Thursday, December 01, 2011

OWS and the Right of Return to Infantile Paradise

Picking up from where we left off yesterday, when we encounter collective beliefs and practices that appear insane and self-defeating, we are probably dealing with mind parasites. Importantly, while they do not appear adaptive to an outside observer, they actually are adaptive to the person who harbors them. It's just that they are adaptive to the interior, not exterior, world. This is no different than a neurotic patient with a baffling symptom. Ultimately the symptom can be traced back to some earlier adaptation to a difficult or traumatic situation.

The most difficult challenge for human beings -- and it is a lifelong one -- is to adapt to the novel problem of having a mind, or of mindedness. Ultimately, mind parasites come down to the problem of thoughts and what to do with them -- anxious thoughts, fearful thoughts, envious thoughts, greedy thoughts, angry thoughts, sexual thoughts, etc. One of the primary purposes of culture is to collectively manage these primitive thoughts. Which is a big reason why diverse cultures historically haven't gotten along well, because one man's idol is another man's pest.

Take, for example, the problem of primitive Arab culture existing side by side with modern Israeli culture. In the absence of contact with the latter, these paranoid, misogynistic, homophobic, and goat-humping religious retrobates would be content to wallow in the mud of their own mind parasites. But contact with a modern liberal culture that values freedom and isn't preoccupied with female sexuality is too much to cope with. The mind parasites must lash out at the culture that threatens their existence.

It is no different with the left. Why do they hate us? Well, for starters, it's a shock to the system to discover so late in life that you aren't "special," that your absurdly inflated self-esteem has no correlation to reality, that they don't hand out trophies just for breathing, and that in the real world your communication studies degree doesn't mean shit. I'll let Adam Carolla explain the rest. You can come back to it after you finish the post.



In the course of writing my book, I did a fair amount of research into the earliest roots of collective mind parasites, which can be difficult to come by because of the absurd manner in which anthropologists idealize man and culture (so long as the man isn't a person of pallor and the culture isn't Christian). One of the books I found helpful at the time -- since it tries to reach all the way to the groundfloor of the collective/historical psyche -- was In the Shadow of Moloch: The Sacrifice of Children and Its Impact on Western Religions. It's been over a decade since I read it, so I can't give it an unqualified raccoomendation.

Here's what the ubiquitous Professor Backflap -- who seems to have read and enjoyed every book in existence -- says about it:

"In ancient times, humans projected their hostility into their gods; 'bloodthirsty' gods who 'demanded' the sacrifice of children. In the Shadow of Moloch begins with pre-biblical times by examining Moloch, the god of the 'Children of Ammon' who demanded the burning of children.

"Tracing the legacy of child sacrifice, Bergmann shows that the greatest efforts to overcome this ritual can be found in biblical accounts of the suspended sacrifice of Isaac by Abraham and of the sacrifice of Christ by God the Father to atone for original sin. He argues that the development of Judaism and Christianity can be seen as an effort, only partially successful, to ameliorate past aggression of child sacrifice through the creation of an entirely loving god."

I would say discovery of an entirely loving God, but you get the point, because there is no evolutionary reason to believe that human beings could have "invented" such a being, given their dismal track record. Obviously, the systematic murder of one's children poses a challenge to natural selection, unless there is some deeper mechanism to account for it. Again, I believe that mechanism is the urgent need to adapt to the catastrophic condition of having a self-conscious mind.

It is indeed difficult for us to imagine how catastrophic this was -- to have been, as Richard Prior so poetically put it, the first motherf*cker to look around and ask himself what in the f*ck is goin' on?!

Then again, not really, if you can empathize with the emotionally catastrophic (as in catastrophe theory) conditions of infancy and early childhood -- which, sad to say, many, if not most, parents still cannot do. I would estimate -- actually, studies on maternal attachment estimate -- that perhaps only a third of parents in the West are able to do this. In more primitive locales, such as in the Islamic world -- well.... child sacrifice goes on unabated. They just call it intifada instead of infanticide, jihad instead of juvecide.

And in the West, we simply have more subtle means of engaging in child sacrifice. We don't kill the body, but murder the soul. I mean, I literally cannot imagine sending my son to a California public school, because I would in effect be sending him off to be sacrificed to the leftist collective.

Coincidentally, just this morning, while standing outside waiting for his ride, I noticed our local rag, the Agoura Acorn, right under the tree. Normally it would go straight to the recycling bin, but while picking it up I noticed the headline: Gay Lesson Plan Coming to School: New state law will require attention to diversity.

