Tuesday, March 18, 2008

I AM, the One We've Been Waking For (3.28.09)

It was like watching people letting themselves be hypnotized for the greater glory not of Christ but of men. It was like watching a generation willing to continue their enslavement to a self-imposed definition of inferiority rather than rise up in the liberation of truth faith and equality. I saw not a hunger for the glory of God, but a thirsting after the glory of a race to the detriment of all others. How weak, I thought, and how shameful. A Christ triumphant would drive these race hustlers from His temple. --American Digest

Yesterday I mentioned that one of the reasons the left gives Obama a pass on his membership in a religious hate cult is the soft bigotry of low or no expectations for blacks. Of course they hate us. Of course they believe crazy things. Of course they seek solace in bizarre conspiracy theories.

However, another big reason is that the left doesn't take religion seriously except for any version of "conservative" Christianity, which it takes as a serious evil. All other religions are simply harmless or neutral, no matter how harmful, Obama's Trinity Church being a quintessential example. Spengler quotes James Cone, one of its most prominent "theologians":

"Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community.... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love."

Spengler notes that in his recent defense of Rev. Wright, Obama made reference to the "academic prominence" of Black Liberation Theology -- which, translated, means the indulgence of white leftist intellectuals. Ironically, this "faith in the white establishment is touching; [Wright] honestly cannot understand why the white reporters at Fox News are bothering him when the University of Chicago and the Union Theological Seminary have put their stamp of approval on black liberation theology." Of course, white leftists do not put their stamp of approval on Black Liberation Theology because it is theology, but because it is Black and Marxist.

All valid theology has to do with systematic distinctions between ego and Self on the one hand, and reality and illusion on the other. Ego is to illusion as Self is to reality. Human beings are uniquely and providentially situated in the cosmos so as to be naturally (horizontally) idolatrous but supernaturally (vertically) -- or "transnaturally" -- oriented to the Absolute. This is just another way of saying that human beings are mirrors of the Absolute, and potentially contain within themselves the entire scale of being, the whole existentialada.

For example, Schuon notes that the great Christian virtues, e.g., charity, humility, poverty, and childlikeness, have their final end in the transcendent Self, or in Christian terms, the nous. Each of these virtues represents a negation "of that ontological inflation which is the ego." Practice of them helps soften and dissolve this existential infarct that clogs up the arteries of being. Likewise, Christ represents "the Self holding out a hand to 'me'; man must lose his life, the life of the ego, in order to keep it, the life of the Self."

Black Liberation Theology precisely turns the cosmos upside down in the manner of all materialists -- which is another reason why it is embraced by left wing materialists. For it promises not any kind of universal transcendence of the ego, but a particular fulfillment of its demands for a "chosen" (in the pernicious, non-Judaic sense) people: "Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community." Here the "black community" is analogous to the rebellious ego, which makes its own demands on God: "If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him."

Shelby Steele writes of Obama that "a little race hatred seemed a small price to pay for a more secure racial identity," and that his tacit endorsement of "a mindless indulgence in a rhetorical anti-Americanism" represents "a way of bonding and of asserting one's blackness." Again, the source and outcome of this need are ego insecurity and "hardening," not spiritual aspiration and transcendence.

In genuine theology it is understood that "the world" -- and by extension, your very life -- are "on fire," so to speak. This is how many of Jesus' most extreme statements are to be taken -- as urgent calls to get a clue about the eternal order of existence, and to do something about it before it's too late. I would say "obviously," but I guess it's not, that Jesus was not referring to the political order of the world. Rather, he was speaking to Man as such about Existence as such -- not to this or that man in this or that situation.

But as Van der Leun notes in his essay today, it's easy to confuse the manacles we forge for ourselves with the ones given by others, and then rail against the others as a substitute for the universal call to transcendence. As Schuon writes, "the man who does not know that existence is an immense brazier has no imperative reason for wanting to get out of it" -- which is why the beginning of wisdom is the awe of God, not the hatred of white people, the latter attitude only plunging those who embrace it deeper into the flames.

I thought, watching these sermons, these crazed rants spouted in the name of God, "Don't they know.... Can't they see... They're not worshipping God or Christ, they are worshipping men.... racist men.... the very thing their forefathers suffered under and fought to get free of... and now they're back in the same place. --American Digest


Anonymous will said...

