Friday, July 04, 2008

Declare Independence From Your Genes: Darwinist Sons of Apes vs. the Children of Light

Evolutionism is the very negation of the archetypes and consequently of the divine Intellect; it is therefore the negation of an entire dimension of the real, namely that of form, of the static, of the immutable; concretely speaking, it is as if one wished to make a fabric of the wefts only, omitting the warps. --F. Schuon

This is not a post, unless it turns out to be one. But it just occurred to me that perhaps this dispute between Raccoons and Darwinists is a result of both parties being in the right, at least insofar as the Darwinian theory applies to those who adopt it and thereby cash in their humanness. In other words, as I have mentioned on a number of occasions, Darwinism does seem to adequately explain the simple mind of the Darwinist, just as it does any other animal. After all, a "reduced mind" would apparently call for a reductionistic explanation. Or at least that's one way of looking at it.

I should hope no Darwinist takes offense at what I am about to say. Certainly they shouldn't, being that I am fully conceding the truth of their theory as it applies to them. So there's no need to be offended unless you just can't take yes for an answer. I am only saying that your theory doesn't apply to me. Nor does it apply to other Children of Light -- only to you self-professed children of apes and monkeys.

Let me back up a bit, and point out that there is an esoteric doctrine that touches on this issue. Actually, I wouldn't so much call it a "doctrine" as a sort of midrash that uses a mythological story to explain an existential situation. No Raccoon needs to be reminded that this situation exists, for we must deal with it every day, living here on this Planet of the Apes. We try not to complain about it. It is what it is.

I see that I wrote a post about this a couple of years ago, so I'll just summarize some of that material here, before continuing with this line of thought below:

There is a rabbinical tradition that attempts to read between the lines of scripture to discern its hidden -- and much deeper -- meaning. In so doing, the rabbi will invent a midrash to illuminate and flesh out a given passage. These are often full of paradox, puns, wordplay and other midwascally wabbitorahcal devoices, almost like zen koans. They are the earliest guffah-ha experiences of which I am aware, Jews having developed a finely honed sense of humor very early on.

Sometimes a midrash is necessary when you encounter a couple of Biblical passages that seem to outwardly contradict each other; the midrash then provides an "interior" reconciliation, so to speak.

I have always been intrigued by the fact that Genesis tells two very different versions of the creation of man. Most people seem to just skim over this inconsistency, but perhaps God is trying to tell us something. Perhaps we need a midrash to reconcile the two. In short, we need a way to reconcile the existence of Lizards, kos kids, Darwinists, Marxists, and other self-professed sons of apes, with Raccoons and other Children of Light. It really comes down to trying to find a way to accommodate the horizontaloids into the wider human world on their own terms, and preserving their culture, so to speak. We certainly mean them no harm. We just want to understand them. And help them, if at all possible.

As it is, we already provide them with government-supported reservations for the more disabled among them to carry on their ways and worship their primitive gods, i.e., universities and institutional journalism. Perhaps they need more social services, for example, an early intervention program to assist a Child of Light who is cruelly being raised by Darwinist parents. Such a child will have his human potential crushed, unless his soul is particularly robust and able to break out of their parental and cultural programming. Many wasted lives -- not to mention, eternities -- could be avoided with such a humane approach.

Anyway, enough modest proposals. Back to the midrash. The "Orthodox Christian esoterist" (I don't know what else to call him) Boris Mouravieff had an interesting way of reconciling the two passages. That is, he felt that they were not referring to the same event, but to two distinctly different ones. In the pre-Adamic account in Genesis 1:27, both man and woman are created simultaneously. But in the second version in Genesis 2:7, God forms man “out of the dust of the ground,” and more importantly, “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life” so that he became a truly “living being” with a divine spark within. It is this divine spark that makes all the difference.

You might say that God first created “horizontal man” who is capable only of biological or Darwinian growth. But he then corrected this deficiency by creating “vertical man” who is capable of spiritual evolution. This new kind of man -- who had had a living soul breathed into him -- essentially looks like his earlier cousins (although close inspection of the eyes often gives the game away), but “possessed in a latent state a potential that the purely animal world does not possess, that of passing on to the human and even superhuman stages of development."

