We, like the little old man in the supermarket line couldn't see that we were blessed, we wanted more, we became acquisitive in our nature and we began to take that which we did not need…we stole from nature, the waters, the trees, the oil, the minerals and precious stones, we made big mistakes thinking that this little blue planet could last forever. Now we are on the brink of destruction such as man has never known before, one slip of the finger, one nod of the head and the big guns some out and here we go World War Three.
We Jews are a hopeful people, we cling to life even when there are those set on extinguishing that life, the Christians all love life too, so do the Muslims, and other religions of the world, now if ever this is the time for us all to come together in Peace and love, learning again to trust each other as human beings. Never doubt that what you do in your own little circle to make peace can't help the world, it can! If each of us finds just one person with whom we can make a bond and if we turn out attention to the things that are all the same in both of us, forgetting our difference, we can stir the waters and make the ripples flow out from us to touch others. Time is of the essence right now, we have no more time to fight among ourselves, no more time to be bitter and hateful, dishonest or unjust! If Peace is every to come to this planet it will come because enough of us in our own small way try to make it a reality where we live!
I was thinking yesterday of the old Eagles song "In a New York Minute everything can change!" That is the minute we are living in, the minute when we switch the channel and suddenly there is the bomb no one wanted to see ever again in life…the bomb to end all bombs. Then it will be too late!
Think about this, do you know a Muslim, or a Jew, or someone of another culture or another faith in your neighborhood? Have you tried to make friends with them, do you know their names? How about reaching out of your comfort zone just a little, what about the strange old lady who sits in the back pew of the church and always leaves before coffee, why not catch up with her and ask her to stay, get out of your comfort zone and reach for someone who seems unlovable, stretch as bit and go over to the neighbor and ask how they are doing.
If we don't all start trying this whole mess in the Middle East between Israel and Lebanon could become Armageddon, the place where they are fighting at the border in the north of Israel and the south of Lebanon is near Megiddo, the very place where the prophets said the war to end all wars would be wagged. I have walked there with my husband, we saw that ground and it made us tremble, to see how the war is being fought right there is a frightening thing! "In a New York Minute, everything can change!"
We sentient, conscious human beings need to make ourselves heard above the roar of this war, we need to stand up and be counted as trying to make change before it is too late.

Anonymous said...

Bob, I love One Cosmos, I have finally decided, given the current earthly/spiritual war, I'd like to add my two-cents worth;

Joseph, even considering that the creation of Israel was a mistake (which I don't) I'm curious that, in your list of solutions, you have nothing to say about what the Israelis themselves are supposed to do. We can certainly cut off any immigration from Islamic countries, and let them "wipe each other out" but what are the Israelis supposed to do? Simply throw up their hands, say, "Oh well, it's better off if we all die!" and allow themselves to be massacred?

One of the reasons, by the way, that they did want their own army was not, I think, a love of warfare as such, but the cold, hard, practical fact that, during WWII, they were unable to defend themselves against the Nazis, and the world, instead of coming to their rescue, looked the other way. If Israel wanted to be in the game, it was because the Jews were, quite rightly, tired of being constantly at the mercy of others.

And, anyway, we can't just pull out; the Middle-East has, unfortunately, a large portion of the world's oil. Even if the US started drilling in Alaska, or buying more oil from Columbia, other countries would still want oil from the Middle East, and we'd be doing business with them, and, therefore, still involved in the Middle East to some extent.

Anonymous said...

Of the mistakes I perceive, the creation of the State of Israel is not one of them. A different location for it, however, at least until the Islamic world had been reduced to rubble, would have been preferable, in my opinion.

Anonymous said...

>>A different location for it(state of Israel), however, at least until the Islamic world had been reduced to rubble, would have been preferable, in my opinion<<

From the material view, yes. From a transcendent perspective, I think, Israel could be no other place that where it presently is, that is, in the Biblical homeland of the Jews. Israel, after all, symbolizes the spiritual state - the spiritual goal - of mankind as a whole. At the present time, there is even a "rightness" that Israel should be surrounded by a satanic element that wishes her destruction. This is the case with all of us, and it should be recognized fully. The issue cannot, should not be avoided.

Mother Effingby said...

Leah, what a beautiful story. How many times have we met people like this! As for re-establishing Israel based on ancient scriptures,
anonymous said: Ancient scripture should never be legal grounds for determining borders.
Well, they may be ancient scriptures, but consider that every surrounding country in the muslim world has ejected its Jews, Europe, name any country there, has expelled its Jews as has Russia. Where do you put all the Jews you expel? The Jews have a common language, which has been kept alive through constant care and scholarship, a language, which, in its ancient scriptural form can be read by Hebrew speaking children of today. Where else will they go? The ground yields more and more claim to the land where they are. The Jews covet no other property than their ancient lands!
Every time I hear some twit say that the Zionists want to take over the worlk, I simply remind them how SMALL Israel is, and that the only claim on the world by Jews is of Israel.

Anonymous said...