>>Obama made reference to the "academic prominence" of Black Liberation Theology -- which, translated, means the indulgence of white leftist intellectuals<<

I think it was white leftist intellectuals - spiritually corrupt Jesuits, to be specific - who initiated the modern concept of "Liberation Theology", applying it to the 3rd World revolutionary mvts. It was only a matter of time and the progressive dominos falling that it would become food for identity politics American-style.

Of course, it's all a matter of what leftism is about - it's "Christianity without Christ", which translates as a complete misunderstanding of the Gospels due to a complete lack of genuine spiritual wisdom and insight.

Actually, I believe the original Liberation Theologist was Judas, he who wished to convert Jesus into a revolutionary leader.

3/18/2008 09:01:00 AM  
Anonymous ximeze said...

After reading 'A Bound Man', have been waiting for Shelby to weigh in on recent developments

The Obama Bargain


3/18/2008 10:22:00 AM  
Anonymous hoarhey said...

What I found telling, but not surprising about the speech was that he pointed the finger of racism at everyone from the Founding Fathers to talk radio to his own Pastoral Mentor but never to himself and his personal motivation to associate with it for 20+ years.
A man either guilefully aware of his bigotry, or in total denial of it, is a scary individual to place in the highest elected position in the land.
Care to give us your spin Obamasupporter?

3/18/2008 11:48:00 AM  
Anonymous bob f. said...

Just picture the grin on Hillary's face about now...

3/18/2008 12:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Alan said...

Hoarhey: Good point - but he's calling out division in a unifying way ;-)

Come unify with him and there won't be any more division. By not unifying with him, you are de facto divisive.

Barack is a fool who takes us for the fools.

3/18/2008 12:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Sunya said...

You are correct that ego is illusion. Why then do you have a site dedicated to promoting and celebrating your non-existent ego?

3/18/2008 12:58:00 PM  
Blogger gumshoe said...

pass the tofu,sunya.

3/18/2008 01:00:00 PM  
Anonymous fm said...

When I think Obama and The Audacity of Dopes, his Insanity Chuch of the Anti-Christ, his Rev. Wrong, and Ignorance Theology, it seems to me that some of these hate filled "Black Churches" are the new low-profile American madrasas -- this hate shits gotta go. Maybe that's what will come out of all this (eventually.)

Some of these churches are the natural progression of the same freaks that are trying to take over Islam.

They're filling the minds of young men with anti-social behavior, and instead of Obama lecturing me on the my ills why doesn't he (as presidential timber)correct Wright's wrongs?

If you take your child to a chuch like Obama's, you should be brought up on child abuse charges.

Hopefully, this

3/18/2008 01:05:00 PM  
Blogger julie said...

This comment has been removed by the author.

3/18/2008 01:15:00 PM  
Anonymous hoarhey said...


Don't worry about it just yet. Just make plans to duct tape her to the wall come election day. No need to create dissent earlier than need be. ;*)

3/18/2008 01:23:00 PM  
Anonymous hoarhey said...


I had some killer moo goo gai pan at your place there in Seattle.

3/18/2008 01:25:00 PM  
Anonymous ObamaSupporter said...

Do you not think, despite any rhetorical mishaps on the part of Wright, that the black community has plenty of reason to feel strongly about America's problems of race which greatly effect their lives and have even more greatly effected the lives of those in their family history? Can we not get angry with our country, can we not challenge it to actually live up to its own ideals?

How do you compare Wright's comments to those common in the Christian pro-life movement that legal abortion is Genocide and comparable to the Holocaust? These people are expressing their view that the United States is allowing and partially facilitating an abhorrent crime on par with the worst of human history. It is rare , if not unheard of, that those people, and others[such as politicians] associated with them, get called Anti-American and hate-filled even though they are accusing the United States of a far worse crime.

3/18/2008 01:50:00 PM  
Anonymous hoarhey said...

Heh, "rhetorical mishaps", love it.
This country is however imperfectly living up to its ideals. Unfortunately, there are some among us who are following the playbook of the past and who are fomenting racism in this country. Reverend Wrong for one. The examples given and the moral equvalence assigned when Mr. Obama points the finger of racism at others are laughable. Listen again to the videos and tell me in all honest that there is ANYTHING comparable coming from the other side. That is if you can even find an other side.
And we're talking here about R_A_C_I_S_M, not the pro life movement.

3/18/2008 02:36:00 PM  
Anonymous ximeze said...