First of all: attention? I do not think this word means what they think it means, for the law actually "requires textbooks to highlight the achievements of the gay and lesbian [they left out 'transgendered'] population in California and the United States."

In plain english, the state now mandates that children, starting in kindergarten -- yes, that joyful garden of innocent kinder -- must be brainwashed in a manner comporting with the far left agenda of homosexual activists. This is what we call "diversity."

"Attention" is such a neutral word. For example, I just finished a biography of Hitler that gave a great deal of attention to his unprecedented contributions to European civilization. Not to be judgmental, but suffice it to say, these contributions were less than stellar. I assume that this state-mandated attention to homosexual behavior will similarly highlight its disproportionate contribution to AIDS, just as they no doubt pay similar attention to the white man's one-sided contribution to the genocide of Native Americans.

I couldn't bear doing to my son what was done to me, and that was well before the leftist takeover of the educational system was complete. He would have to internalize all of their strange gods -- multiculturalism, moral relativism, materialism, scientism, environmentalism, etc. -- and in so doing, die to his own soul. But that is a rather passive way of putting it, for this is attempted soul murder, plain and simple. I mean, if you don't know why it's inappropriate to discuss sodomy with six year olds, you shouldn't be allowed to horse around with children, much less presume to instruct them.

In fact, continuing with Bergmann's flapdoodle, I think it is a truism that "the psychological conflict of child sacrifice still haunts the unconscious of modern men and women." He posits what he calls a "Laius complex -- hostility of the father toward the son -- to explain sacrifice. He argues that, in psychological terms, the development of Western religions is an effort by insufficiently loved men and women to change their inner balance away from hostility, toward a more loving center."

You might even say that what we alluded to above about incompatible cultures existing side by side has an analogue in "incompatible generations" existing in intimate proximity. After all, the "generation gap" wasn't invented by the baby boomers. Indeed, the OWS movement is in many ways a ludicrously displaced attack on an older generation that "has all the wealth." It is children rebelling against the parents. Thus, to paraphrase Don Colacho, they are simply spoiled and impatient heirs. And "'social justice' is the term used to claim anything to which we do not have a right."

Regarding the collective mind parasites, you can see that unKnown Friend isn't really too far from Bergmann: although "engendered subjectively," these artificial demons "become forces independent of the subjective consciousness that engendered them. They are, in other words, magical creations, for magic is the objectification of that which takes its origin in subjective consciousness" (again, think of the image in the card of the man and woman chained to a larger entity that they have co-created).

UF compares these collective demons to psychological complexes, which is why it is something of a truism to say that a culture is a public neurosis, while a neurosis is a private culture. But there are also public psychoses, e.g., OWS (and by "psychotic," I simply mean not in contact with reality, or a defect in reality-testing).

Yes, these groups can be frightening to think about, because they (the manipulated ones, anyway) really do believe the things they say. But it's not so much "the things they believe" -- i.e., the contained (♂) -- as the container (♀) -- i.e., the very space in which they live -- that is so disturbing (and I think that what these Obamavillians do to the surrounding environment is a mirror of their chaotic internal state, otherwise they couldn't possibly feel comfortable amidst such squalor and pestilence; then again, at least the million dollars of our money required to clean up the mess in Los Angeles was spent on the children).

Again, think of that deeply irrational container as a sort of desperate effort to manage their own unbearable proto-thoughts and impulses. You could say that OWS is the pathological product of an unsane pairing of ♂ (contained) and ♀ (container). Leftism is what happens when you put together an abandoning ♀ with an enraged ♂: uncontainable and incoherent, just "beta elements" (primitive proto-thoughts without a thinker) leaking out all over the place. When even a Democratic mayor can't handle the stench, you've really accomplished something.

You could also say that these demons represent the premature birth of the unborn due to an inability to tolerate reality and allow the proto-thoughts to "gestate" in the womb of being. In other words, they represent premature closure of the psychic field, which is again one of the main reasons why people believe such weird things.

These weird ideas nevertheless have to be "nourished" by a parental container, which is why adolt intellectuals devote their lives to feeding these kids and legitimizing their emotional and intellectual immaturity. Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, Paul Krugman, Robert Reich, et al -- their festering crapus is a kind of pathological psychic body that is utterly detached from reality. When they die, it will "live on" in wackolytes who have been infected by their ghostly and ghastly ideas. Think of "patient zero," Marx, who is still spreading his spiritually fatal infection. Religion -- properly understood -- inoculates one from the disease, but that's the subject for a different post.

Oh, and when Bob uses words like "infection" and "disease," he is, of course, worse than Hitler, so you needn't remind us.