In short, God created a vertical being who transcends horizontality, or genetic programming, while nevertheless remaining "in" the world. We're not talking about angels here -- who are purely vertical beings -- nor are we talking about Darwinists, Lizards, or Marxists -- who are purely horizontal -- but a highbred being who lives at the crossroads of the horizontal and vertical.

Before you get all high and mighty, bear in mind that this was all prior to the Fall, and much subsequent miscegenation between the randy Children of Light and the daughters of the earth. “Pursuing the mirage of temporal goods,” Adam and Eve lost touch with the higher intellectual center through which they had enjoyed direct contact with God: “The beauty of the daughters of men did the rest. Adam turned away from his real ‘I’ and identified with his personality” (Mouravieff).

So, the question is, is the planet still inhabited by two kinds of people, Children of the Light and sons and daughters of the earth?

The question answers itself, does it not? Can’t you tell when you’re in the presence of the latter? Is it just me, or when you look into their eyes, don’t you see something roughly halfway between animal and human? A coarse and vital being who does not know transcendence, and therefore cannot help owing his primary allegiance to the mamamaya that birthed him, i.e., Eve, or matter? (Again, matter is etymologically linked to matrix ["womb"] and maternal.) Darwinists do indeed spring from the womb of matter, again, by their own insistence. There is no Father-principle at all, i.e., "fertilization by the Word," which is the essential ingredient for the birth of a True Man, or Child of Light.

Another way of saying it is that there are "Children of Eve" and "Children of the Virgin." The former spring from the darkness of the earth, while the latter can claim divine parentage "through adoption." For in the end, we obviously aren't really talking about any kind of simultaneously goofy and sinister genetic determinism that condemns a man to be a Darwinist ape. Rather, the latter is a self-imposed condition that they choose because of an insane intellectual pride, a kind of hypertrophied narcissism, that has the effect of severing man from the pre-existent wisdom represented by the Virgin, or our non-genetic clueprint.

"Bob, I’m still a little uncomfortable with your division of humankind into two different species. Isn't that the road to genocide?"

Here’s a banal example. You tell me if you simply disagree with this man, or if you might as well belong to a different species:

The New Yorker calls Peter Singer, the world’s “most influential living philosopher.” It is Singer’s belief that “middle class families in the United States have a moral obligation to pay 33 percent of the first $30,000 they make to combat poverty around the globe.” After the first $30,000, they should pay 100 percent. He explicitly rejects the theory of property rights as an "unacceptable ethical view," and argues that certain animals are "persons" that have “the same special claim to be protected” as humans. He also maintains that infanticide is in some cases morally obligatory (Larry Arn, in a special edition of the Hillsdale College Imprimus).

Singer would undoubtedly find my allegory of two kinds of humans to be repellant. This is because, like all radical secularists, he knows that there are actually no humans. For equating animals and humans does not elevate animals so much as denigrate human beings. Or at least those of us into whom God breathed a living soul.

In point of fact, it is the radical Darwinists who explicitly wish to commit spiritual genocide against our kind. Radical secularists are clearly waging an all-out assault on the religious foundations of America, and trying to efface any link between our nation and the transcendent principles it was founded upon. I believe it is an act of child abuse to convince a child that he is nothing but a Darwinian animal. Richard Dawkins believes I will be committing child abuse by giving my son a religious education. There's not much middle ground there.

It is not so much that the idiotic Darwinists are killing us in a direct manner, but that they are doing everything within their power to destroy the habitat in which the Raccoon lives, moves, and breathes. With every passing year, more territory is inhabited by the lower humans, which crowds us out. I'm sure that many of you are aware of the fact that, had it not been for the development of the internet, Raccoons would by now be nearly completely isolated from one another, unable to even find one another in order to reproduce -- both spiritually and genetically. In the case of Mrs. G. and myself, we have one Raccoon child, but we do sometimes wonder how he is going to be able to find one of his kind, and carry on the line. Will our Raccoon line end with him? Probably not, for there is always grace.