To date you've written some of the dumbest comments to ever appear on this site, & that's really saying something.

"rhetorical mishaps on the part of Wright"
has got to take the cake.

You did get one thing right: Blacks DO have reason to be really angry - at the likes of Jesse J, Al S & Calipso Louie F, who have lead them by the nose into shackles stronger than any of metal kind. Angrier yet at THEMSELVES for permitting it.

Face it: your Golden Boy has had his cover blown & about time too.

Dopes of whatever stripe get no sympathy from me.

3/18/2008 02:38:00 PM  
Anonymous hoarhey said...

Even the KKK (all 53 members)doesn't have the 'audacity of racism' that Obama's Pastoral Mentor conveys in explicit clarity in these videos. Videos that he is/was proudly hawking over the internet no less.
It's known as "as plain as the nose on your face" and until people are willing to call it for what it is, in whatever form it takes and reject it, nothing of substance will ever change.
Are you willing to call what Reverend Wright was preaching racist, or was it just a series of rhetorical mishaps?

3/18/2008 03:09:00 PM  
Anonymous hoarhey said...


Can you not see how trapped you are in the hope that Obama will win the presidency? Do you not see how it distorts your ability to see or admit things for what they are and speak from that place? The audacity of Truth will set you free!

3/18/2008 03:26:00 PM  
Anonymous ximeze said...

Whoa Julie - did you mean to delete comment 1:15?

Re Mom - there's always a pay-off/out to hanging on to being stuck. Dr Laura tries to get her callers to think what they DO get out of staying in that 'place' & what they risk losing if they change/let go of 'their' thing.

3/18/2008 03:27:00 PM  
Anonymous hoarhey said...

Did anyone else recognize the Muhammed Ali cadence to Wreverend Wrights Wrants?

3/18/2008 03:35:00 PM  
Anonymous ObamaSupporter said...

Can you not see how trapped you are in the FEAR that Obama will win the presidency?

I have yet to see anything that Wright has said that is racist. Some of it was over-the-top and some was simply inaccurate, but I haven't seen anything racist or anything that was particularly absurd.

perhaps you could quote or link to what you think is racist and why.

3/18/2008 03:37:00 PM  
Anonymous ximeze said...

Hey! I'm not thinking

Being female, I'm angry that my girlie-ancestorettes did not get the vote until 1920!!! That's a whole lot of generations since the original land-grant dating from the 1600's.

I ANGRY & you owe ME!

Hey, & they were WASCatholics - suffering such discrimination they felt it necessary to form their own state.

I ANGRY & you WASPs owe ME!

And how about my full-blood Italian grandfather, whose US birth-certificate did NOT say White. He often overheard comments about himself as 'that nasty colored-man with that lovely woman' while walking about in the summertime with my lily-white Irish/English grandmother. He tanned beautifully, while she turned into a lobster at the slightest hint of sun & always went about covered from head to toe.

I'm ANGRY & America OWES me!

3/18/2008 04:02:00 PM  
Anonymous ximeze said...

"perhaps you could quote or link to what you think is racist and why."

You've managed to top your prior already-beyond-stupidness with that one.

Give us more, O wise one.

3/18/2008 04:09:00 PM  
Blogger QP said...

Nice work Ximeze!
Highly recommended vid here for clearing the palette of wrightnoxiousness.

3/18/2008 04:15:00 PM  
Anonymous ObamaSupporter said...

One can be angry about systemic, historic problems, and the lack of progress on alleviating them, without believing that any particular individual(s) owe you anything.

And when people, black or otherwise, are treated unjustly, they are owed justice in some form or another.

And yes, how stupid of me to request quotation or citation of the subject under discussion.

3/18/2008 04:20:00 PM  
Anonymous hoarhey said...

BOsupporter said,

"I have yet to see anything that Wright has said that is racist. Some of it was over-the-top and some was simply inaccurate, but I haven't seen anything racist or anything that was particularly absurd."

And this is the exact reason why racism will continue in this country.

3/18/2008 04:31:00 PM  
Anonymous hoarhey said...

What color is that Kool-aid?

3/18/2008 04:34:00 PM  
Blogger julie said...

Ximeze, I did delete it on purpose; maybe I'm being overly cautious, but if I have to have a discussion with her about why I don't support Barry, I don't want it to come about because she came across something I said about her support. If she sees my other arguments, fine, but it's not fair to bring her into it without her knowledge, at least in my mind.