Suddenly I am out of time. To be continued.....

65 Comments:

Blogger ted said...

Bob,

I think your blog is the only one on the internet where you can read Schuon and Ratzinger quotes and listen to Adam Carolla and Howard Stern audios. Highbrow and lowbrow coming together with the same message. I love it!

12/01/2011 09:09:00 AM  
Blogger Gagdad Bob said...

We like to harmonize the whole spectrum of vertical consciousness.

12/01/2011 09:11:00 AM  
Blogger julie said...

Heh - Professor Backflap, what a great mental picture.

I would estimate -- actually, studies on maternal attachment estimate -- that perhaps only a third of parents in the West are able to do this.

Yes, this becomes apparent when spending much time around playgrounds, especially depending on the area. A couple months ago I was shocked to see a family at the local germ pit who had a beautiful little girl of between two and three, along with a few other kids. The girl wandered off, barefoot, halfway to the other end of the mall, and when security brought her back her parents could hardly be arsed to get off their butts and express anything appropriate - concern, embarrassment, relief, or pretty much anything else at all. When it became apparent that some kind of reaction was expected, the father finally stood up and went to fetch her.

Fortunately, most people we've seen appear to be reasonably engaged.

12/01/2011 09:27:00 AM  
Blogger Gagdad Bob said...

Yes, it's hard to be around certain parents. Really makes you wince. On the other hand, it does help explain why the world is so messed up.

12/01/2011 09:43:00 AM  
Blogger julie said...

Speaking of OWS, I was listening to Prager talking about them today, and something he said about the mob mentality of the OWS protestors and their mountains of garbage reminded of this article about crowd dynamics and how people get crushed in and by the mob (with thanks to Vanderleun for linking to it today at one of his Tumblr blogs).

12/01/2011 11:52:00 AM  
Blogger Van said...

"In the absence of contact with the latter, these paranoid, misogynistic, homophobic, and goat-humping religious retrobates would be content to wallow in the mud of their own mind parasites."

Ooh... kind of takes the attraction out of mud wrestling, don't it?

12/01/2011 12:50:00 PM  
Blogger mushroom said...

soul murder

Law and Order: Soulcide Division

12/01/2011 01:22:00 PM  
Blogger mushroom said...

...these paranoid, misogynistic, homophobic, and goat-humping religious retrobates ...

That right there is a thing of beauty. Keats hangs his head in your presence.


A thing of beauty is a joy for ever:
Its loveliness increases; it will never
Pass into nothingness; but still will keep
A bower quiet for us, and a sleep
Full of sweet dreams, and health, and quiet breathing.

12/01/2011 01:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Cousin Dupree said...

Thank God Muslims can laugh at themselves.

12/01/2011 01:44:00 PM  
Blogger julie said...

Chiming in, I just really liked the word "retrobates" - very, um, evocative...

12/01/2011 02:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Carolla's take is spot on.
There is something more to it, though, and the OWS a$$holes miss the mark.
There is a group of entitlement jerks at the top of the financial rung as well that believe they are entitled to mine the wealth of the middle class, and they do this in collusion with the US congress, and their puppet presidents. It has been going on for decades, but the degree has gone out of control.
Problem is, the middle class has to work for a living and have neither time, nor interest in "protest" movements. The Tea Party folks only complain about one side of the equation.
"Voting", given that there are no conditions other than being 18, and they actually allow 18 year old's to vote, has become less than meaningless. It is a farce. And of course it is, since we were never intended to have some kind of universal suffrage anyway.
Still, as Carolla says, envy is enormous. And so is greed.

12/01/2011 02:06:00 PM  
Blogger USS Ben USN (Ret) said...

"I assume that this state-mandated attention to homosexual behavior will similarly highlight its disproportionate contribution to AIDS, just as they no doubt pay similar attention to the white man's one-sided contribution to the genocide of Native Americans.

I couldn't bear doing to my son what was done to me, and that was well before the leftist takeover of the educational system was complete. He would have to internalize all of their strange gods -- multiculturalism, moral relativism, materialism, scientism, environmentalism, etc. -- and in so doing, die to his own soul. But that is a rather passive way of putting it, for this is attempted soul murder, plain and simple. I mean, if you don't know why it's inappropriate to discuss sodomy with six year olds, you shouldn't be allowed to horse around with around children, much less presume to instruct them."

Aye, and it's the serial psycho soul killers that lead the left's efforts to increase the sacrifice of souls (of which the gay shock goosesteppers are a part).

They wanna souldomize with inpunity and the younger the better.