Bob-- Your post reminded me of the conversation between Jesus and the woman of Samaria in John 4. She asks him about the differences between Samaritan and mainstream Jewish worship. Jesus' answer includes two important points made by today's post:

"Jesus said to her . . . we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father seeks such as these to worship him. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth."

It is no accident that Satan is described elsewhere in John's Gospel as "a liar and the father of lies."

Anonymous said...


Maybe it would have better if Israel had been created in a different time or a different place, or if Mohammed had never founded Islam, or if the new Jewish state had been founded on one of the American Hawaiian islands (as I've heard was considered at some point).

One can play the "coulda/woulda/shoulda/ game forever, but it doesn't help you deal with the present situation. And, I agree with Bob---I think this is more than a physical war here. I'm afraid it would have broken out against the Jews at some point, no matter what they did.

And, The Bunnies---great post! Pretty much sums it all up! The only thing I can add is---anybody who can't understand why the Jews want to defend themselves, and why they're not willing to let others decide their destiny for them, needs to go back to class and study WWII.

Anonymous said...

The explanation for anti-Jew/Judaism hatred is quite simple and clear. The existence of Jews, with their faith, principles, relative excellence in the mundane professions of the everyday world, are 'seismic' disturbances to the structure of lies supporting the edifice-wretch within which the haters have made their home.

In psychopathic terms, the haters have allowed their hateful ideas to become identified, incorporated as their selves so that if they accept the truth that their hate is lie-based and fear-based and shame-based, they will disintegrate psychologically and spiritually.

Why do they hate? Because deep down they fear having to admit they are wrong, and so they project that fear and dislike onto those others who serve, undeliberately, as their critics and as an alarm signal to their cowardice-driven shame.

Counter Mag said...

i love israelis
and i love arabs
i love muslims, christians, jews, hindus, buddhists, atheists and inmates
god or no god, the initiated, the ignorant and the wise
we all bleed red and wear a very clever disguise
wouldn't you agree?
the fighting is for lies
like one step forward
backwards three
the right way to get rid of ourselves permanently

Gagdad Bob said...

Wrong. Where does one absorb such patent nonsense? Humans are always morally obligated to hate and oppose evil, not acquiesce to it. Some fighting is for lies, some for truth. It is vital that you make this elementary moral distinction. If you cannot make the distinction, you are spiritually broken.

phil g said...

"the right way to get rid of ourselves permanently"

Everytime I encounter this nonsense of - problems = humans therefore off the humans - I always reply by inviting that person to set the example.

So Counter Mag, get on with your personal liquidation and let us know how that works out for ya.

Anonymous said...

"You just can't claim to be a true follower of Christ while typing from a computer in the comfort of your air-conditioned home,
its ridiculous...
We are rome about to fall..."

Actually no, this statement is what is rediculous. Who are you to judge who is a true Christian and who is not? The book I read says "Judge not lest ye be judged." Are you God that can see into the heart of a man?

Also in context your argument about the promised land doesn't make any sense. The Hebrews were led out of Egypt by God to . . ."somewhere deep inside the human soul"? That's a bit of a stretch considering the actual physical borders of the land of Israel were laid out in this book you say you've read.

Perhaps you should keep reading.

PS Bob, excellent blog.


Counter Mag said...

you've lost sight
i've never met a christian that disregarded his/her posessions as christ did, but i'm sure you're allowed to pick and choose which guidelines you follow...or even make up your own, like paul or constantine
if we aren't to judge, then who gave you all the authority to label islam a flase religion?
who gave you the authority to label islam and its followers blood thirsty?

how can you draw distinctions between a suicide bomber and a smart bomb?

if 9/11 changed all of your mindsets so drastically, then why don't you all take up arms and go off to destroy the cultures that your government has you so scared of? its the crusades, my friends, at least bush thought so before someone kindly advised him of the negative connotations on the word

go then, and fight for jesus, fight for the land of canaan that will never be won!

there is no holy land, at least not until god's children finally wake up and realize that they should love their brothers and sisters, no matter who may be atop of the worlds largest reserves of oil

remember all of the talk about why germany couldn't see itself evolving into a fascist state?
from an outside viewpoint, america is on that same path, the muslims are the new scapegoats, 9/11 was the reichstag fire, every time bush speaks he burns another book, and the churches are voting republican?

yikes people, wake up
we are alive on this planet, all of the meditation and prayer, large words and psychotherapy won't change the fact that we occupy a physical universe-

remember the telephone game in school, where you send a message around a circle and when it gets back to you the message has changed? you don't think that has happened to your holy book?

i'll say it again, calling yourself a true follower of christ from the comfort of the world's most powerful empire reminds me of the mennonites i saw yesterday wearing nike sneakers on their way to use the local payphone

you may as well drop the act

germans went into war with 'gott mit uns' on their belt buckles
they truly believed it too...

Anonymous said...

You are too confused to even merit a response. It expends way too much energy to wrestle with a weak mind. For one thing, the feeble mind will not know when it has been defeated in argument anyway. So please just go away. You do not belong here.