So, my dear, deluded Darwinists, declare independence from your genetic programming today, become a freeborn Man, and join the Children of Light in our revelationary struggle against the sons of apes! For,

Transformist evolutionism is the classical example of the bias that invents “horizontal” causes because one does not wish to admit a “vertical” dimension: one seeks to extort from the physical plane a cause that it cannot furnish and that is necessarily situated above matter....

Revelation coincides with the recollection of the Wisdom previously acquired, but transitorily 'forgotten' through the fact of incarnation.... once the human support is ready and has attained a degree of perfection, the Logos descends upon him and dwells in him, just as light automatically dwells on a clear and smooth surface....
--F. Schuon

38 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does Environmental's Theory of Protected Species dispute Darwin's Theory of Evolution?

If yes, are Environmental's engaging in anti-science?

If no, is Darwinism dead?

7/04/2008 09:13:00 AM  
Blogger Gagdad Bob said...

Everything disputes Darwinism. It is just that, as Roger Kimball points out, Darwinists absurdly declare insurmountable categorical and principial demonstrations of falsehood to be mere "difficulties." But they only do this because they assume a naturalistic paradigm at the outset, a paradigm that cannot be deduced or even justified on the basis of Darwinism.

7/04/2008 09:19:00 AM  
Anonymous dloye said...

Scary.. I thought I understood Schuon. The "reconciling" of the two stories of creation of man... and the last quote from Schuon...sort of like the lost chord? The great Amen. But more likely I didn't understand at all. Oh well. Something shiny over here... toddling off.

7/04/2008 10:16:00 AM  
Blogger Robin Starfish said...

This is not a post, unless it turns out to be one.

a post for raccoons
not so much for darwinists
invisible fence

down in the easy
gator shoes and gospel blues
bump up bourbon street

7/04/2008 10:26:00 AM  
Blogger Van said...

OMG (aka:SynCoonisity)
I'd just scribbled down the thought I'd been chasing, the missing link that helps my next post come together, and find that its essentially the polisci end of the same point in todays OC post.

Hoping to have the time to put it up later today, "Liberal Fascism: The Pitchfork in the Tree of Liberty"

7/04/2008 10:42:00 AM  
Blogger Gagdad Bob said...

Well, I'd rather live with other Raccoons in a crowded attractor than to have it denied altogether by the scientistic totalitarians.

7/04/2008 10:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Alan said...

Happy Independence Day to all Raccoons!

For those who have ever read David Icke's conspiracy theories, the "reptilians" he focuses on could be what Bob here discusses as those stuck in the non-human state, the daughters of man. Perhaps the LGF Lizards are better named than anyone thought?!?

I'd be surprised if many here read Icke's books but I did because I probably something from everyone in the new age pan-me-on at one point.

God Bless America!

7/04/2008 01:23:00 PM  
Anonymous coonified said...

"Is it just me, or when you look into their eyes, don’t you see something roughly halfway between animal and human?"

Yes, but it's not just the eyes, though they are the central "window to the soul." The whole body tells a story; the way that the face is shaped; where the center of conscious attention is situated; behavior and habits; the underlying context of their conversations; and their eschatological views, which are almost always the apocalyptic type, "we're all going to die soon. We can only go on so long." (Well, I agree)

Just take a look at that reptilian Peter Singer in contrast with with, say, Vernon Howard . Notice how the 'attractor beam' between the eyes, the so called third eye of spiritual vision, has become manifest in his face. Most people would never notice.

So, it's not just the act of observing the behavior of a highly evolved being that's beneficial to our own development, but also our observance of their bodies too, and how we're differ in relation to them.

(I was going to write more, but I have to go to work. To be continued...maybe)

7/04/2008 01:38:00 PM  
Anonymous jwm said...

...lemme see if I can pull this off. I saw it in a cartoon.