They are the soul division of NAMBLA and they are being given a green light to systematically soulrape children on a massive scale.

It's a reprehensable atrocity that all parents should be aware of.
These souldaphiles should be fought on every level for they seek nothing less than the destruction of every soul entrusted to their care.

It's actually worse than hiring child rapists to babysit our kids, because these beasts live to devour the souls of our young.

12/01/2011 04:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Erase me now said...

This post was a monumental heap of paranoid horsedung, however, very entertaining and informative.

Should the miscreats be sent to labor camps? Shot? Gassed?

You decide, Skully.

12/01/2011 04:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Skully said...

These subhuman, sadistic predators oughtta be tarred, feathered, wrapped in pink bows and sent to Iran where they can educate the Iranians on the benefits of dipervesity.

Keelhaulin' is to good for them.

12/01/2011 04:34:00 PM  
Blogger USS Ben USN (Ret) said...

"Indeed, the OWS movement is in many ways a ludicrously displaced attack on an older generation that "has all the wealth." It is children rebelling against the parents. Thus, to paraphrase Don Colacho, they are simply spoiled and impatient heirs. And "'social justice' is the term used to claim anything to which we do not have a right."

Yes, all the OWSers want is what the left has always wanted:

A license to piss, shit and masturbate in public, steal, assault, molest, rape, and kill. Oh, and defile the environment.

Afterall, if they have no qualms about doin' it to each other how much moreso to the restuvus?

12/01/2011 04:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Skully said...

Leftism is what happens when you put together an abandoning ♀ with an enraged ♂: uncontainable and incoherent, just "beta elements" (primitive proto-thoughts without a thinker) leaking out all over the place. When even a Democratic mayor can't handle the stench, you've really accomplished something."

Democrats, the party of:

The bog of eternal stench.

12/01/2011 04:52:00 PM  
Blogger julie said...

Yep - 30 tons of garbage from Occupy LA alone. I can't even imagine what the reek must have been like.

12/01/2011 05:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Cousin Dupree said...

30 tons of smelly garbage -- and that's not even counting the protesters.

12/01/2011 05:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The more dicks like you and Adam Carolla hate on OWS, the more I'm convinced it's a great thing and will represent a turning around from the current rightward trend of the company.

Thanks for the encouragement.

12/01/2011 05:42:00 PM  
Blogger Gagdad Bob said...

Oddly enough, the confirmation is mutual.

12/01/2011 05:45:00 PM  
Blogger julie said...

Mushroom, I think you're on to something, there. (Oops - he's talking over there, but it's relevant here, too.)

Anon, bring it on, baby. The Democrat party needs motivated dudes like you and your OWS brethren!

12/01/2011 05:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Frodo said...

We have been visited by the Sméagol and Gollum of Anons.

12/01/2011 05:59:00 PM  
Blogger mushroom said...

Where am I?

12/01/2011 06:00:00 PM  
Anonymous George Flakoff said...

Viva, Occupiers!!!

They feed themselves!!!!

They wipe their own butts!!!!

This is simply amazing. I have never seen anything like it. We should let them run everything.

12/01/2011 06:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Cousin Dupree said...

One out of two ain't bad.

12/01/2011 06:12:00 PM  
Blogger mushroom said...

It's hard to tell one end from the other on some of those.

12/01/2011 06:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Cousin Dupree said...

It's easy. At one end they feed themselves. Through the other they speak.

12/01/2011 06:26:00 PM  
Blogger Van said...

For the aninnymouse that needs pictures to understand the words, here ya go: Dead Movement Walking: Top Six Signs the Left And Mainstream Media Have Hung Occupy Out to Dry

12/01/2011 07:17:00 PM  
Blogger Van said...

" I mean, if you don't know why it's inappropriate to discuss sodomy with six year olds, you shouldn't be allowed to horse around with children, much less presume to instruct them."

And should they try, you know who to call: GoEST Busters! Soulcide Division.

Not that it isn't bad enough here, but if I still lived in California, public school would not, could not, be an option.

Hmmm... wv is coming up with some interesting associations: galtupre

Going Galt with a blowtorch and pliers? I didn't realize that John Galt was amongst Dupree's many cousins.

12/01/2011 07:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Old Fart said...

D'ja ever notice that our troll(s) immediately assume(s) that disagreement with leftists means that conservatives actually want to round them all up and kill them?

There is no room for middle ground in their eyes. To a leftist, "leave me alone" is only a valid response when they want to do something they really oughtn't, like putting their twiddly bits in dangerous places or murdering their unborn children; in any other instance, it indicates potentially lethal anti-social behavior.