3/18/2008 04:38:00 PM  
Anonymous ObamaSupporter said...

Are you unable to quote or link to even one statements that you thought was racist? It should be simple if what he said was as outrageous as you seem to suggest.

3/18/2008 05:20:00 PM  
Anonymous ximeze said...

"And yes, how stupid of me to request quotation or citation of the subject under discussion."

Hello: see your 3:37
"but I haven't seen anything racist or anything that was particularly absurd."

All righty then, you've got your mind made up. Any quotations or citations furnished would fall under 3:37,

It's absurd to try to engage in any sort of meaningful discussion with someone as confused as you are.

3/18/2008 05:27:00 PM  
Anonymous x said...

Figured it was something like that. Wise call.

wv agrees: unrpm

3/18/2008 05:30:00 PM  
Anonymous ximeze said...

Now I'm x?


3/18/2008 05:33:00 PM  
Blogger Van said...

" hoarhey said...
Did anyone else recognize the Muhammed Ali cadence to Wreverend Wrights Wrants?"

Has anyone recognize the cadence of Algores "He plaaaayed on our feEARRRAAZZZZZ-ZUH!"

3/18/2008 05:37:00 PM  
Blogger Van said...

"Can you not see how trapped you are in the FEAR that Obama will win the presidency?"

Definitely. I'm terrified of it. You, being the bigot that you are, think that has something to do with the idiocy you'd consider worthy of consideration - skin tone or some equivalent.

The problem, is that he, his party, the ignorant lemmings chasing "Change!" over the cliffs, may end up gaining power. Power in the hands of uneducated fools, of bigots, or morons who actually 'think' it important to work towards one group or another receiving more ink and benefits from governmental favors and legislation than another - over and against the rights of all of its nations citizens - that is a horrifying thought on its own.

That they will also be in control of the most fearsome military power on the planet - to use, abuse, or refuse - such a thought could make an evening dining out with hannibal lecter, a far more pleasant thought.

3/18/2008 05:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Sunya said...

Its sadly ironic that in one breath you decry racism and in the next you shamelessly engage in it by responding to my post with crack about Chinese food because of some perceived quality of my name, though its not Chinese and I'm not from Seattle.

3/18/2008 05:50:00 PM  
Blogger Van said...

"rhetorical mishaps on the part of Wright"

Almost as laughable and stupid as Spitzer & Patterson saying that their repeated indiscretions were the result of 'faulty judgment'.

As if Judgment is like a flashlight with a loose lightbulb, that sometimes needs to be jiggled in order to turn the light back on.

Leftists - the victims of the excused bigotry of their own forlorn expectations.

3/18/2008 05:53:00 PM  
Blogger Van said...

obamabrownnoser said "I have yet to see anything that Wright has said that is racist. "

That apparently has something to do with your being stupid.

3/18/2008 05:57:00 PM  
Anonymous hoarhey said...


Everything Wright said, every clip the media has played revolves around the evil white race and the implication that the U.S. of KKKA and the caucasian race is inherently racist when reality, particularly modern reality, isn't even close to what he paints.
His afro-centic, neo-marxist church is race centered and basically has nothing to do with any type inclusivness or of transcendant Christanity.
He likens the black race to the Israelites and their escape from the bonds of slavery to the Egyptians. So we are to believe that black liberation theology is the new religion that we are to take from this? In his rants he states that Jesus was a poor black child living in the racist society of Rome, oppressed by the white Italians. We bombed The Japanese in WWII because of our racism. He is unable to discern ideals, the struggle of good against evil, from skin color or ethnic group and whips up racial hatred at every opportunity. Neither Christianity or the United States of America has anything to do with skin color or tribal loyalty when it comes to discernment of truth. THAT is what I call a racist in the mold of anyone the KKK has ever produced. The ever-present focus on physical characteristics and tribe over ideals. You may agree with the guy and that's is your perogative but I am telling you here and now, you are part of the problem and not part of the solution. If you are unable to see the racism in that, there is nothing I could ever say to point it out to you. You have either not heard the clips, or are blind to their implications.
The U.S. government has done what it can to right the wrongs of the past and now it is time for it to get out of the way and let people come together.
I am concerned by the prospect of a President Obama, but not afraid.
Millionaires such as Reverend Wright were seen and predicted long ago by people who were truly concerned with equality and good relations between the races and who really had something to bitch about, so this is nothing new.