Americanism, and its Enemies
From BabbaZee's site. Article by David Gelernter, a frequent guest of Dennis Prager. Excellent stuff to ponder on this Indepndence day.

JWM

7/04/2008 03:29:00 PM  
Blogger NoMo said...

"It really comes down to trying to find a way to accommodate the horizontaloids into the wider human world on their own terms, and preserving their culture, so to speak. We certainly mean them no harm. We just want to understand them. And help them, if at all possible." A critical point and a primary differentiator. There is a vast difference between our desire to help them for THEIR sake, versus their desire to help us for THEIR sake. The difference is LOVE.

7/04/2008 04:09:00 PM  
Blogger Gagdad Bob said...

"The empty and arbitrary world of atheism is far closer to the Muslim universe than the Biblical world, in which God orders the world out of love for humankind, so that we may in freedom return the love that our creator bears for us. Atheism is an alternative to Islam closer to Muslim habits of mind than the love-centered world of Judaism and Christianity" (Spengler).

7/04/2008 04:28:00 PM  
Blogger NoMo said...

May raccoons all get behind the ritual of this very special day. Happy Independence Day to all!

7/04/2008 04:49:00 PM  
Blogger USS Ben USN (Ret) said...

Terrific. Now John can put links into the comments which means I'm on my own in my ignorance of linky knowledge.

Sigh.

But I'm happy for you John...sorta. :^)

Happy Independence Day!!!

Funny thing happened to me last night (okay, it wasn't funny as in humorous, but funny as in WTF? OVER!).

I lost my internet connection and this little box said "Device does not exist. Reconfigure blah blah blah."

Huh? Never saw that before. Okie dokey then...

So I try to go back online and I keep getting this little box saying the same thing.

Well, Patti is asleep so I try a virus scan, and a disc defrag, and a reboot...nada, nada, zilch...
just that same little box.

Crap!

Every good husband knows not to wake his wife up for something so trivial, although it wasn't trivial to me.

To me this was a matter of rational security. The future of the entite RaccoonOsphere was in danger of a major meltdown!

Or maybe I was projecting a wee bit of exageration, but this was a crucial issue to someone...surely...

They NEED me, I thought.

But nothin' worked. So I tried to use my Raccoon powers to wake Patti up with my mind.

Unfortunately, I had temporarily lost my powers. The forces of darkness were workin' overtime in a concerted effort to stop me from connectin' to my fellow super...um...Raccoon band of brothers and sisters.
The Dynamic Den of Dogooders was closed off to me.

I was on my own. I could only hope that my compatriots were spared the brutality and isolation I experienced from this craven attack, perpetuated by a mystery villain (or perhaps several mystery villains).

Next, I entered the dream world, in an attempt to coonmunicate, send a warning, and muster the nightshift reserves.

Instead I dreamed I was in ancient China with Jackie Chan, fighting off a rogue army bent on taking the Emperors life.
The Emperor was Bob. For some reason no one found it odd that Bob isn't Chinese.

Anyway, then it got weird, 'cause I noticed these assassins had black, lifeless eyes. And they never blinked.

Jackie was doin' his funny stunts and I told him to stop clowning around, until after we saved Bob, but I don't think he understood my english.

As soon as we defeated the vast hordes of black-eyed goons I woke up, feelin' somewhat exhausted, and put some java on.

Then I told Patti about the little box, and she rolled her eyes and said "what did you do?"

Nothin', I replied. Really.

So she checked it out, and verified there was indeed a little white box that said all the BS I told you about.

"I never seen that before," she said.

Damn! What now? I thought. That ain't a good sign.

To make a long comment somewhat shorter, she took Netscape off the 'puter and put it back on again, and voila! Now it works again!

I'm back in the saddle again! Hooray!
Ow! Sorry, I feeel like I was fightin' all night, or mornin'...whatever.

Once again the Raccoons stand victorious, and I'm glad to see that the Empor...I mean, Bob, is okay. :^)

7/04/2008 05:34:00 PM  
Blogger Gagdad Bob said...