What would I do to the OWSers? Tell those damn kids to get off my tax-paid lawn, and if necessary hose them down with soap and disinfectant. Their mamas probably should have spanked them more and coddled them less; it would have saved them much grief in the adultolescent phase. Now, their mental disease can only be cured by repeated unpleasant contact with reality, if at all (clearly in many cases there is little hope). Even so, that's no reason to get all torture and murder on their asses; chances are, just being themselves is punishment enough.

12/01/2011 09:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you really think that links to the WSJ editorial page or the even more worthless Breitbart sites demonstrate anything at all? If that's the best you can do, I expect OWS will seize the reigns of power shortly and send you charmers to a nice re-education encampment.

12/01/2011 09:47:00 PM  
Blogger Van said...

aninnymouse squeaked "...think that links to the WSJ editorial page or the even more worthless Breitbart sites demonstrate anything at all?"

Shoot that damn messenger! There. That takes care of those pesky facts.

Lol... you guy's are funny. Sick. But funny.

12/01/2011 10:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Van -- if you are going to write in cliches, you might as well make an effort to find out what they mean first so you can pick them appropriately. You seem incapable of actual thought, but you could at least fake it better.

12/01/2011 11:21:00 PM  
Blogger Van said...

Aninnymouse said "Blam! Two down!"

Lol.

12/02/2011 04:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Adam Carolla can bitch about the top 1% paying 50% but consider the perspective. The average CEO of your parents generation made 30X more then their average worker. Today - it's 300-500 times the average worker. 30 times the average workers pay wasn't enough for these members of the top 1%? They needed to make 100 time more?

Perspective.

Easy to say the top 1% is overly taxed when they are the only segement to see significant income growth when the working family with one income that once was able to claim a middle class income is now at ot below the poverty line. Same work, same job, less money, lower standard of living.

I don't see how the Democrats could lose on this issue. The vast majority of Americans - in every poll taken, say 2 to 1 the rich should pay more in taxes.

Conservatives, chew on this for a while ... the OWSers have an important ally in Ronald Reagan who said:

"We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." - Ronald Reagan 6/6/85

Perspective. Like those who believe the shit Bob writes ... midgets stand tall among pygmies.

Enough BS about greed of the 99%ers. The fact is, many ultra rich are fine with paying higher taxes. Those who are not are the truly greedy.

12/02/2011 05:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Besides, they do it in the EU, and look how well it's working there. If Obama isn't reelected, I swear I'm moving to Greece or Italy or Spain, where they know a thing or two about how to spend other people's money.

12/02/2011 06:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another misleading video that purports to demonstrate that what OWS wants may or may not be desirable, just impossible and self-defeating. However, we have only to discover a single flying pig to disprove the fascist idea that pigs cannot fly.

12/02/2011 06:12:00 AM  
Blogger Van said...

aninnymouse squawked "They needed to make 100 time more? "

Expresses your understanding of economics perfectly. From those according to their ability, to those according to their need. I don't suppose that there's been anything that has occurred in the last century that would interest you in questioning that, has there?

No, didn't think so.

“Same work, same job, less money, lower standard of living.”

Find me the job today that is the same job as it was a half century ago. Please. I could use some more laughter. Typical proregressive, wants everything to remain the same, “No Change!”. Here’s your Ludite in Chief with the same message (yes, I chose the source just for you. Blam!)

“I don't see how the Democrats could lose on this issue.”

Hey, it worked for Lenin, right? Worked for Hitler? Mao? Why not Obama?

“"We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes…”

Any guesses who is most responsible for putting in those loop holes? The same ones, left and right, who are spouting the drivel that you’re lapping up. Idiot. But if you’re finally coming around to the idea of closing all the loopholes, of everyone ‘paying their fair share’… can I assume that you mean by that, that everyone should pay the same flat rate?

If so, then here’s the memo you must have missed.

“The fact is, many ultra rich are fine with paying higher taxes.”

Here’s a bit more about your Warren ‘Up with the little guy!’ Buffet.

Lol.

12/02/2011 06:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's a better link to that awful video.

12/02/2011 06:14:00 AM  
Blogger USS Ben USN (Ret) said...

"We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share..."

Key words: unproductive tax loopholes.
And yes, I know you still won't grok what President Reagan said.
It is cute when lefties quote him though, so sure he agreed with the platform of envy.

"Many ultra rich are fine paying more taxes."

If they were fine with it then why don't they? Oh, that's right, they meant "other" ultra rich folks to pay more taxes. Otherwise they would actually pay more taxes.