"There is another class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs -- partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs." Booker T. Washington.

3/18/2008 06:34:00 PM  
Anonymous hoarhey said...

It was a joke Sunya, lighten up and extract the illusion of your ego. There is a Sun-Ya Chinese restaurant in Seattle in case you didn't know.
Just love it everytime these egoless beings get all bent out of shape. I'd suggest that rather than whittling down the ego, you work on thikening the skin. That or getting a sense of humor.

3/18/2008 06:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Sunya said...

So when you are racist, I should get a thicker skin, but when Wright or other black folk are racist they should be denounced.

Nice double standard.

3/18/2008 06:56:00 PM  
Anonymous hoarhey said...

I'm a racist for making a joke about a Chinese restaurant with your same name? Get over yourself and get a clue as to what racism really is.

3/18/2008 07:00:00 PM  
Blogger julie said...

"There is a Sun-Ya Chinese restaurant in Seattle in case you didn't know."

Ah, so that's what you were referring to. I didn't assume you were being racist, it just struck me initially as rather non-sequiter. Now, though, I think it's hilarious :)

From Trinity Church's Talking Points page:

"African-centered thought, unlike Eurocentrism, does not assume superiority and look at everyone else as being inferior."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that a bold statement of superiority over "Eurocentrism?"

3/18/2008 07:02:00 PM  
Anonymous hoarhey said...

So Wright is a racist eh?

3/18/2008 07:02:00 PM  
Blogger julie said...

Sunya, it's no different than if you came here with the handle "BK" and she asked about your flame-broiled burgers. Get over yourself.

3/18/2008 07:03:00 PM  
Anonymous hoarhey said...

The trivialization of what constitutes a racist and the inability to actually recognize one among Leftists absolutely astounds me.

And Sunya, my joke was meant to trivialize your first statement about the ego since I knew that just like all the other detractors who show up here with their platitudes, you never practice what you preach. And guess what? You've proven me right. ;^)

3/18/2008 07:12:00 PM  
Blogger Van said...

Sunya said "... So when you are racist, I should get a thicker skin, but when Wright or other black folk are racist they should be denounced..."

No. It means that when you are intent on being deliberately stupid, by choice, not out of diminished capacity, you should expect to be denounced for trying to pass off stupid statements as if they aren't stupid.

In other words, stop being stuck on stupid, you sanctimonious ass.

3/18/2008 07:14:00 PM  
Anonymous hoarhey said...

A short lesson to you in ideas vs. ethnicity. And you bit.

3/18/2008 07:14:00 PM  
Anonymous hoarhey said...

Now you can begin the difficult task Grasshoppah, of finding out why you look at everything in terms of ethnicity.
Sheeesh, gotta spell everything out.

3/18/2008 07:18:00 PM  
Anonymous ximeze said...

Now the dopes are rounding the bend..... it's nose to nose..... competition is fierce..... will one manage to pull ahead of the other before crossing the finish-line?

Keep at it you two. This is fun.

Are we placing bets?

3/18/2008 07:22:00 PM  
Anonymous integralist said...

I see Gagdad Bob and his Goons are at it again.

The level of consciousness of this place seems to have lowered a notch since last I was here.

The terribly ironic thing is that Robert Godwin's blog is a Hate Blog--hatred (and bigotry) for "Leftists."

Notice also how the usual and only real response to ANY disagreement is some variation of "Since you believe what I don't believe, you're obviously stoopid."

Come on, folks.

And a quick question: Is the USA NOT controlled by "rich white people"? And is it racist to say so? I think not. Notice that Wright, at least in the video linked below, isn't talking about "white people" but "RICH white people."


3/18/2008 07:27:00 PM  
Blogger Gecko said...

Obama's Trinity United Church of Christ is the tip of the iceberg in regards to this far reaching Marxist infiltrated organization that has taken over many Congregational churches in this country and aiming to include (take over) others. Sigh.


3/18/2008 07:33:00 PM  
Anonymous cousin Dupree said...

If you feel your life is controlled by "rich white people" -- a sentiment that has never occurred to me -- there are far more wealthy white contributors to the Democrat party than there are to the Republican party, which has many more small donors.

3/18/2008 07:42:00 PM  
Anonymous hoarhey said...