Anonymous said...

Whether or not the creation of Israel by carving it out of land held by the Arabs was a mistake is rather moot at this point. It's there now and the action can't be taken back. History isn't very forgiving of people who try to call 'do-over!' like children who aren't happy with the outcome of their games. Despite all the moral and ethical gray areas presented by the re-drawing of borders at the end of WWII, I do believe that the Jews had suffered enough and deserved to finally go home.

The cynic in me says the creation of Israel was done because there were no countries who wanted to take so many displaced refugees back in after the Nazi deathcamps were dismantled. It is this same voice who tells me that if Israel fails now, her people will truly be under threat of disappearing completely just as surely as if we hadn't stopped Hitler.

If the land now called Israel was given entirely to the Palestinians, particularly in the growing anti-Zionist, anti-Semitic atmosphere in the world today, what country will take in all the current residents? Especially if this course would surely mean inviting terrorists who are hell bent on killing every Jew down to the last and any perceived co-conspirator with them? Somehow, I don't think anyone will be volunteering.

Those who try to paint the Arab cultures as people who only want to live in peace if it weren't for the hated Jews in the midst of them are fooling themselves. To take the liberty of quoting another commenter, "White, christian and jewish europeans have been invading arabic territories forever in search of their intangible 'holy land'."

First of all, the Holy Land is quite tangible to not one, but three religions. The Jews haven't had an army of their own for centuries so I'm pretty sure they haven't been doing much invading until recent years. The last ones to take over Jerusalem from them was *gasps at the shock of discovering this*...Muslim armies. So don't start quibbling over who came from where, if that was the case, the Normans would have to all go back to France, the Turks to the Asiatic steppes, and so on. The point is, they are there now and it isn't going away. Since I'm on this aside, as to how 'peaceful' the inhabitants of the Middle East are, it's always been a war zone throughout recorded history. Christian, Muslim, Jew...European, African, Asian, Arab...we've all shed blood there.

As for the situations being faced today, we are talking about a collective culture that is entirely alien to our Western notions of right and wrong, moral and immoral. They have their own definitions that they adhere to which is why so many of us are left so often scratching our heads in trying to figure out what the heck could possess people to behave the way they do.

They live by religious laws that have changed little over centuries while the West secularized, something that Westerners have a difficult time understanding what the implications of this can mean. It isn't statesmen who make their legislation, it is religious teachers who dictate policy. If they are preaching murder and hate, then it must be just and right. Anyone who disagrees is, by lack of submission, automatically wrong. If the extremists aren't attacking the Jews, they're attacking the "Western Imperialists". If they aren't attacking the West, they're attacking each other. The wars between Sunni and Shia may not all appear in our history books, but that doesn't mean they haven't been as brutal and bloody (if not even more so) as any atrocity inflicted on them by the Evil Imperialists from the West(tm).

Getting rid of Israel would not just be a mistake, it would be a stupid mistake. It would be a sign of weakness, only encouraging more violence against us. Consider Israel after they made concessions for peace in the Oslo Accords. They had more terrorist attacks in the five years after than they did the 15 years leading up to it. They at least made a show of trying to comply to the agreements, while Arafat paid lip service to wanting peace and continued to incite death onto the heads of Jews.

As to the charges of this being another crusade, it most certainly is working up to be. Only this time it isn't the Christians on the march. Check out the clips from any of the Muslim television feeds. What are their religious leaders calling for? For Islam to cover the whole of the earth and death to any who stand in their way. There will only be true peace when we are all converts to Islam under one teaching. Unless reformists can sway the moderates to finally throw off the yokes of the extremists who feel children should have suicide bombers as role models, we won't have much choice but to continue taking up arms.

Anonymous said...

"If the land now called Israel was given entirely to the Palestinians, particularly in the growing anti-Zionist, anti-Semitic atmosphere in the world today, what country will take in all the current residents? Especially if this course would surely mean inviting terrorists who are hell bent on killing every Jew down to the last and any perceived co-conspirator with them? Somehow, I don't think anyone will be volunteering."... Ankle biter

Volunteers??? Yes they should try India. They have been the suckers since centuries.

Anonymous said...

Arabs are decended from Lot's incestious children.
1. Incest causes insanity.
2. liveing in this condition results in a false sense of morals
3.false gods--Allah
4.lying prophets-mohamid
5.doomsday political group---Islam

Anonymous said...

I like what you wrote, Bob, except for one thing. I believe you're overgeneralizing when you write about how terrible leftists are. I happen to be very much pro-Israel AND leftist. It's a shame that a handful of blogs are bashing and alienating the people who would otherwise be their allies.

Gagdad Bob said...


I agree with you--the issue of Israel separates the decent from the indecent left:

However, the anti-Semitism involves much more than a handful of blogs, especially if you look at it worldwide. It's quite pervasive.

Unknown said...

Israel is of both vertical or spiritual significance and cultural. It is an outpost of Western civilization in a part of the world that desperately needs it

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