What's that? Warren Buffet likes using write offs and offshore accts and uses every loophole to pay less taxes than most billionaires?

Gee, but he said he would be fine paying more taxes. He wouldn't lie now, would he? His tax returns sure don't reflect what he said.
Must be some kind of mistake.

Hey what about those other ultra rich? Could they be lying? Wonder what their tax returns say?

Well, anon, speaking of Reagan, there you go again.

Looks like you forgot to trust AND verify before throwing out links to evidence you wish was there.

12/02/2011 06:18:00 AM  
Blogger USS Ben USN (Ret) said...

Hai! Van beat me to it...and with strong link foo, too.

Domo, Master Van-san. :^)

12/02/2011 06:23:00 AM  
Blogger Van said...

I picked up some super Chin-Foo-Do techniques from a certain master I know.

;-)

12/02/2011 06:33:00 AM  
Blogger Van said...

Just for fun, my friend Patch posted this video of OWS peacefulness, a not so rare glimpse into how closely their words refract reality.

12/02/2011 06:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yea, it worked for Hitler...

Reminder:

It was George Washington who wrote the praises of an "enlightened and liberal policy..." (letter to Edward Newenham, October 20, 1792)

It was Adolph Hitler who wrote that society should "fill our culture again with the Christian spirit" and that "liberal excesses" must be "burned out"

--The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1, pg 871-872

No Van, it didn't work for Hitler, but it did for G. Washington.

12/02/2011 07:06:00 AM  
Blogger Gagdad Bob said...

You know what they say about the dangers of genocide: it can lead to lying.

12/02/2011 07:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hitler would not lie!

And George Washington can be forgiven for not knowing that in our day "liberal" means the opposite of his use of the word.

12/02/2011 07:18:00 AM  
Blogger julie said...

Apropos, the Norks

12/02/2011 07:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Charcoal burning trucks? Those guys are on to something, there. Trees are totally a renewable resource, not like those awful petroleum products! Score one for socialism!

12/02/2011 07:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And hey, they've managed to solve the obesity problem, too! Plus there's no worry about income inequality. Not even soldiers get exceptional pay. Except for Dear Leader, of course, but he's like a god or something, so that's cool.

12/02/2011 07:30:00 AM  
Blogger Van said...

Hey aninny, here's another messenger you can shoot, he's got some cool observations about everyone's favorite, pro-working guy, ex-Union mogul, Andy Sterne. Sterne just published an op-ed on the glories of Red China, and this messenger points out that:

"To the extent that China’s economic planning “works,” it does so because China is an authoritarian country. ... You can hit your building quota a lot more easily when you can shoot inconvenient people and trample property rights at will. The Three Gorges Dam displaced more than a million people who were given three choices: move, jail, death. "

That's the kind of change that proregressives believe in, right?! the "We can't wait!" sort of, fuhgeddaboud the rules and make things happen hopey-changey stuff, right?

Oh, and here's a nifty book by the same messenger, it'll help fill you in on all sorts of nifty Hitler facts, you'll absolutely love denying Liberal Fascism, I know, because we love it so here.

Ok, enjoy your morning!

12/02/2011 08:07:00 AM  
Blogger Van said...

willian said ""

Hey doofus, I know you're confronting two nearly insurmountable issues here, 1) your inability to recognize that leftists lie in order to gain the favor of those they're lying to - your being afflicted with the same condition, blinds you to it in others. And 2) that fact that you don't actually read books, preferring to plagiarize what other people have said online, limits your ability to follow an issue from start to finish, and so understand what is actually going on.

I feel fo you. So here’s a handy online summary for you of a fellow named Rosenberg (you might want to substitute a combination of Jim Wallis, Arne Duncan and Kevin Jennings.

What Hitler appreciated in the Churches of Germany, was very similar to what Clinton, Jesse Jackson and President Obama, and all the rest, appreciate in their churches – not Christianity, but a focal point for pushing their leftist (and ultimately pagan… oops… I meant Green) agenda.

Afraid I'll have to break this up a bit....

12/02/2011 10:44:00 AM  
Blogger Van said...

(cont)

For those who do read, grab yourself a copy of William L. Shirer’s “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich", and read from pages 234-240. A couple quick highlights, bottom of pg. 237 & carrying over to 238:

“…On the eve of the elections of delegates to the synod which would elect the Reich Bishop, Hitler personally took to the radio to “urge" the election of “German Christians" whose candidate Mueller was. The intimidation was highly successful. Bodelschwingh in the meantime had been forced to withdraw his candidacy, and the “elections" returned a majority of “German Christians," who in September at the synod in Wittenberg, where Luther had first defied Rome, elected Mueller Reich Bishop.