Hey it's our buddy! Just couldn't stay aeay. Get it straight, it's troglodytes which is a step down from goons.

3/18/2008 07:55:00 PM  
Anonymous ximeze said...

Inty! Is that really YOU???

Where ya been bubba? Ya skulked away over a year ago.

Whhhhaaaaat? Just couldn't say goodbye? Hoping we were still talking about ya after all this time?

Still pissy, I see.

Joan of Argghh said it perfectly after you left:

We sooooo OWNED Inty


3/18/2008 07:57:00 PM  
Anonymous hoarhey said...

I'm hoping America is waking up to that morning breath Michelle Obama spoke of awhile back.

3/18/2008 07:59:00 PM  
Anonymous hoarhey said...

"The level of consciousness of this place seems to have lowered a notch since last I was here."

Happened as soon as you stepped in.

Oh, and since it's RICH white people, nevermind, all racism is erased.

3/18/2008 08:03:00 PM  
Anonymous ximeze said...

"Robert Godwin's blog is a Hate Blog"

I'm crushed! Does that mean you don't love us anymore?

You'll just call us Goons & not respect us in the morning.

Say it isn't so!

3/18/2008 08:06:00 PM  
Anonymous hoarhey said...


When you speak of RICH white people are referring to Obama's puppetmaster benefactors George Soros and Perter Lewis? Or are they cool?

3/18/2008 08:11:00 PM  
Blogger NoMo said...

Black, white, rich, poor, victimizer, victim, and here we are back at ENVY again. Damn you, ENVY, and the snake you rode in on!

3/18/2008 09:20:00 PM  
Anonymous tsebring said...

I bet Jim Wallis was nodding his head in absolute agreement with every word Rev Righteous said.

3/18/2008 09:27:00 PM  
Anonymous hoarhey said...

The Gagdad Goon Squad has a nice ring to it. ;*)

3/18/2008 10:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Old Yeller said...

Whenever I want to kick the dog, I check in to this site. If the comment meter is above oh, 30, I read the post so I can understand whazzup with the rancor sure to follow. Then comes the fun, opening it up to see um...Will's repeated rejoinders? Dilys? Magnus? Maybe a plethora of barbed, juvenile haiku? Naw, it's old Jorge every time, unless the armed forces have been drinking. Or Van is pissed about work. Ex-im-easy, you da man, woe-man! Always room for more in the bunker! Yes inty, this is a hate blog for many of the regulars who are held spellbound by the soft bigotry of Bob's "spiritual ascendence" rhetoric.

It's amazing how coming here for some of Bob's insights spiced up with the skanky pepper of the "regulars" always makes me feel better about myself. Thanks again, folks.

One final thought, now that I'm once again getting a whiff of the giant black and white "W" still proudly displayed on the ass-end of this blog:


3/19/2008 04:32:00 AM  
Blogger Van said...

inty said "Notice that Wright, at least in the video linked below, isn't talking about "white people" but "RICH white people.""

Why did I have a feeling that you'd be uncloaking soon? But why the half cloak? Why not come out as true & blue nagarjuna?

As Hoarhey noted, interesting that you have no problem with racism as long as it is sanctified by some class warfare as well. Still the disintegralist at heart.

3/19/2008 05:50:00 AM  
Blogger Van said...

oy said "Or Van is pissed about work."

Got to have a strong appreciation for good comedy. Someone who feels better about himself by reading comments he disagree's with - how revealing.

Still laughing, oy, and with material like that, occasionaly ROFLOL.

3/19/2008 05:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Johan said...

No no no Old Yeller, you got it all wrong.

I actually visit this blog because I hope You should be here to correct this lost souls with all your splendid wisdom!

Now, please crawl back to where you use to hide from sunshine.

Johan, Sweden

3/19/2008 06:47:00 AM  
Anonymous hoarhey said...


The jackass has returned under the new name old yeller. Pathetic loser that he is he can't resist putting in the mating call at the end. You really ought to get that checked out.

3/19/2008 08:32:00 AM  
Anonymous old yeller said...

Yes Van, it's an interesting habit I picked up, that of checking my own values against those I disagree with then weighing them for their relative merits. Often I decide I like those other values as well as or better than my own, which points up the need to "grow". "Change". Concepts you may remember from back when you didn't already know everything. Some might ROFL at the idea. Some might poke sharp sticks at puppies. Whatever tilts your chair back.