But the new head of the Church, a heavy-handed man, was not able to establish a unified Church or to completely Nazify the Protestant congregations. On November 13, 1933, the day after the German people had overwhelmingly backed Hitler in a national plebiscite, the “German Christians" staged a massive rally in the Sportpalaast in Berlin. A Dr. Reinhardt Krause, the Berlin district leader of the sect, proposed the abandonment of the Old Testament, “with its tales of cattle merchants and pimps" and the revision of the New Testament with the teaching of Jesus “corresponding entirely with the demands of National Socialism." Resolutions were drawn up demanding “One People, One Reich, One Faith," requiring all pastors to take an oath of allegiance to Hitler and insisting that all churches institute the Aryan paragraph and exclude converted Jews. This was too much even for the timid Protestants who had declined to take any part in the church war, and Bishop Mueller was forced to suspend Dr. Krause and disavow him.

In reality the struggle between the Nazi government and the churches was the age-old one of what to render unto Caesar and what to God. So far the Protestants were concerned, Hitler was insistent that if the Nazi “German Christians" could not bring the evangelical churches into line under Reich Bishop Mueller then the government itself would have to take over the direction of the churches. He had always had a certain contempt for the Protestants, who, though a tiney minority in his native Catholic Austria, comprised two thirds of the citizens of Germany. “You can do anything you want with them," he once conficed to his aides. “They will submit… they are insignificant little people, submissive as dogs, and they sweat with embarrassment when you talk to them." He was well aware that the resistance to Nazification of the Protestant churches came from a minority of pastors and an even smaller minority of worshipers."


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12/02/2011 10:44:00 AM  
Blogger Van said...

(cont)

At the bottom of 238,
“On February 12, 1937, Dr. Zoellner resigned from the Church Committee – he had been restrained by the Gestapo from visiting Luebeck, where nine Protestant pastors had been arrested – complaining that his work had been sabotaged by the Church Minister. Dr. Kerrl replied next day in a speech to a group of submissive churchmen. He accused the vernerable ZOellner of ailing to appreciate the Nazi doctrine of Race, Blood and Soil, and clearly revealed the government’s hostility to both Protestant and Catholic churches."

Top of pg 239:
“’The party [Kerrl said] stands on the basis of Positive Christianity, and Positive Christianity IS National Socialism… National Socialism is the doing of God’s will… God’s will reveals itself in German blood… Dr. Zoellner and Count Galen [the Catholic bishop of Muenster] have tried to make clear to me that Christianity consists in faith in Christ as the Son of God. That makes me laugh… No, Christianity is not dependent upon the Apostle’s Creed… True Christianity is represented by the party, and the German people are not called by the party and expecially by the Fuehrer to a real CHristianity… The Fuehrer is the hearld of a new revelation.’"

And… ooh… wish I’d thought of googlebooks before I began typing, links to the bottom of pg240, and a few pages before and after, but particularly scroll up a bit to this:

“It would be misleading to give the impression that the persecution of Protestants and Catholics by the Nazi State tore the German people asunder or even greatly aroused the vast majority of them. It did not. A people who had so lightly given up their political and cultural and economic freedoms were not, except for a relatively few, going to die or even risk imprisonment to preserve freedom of worship. What really aroused the Germans in the Thirties were the glittering successes of Hitler in providing jobs, creating prosperity, restoring Germany’s military might, and moving from one triumph to another in his foreign policy. Not many Germans lost much sleep over the arrests of a few thousand pastors and priests or over the quarreling of the various Protestant sects. And even fewer paused to reflect that under the leadership of Rosenberg, Bormann and Himmler, who were backed by Hitler, the Nazi regime intended eventually to destroy Christianity in Germany, if it could, and substitute the old paganism of the early tribal Germanic gods and the new paganism of the Nazi extremists. As Bormann, one of the men closet to Hitler, said publicly in 1941, “National Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable."

What the Hitler government envisioned for Germany was clearly set out in a thirty-point program for the “National Reich Church" drawn up during the war by Rosenberg, an outspoken pagan, who among his other offices held that of “the Fuehrer’s Delegate for the Entire Intellectual and Philosophical Education and Instruction for the National Socialist Party." A few of its thirty articles convey the essentials:"


And you can see them in the link.

12/02/2011 10:45:00 AM  
Blogger Van said...

I won't bother trying to sum that up for you willian, trying to explain nazism to you would be like trying to tell you what air smells like, but, well for the rest who can, and do, read... it's kind of self explanatory.