I'm clear on what I get out of this site and why. Generally I like the comments section when it hits, as I said, 30 or so. That's when it becomes entertaining as opposed to educational. Something I learned by watching the regulars over time rather than playing along: There's no shortage of knowledge on this site, and I get a good measure each time I come. Which is often. For a long time I came for wisdom. My mistake.

As you were, soldier.

Hey Jorge:

So that turns you on, huh? Interesting.

3/19/2008 08:42:00 AM  
Blogger Van said...

oy said "...It's amazing how coming here for some of Bob's insights spiced up with the skanky pepper of the "regulars" always makes me feel better about myself... "

I said "Someone who feels better about himself by reading comments he disagree's with - how revealing."

to which oy replied "...an interesting habit I picked up, that of checking my own values against those I disagree with then weighing them for their relative merits..."

Oh oy, there is a world of difference between being amused by the comments or even conflicts of others - and feeling better about yourself because of the comments or conflicts of others. Gives new meaning to your hee haw, and it has nothing to do with seeking knowledge through opposing views.

You don't come for wisdom, and it certainly shows (oh, and I don't really know everything, its just that when compared to you, it seems that way).

Always as you were hee haw.

Still laughing... shaking my head in amazement too, but still laughing.

3/19/2008 09:06:00 AM  
Anonymous hoarhey said...


You can count as high as 30 or so?

3/19/2008 09:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Old Yeller said...

Thanks Van. I can always count on you to create a logical argument. I did forget to say why coming here makes me feel better. Apparently unlike most of the regulars here, I sometimes experience self-doubt. Sometimes it even gets the better of me and I begin to think I'm just not smart enough. Guys like Bob don't bother me; they have their own broken guardrails to watch for. I am more concerned with the run-of-the-mill bright folks. I just want to know my box has the necessary tools for the jobs I'm bidding on. Tuning into the comments section and seeing a couple of days' worth of upper 30's or better is a sure sign that relief is at hand. You guys never let me down. I consistently check in and find bright, even overly bright, people acting like plain old...well, jerks and idiots. Brainless juveniles. Better even, because you use such big words while you're spewing your juvenalia. If a guy as smart as you can act and sound like a moron, then that's as good as a bouquet of flowers on my table. I can go back to my daily grind, whatever it is, and be glad that no matter how dumb I am, I'm smarter than that. Hey. It's relativism at its finest. Looks like we've got a symbiotic thing going here. Just don't read anything too "earthy" into it like brother Hoaray's doing. I think I'm beginning to understand why he's always at his computer...

Thanks again, and keep up the good work.

Your friend,

OY. (I like it!)


3/19/2008 10:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Cousin Dupree said...

It's spelled "juvenilia," Einstein.

3/19/2008 10:11:00 AM  
Blogger Van said...

oy said "Thanks Van. I can always count on you to create a logical argument."

Oh, that's ok, I know not to expect any logic arguments from you.

3/19/2008 10:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Old Yeller said...

Cussin Dupe,
So you say, shadowman. Talk about your bizarre reasons for putting in appearances on this site...

And that's "Aynstein", bobblehead.

Good one!

Your pal, OY.

3/19/2008 10:27:00 AM  
Anonymous ximeze said...

It must be really great to have confidence that you're smarter than the bouquet of flowers on your table.

Now there's a goal we should all get behind.

3/19/2008 10:36:00 AM  
Anonymous hoarhey said...


You keep messin' with that mule during the daily grind, you're liable to get kicked in the head. Again.

3/19/2008 10:58:00 AM  
Anonymous marimoishe said...

And a quick question: Is the USA NOT controlled by "rich white people"?

Hi, inty. Since nobody else seems to have stepped up to the plate, I've got a short list for you:

Colin Powell.
Condoleezza Rice.
Clarence Thomas.
David Paterson.
Oprah Winfrey.
Chris Gardner.
And of course a whole slew of people currently serving in the U.S. Congress, including but hardly limited to Senator Barack Obama.

NOTE: This particular list is made up only of African-Americans. I have deliberately left out scores of talented athletes and entertainers who make more money in a month than I'll ever see in my life. Nor have I listed the many distinguished contributors to science, education, literature, media, politics, entertainment, athletics and law who have passed away. (I promised you a *short* list.)

Answer: if the USA is controlled by "rich white people," you surely can't prove it by me.

3/21/2008 01:48:00 AM  

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