12/02/2011 10:57:00 AM  
Blogger William said...

Note: Van has quoted from historian interpretations, which may certainly be valid. My quotes were from Hitler himself - which carry much more weight.

Like the bullshit claim that pseudo intellectual Jonah Goldberg makes that "Darwinism led to Nazism," such interpretations are nothing more than ideological masturbation ... which Goldberg always has his dickbrain in his hand.

Is that why the Nazis banned Darwin's books and rejected the idea that Aryans could have evolved from the lower orders of primates? Huh, Goldberg... 'Mr. Intellectual?'

Unlike Goldberg, real scholars like Robert Richards and Daniel Gasman have conclusively refuted the Hitler - Darwin BS.

Nazism was pseudo-scientific religious dogma, closely tied to the German religious culture of the time, which was almost entirely Catholic and Lutheran. Look at those quotes of Hitler again.

Nazism was a right-wing Christian Reich - founded primarily on a Christian supersessionist theology, no matter how you try to slice it for your self serving ends.

12/02/2011 11:40:00 AM  
Blogger Van said...

willian "My quotes were from Hitler himself - which carry much more weight."

Bill Clinton: "I did not have sex, with that woman... Monica Lewinsky."

When most (non-leftist) people grow up(!), they discover that a persons deeds say more about what they believe, than their words. Especially if that person is a politician... or a tyrant.

BTW willian, here's a tip - that historian, as part of documenting the actual history, recorded Hitler's words, along with his deeds. You could discover it for yourself... but of course... that'd require reading for yourself.

Fat chance, eh?

12/02/2011 11:51:00 AM  
Blogger Van said...

... not to mention thinking for yourself! HAH!

12/02/2011 11:52:00 AM  
Blogger Van said...

... and then... willian continues to quote Adolph Hitler, and not even from a private message, but from a speech, as a credible witness for his true and good intentions, having no plans whatsoever (other than his privately stated & written plans, and of course the actual fact that he did do just that) to transform all churches into pulpits for National Socialism with himself as the source of their new revelation... and with absolutely no intention of taking over the world, or anything else like that, honest... he wouldn't... I could show you more speeches where he swears he only want's a little more lebensraum. Honest.

Truly your stupidity is beyond all help.

12/02/2011 12:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Dietrich said...

It's rather amazing that liberals who have no trouble believing that George Bush is a theofascist can't wrap their minds around the fact that Hitler would lie about his utter hatred of Christianity, which he privately and openly regarded as no better than Judaism. Truly, there is no point in arguing with such a person, except to prove to oneself that absolute mental density exists.

12/02/2011 04:44:00 PM  
Anonymous O.J. said...

Dietrich, you're being a little rough on William. I mean, I actually know a guy who would have been falsely convicted of murder if not for twelve brave Williams who believed me and not the evidence.

12/02/2011 05:06:00 PM  
Blogger Van said...

Dietrich, thanks for putting what needed to be said so well... I couldn't stomach another reply.

12/02/2011 05:16:00 PM  
Blogger Van said...

O.J. said "...convicted of murder if not for twelve brave Williams who believed me and not the evidence."

JEWss!

;-)

12/02/2011 05:17:00 PM  
Blogger Gagdad Bob said...

I have no intention of reviving this appropriately dead thread except to point out how interesting it is that William demonstrates the truth of UF's point about demons being generated as a result of perverse will + imagination.

That is to say, he imagines that Nazism and Christianity are somehow compatible, by willfully insisting that Hitler was "pro-Christian," despite the fact that no minimally informed person would suggest such a thing. This legitimizes his prior hatred, and results in the demonic conservatives of his fevered imagination (in other words his hatred is the cause of his "truth," not vice versa).

This demon feeds on easily correctible lies, but since the demon is in control of the host, William is literally incapable of acknowledging that he is in error. Again: perverse will is in charge.

12/04/2011 08:06:00 AM  
Blogger Gagdad Bob said...

The process is identical to, say, anti-Semites who use the Protocols of Zion to justify their hatred of the evil Jew of their imagination. Not for nothing are it and Mein Kampf perennial bestsellers in the Islamic world, just as Noam Chomsky is the most papular author on college campuses. Notice how easily literacy is hijacked by the emotions.

12/04/2011 08:21:00 AM  
Blogger Gagdad Bob said...

And it goes without saying that he would insist that conservatives are only imagining the evils of the left. Admittedly, our case would be stronger if those 100 million or so corpses could speak.

12/04/2011 08:27:00 AM  

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