Wow, that's a pretty impressive dream. And accurate. As it so happens, I was born a poor Chinese child.

Last night I only dreamt about Bill Cosby, Art Pepper, and Mose Allison.

7/04/2008 05:49:00 PM  
Blogger USS Ben USN (Ret) said...

What are the odds our dream's would be so similiar? LOL!

7/04/2008 05:56:00 PM  
Anonymous ximeze said...

There's a special place in heaven for our Founding FATHERS - highbred beings who lived at the crossroads of the horizontal and vertical. Was it possible then to calculate the value of what they were giving us, what fiber optic threads they were setting in motion with their transference of Light?

I began today by rereading their extraOrdinary clueprints, fertilized by the Word:
The Declaration of Independance
The US Constitution
The Bill of Rights

Next, stories about and video of the 1,215 Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines who raised their right hands and committed to a combined 5,500 years of additional service during the largest reenlistment ceremony in the history of the American military. In the rotunda of a Saddam Palace while most Americans probably slept this morning, the oath was administered by Gen. David Petraeus, who told those assembled that it is “impossible to calculate the value of what you are giving to our country . . . For no bonus, no matter the size, can adequately compensate you for the contribution each of you makes as a custodian of our nation’s defenses.”

On to:
Reflection Day
These two truths should be self-evident.
by Victor Davis Hanson 7/4/08
part of which reads:

"We live in the most prosperous and most free years of a wonderful republic, and can easily rectify our present crises that are largely of our own making and a result of the stupefying effects of our unprecedented wealth and leisure. Instead of endless recriminations and self-pity — of anger that our past was merely good rather than perfect as we now demand — we need to give thanks this Fourth of July to our ancestors who created our Constitution and Bill of Rights, and suffered miseries beyond our comprehension as they bequeathed to us most of the present wealth, leisure, and freedom we take for granted."

And now here to today's OC post, where Bob discusses the division of humankind into two different species. IM notso HO only the spoiled, blind, willfully obtuse, or down-right stupid could fail to discern the difference between O-breathed Sons of Adam & their mamamaya birthed cousins Children of Eve.

Pitting the pathetic Peter Singer against the Founder's clueprints, that July 4th reenlistment ceremony & VDH's essay makes a picture just too absurd to cOOntemplate.

Don't worry about Future Leader, our very own FF Children of Light sent in motion threads of Light that have given the world the internet. We could say it's Real function is to ensure Raccoons will not be completely isolated from one another, and are able to find one another in order to reproduce -- both spiritually and genetically.

Coongrats & thanks to all True Children of Light, past, present & future. A grateful Nation of Raccoons Everywhere honor thee.

7/04/2008 06:13:00 PM  
Blogger Gagdad Bob said...

"About the Declaration there is a finality that is exceedingly restful. It is often asserted that the world has made a great deal of progress since 1776, that we have had new thoughts and new experiences which have given us a great advance over the people of that day, and that we may therefore very well discard their conclusions for something more modern. But that reasoning can not be applied to this great charter.

If all men are created equal, that is final. If they are endowed with inalienable rights, that is final. If governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, that is final. No advance, no progress can be made beyond these propositions. If anyone wishes to deny their truth or their soundness, the only direction in which he can proceed historically is not forward, but backward toward the time when there was no equality, no rights of the individual, no rule of the people. Those who wish to proceed in that direction can not lay claim to progress. They are reactionary. Their ideas are not more modern, but more ancient, than those of the Revolutionary fathers." --Calvin Coolidge

Note that "progressive" Darwinists necessarily fall into the category of the backward and reactionary.

7/04/2008 06:25:00 PM  
OpenID thomism said...

I've wondered for a while now whether Metaphysical Darwinism (i.e. you can get something out of nothing) could have been avoided if St. Augustine had known about the theory of evolution- which is a rather clever account of how we can get new species.

Augustine could have wove the theory into Genesis somehow, the Reformers would have taken it the wrong way, and in the end they would have insisted that Genesis can ONLY be read as an evolutionary account... Doesn't the text show that Man came to be last, after a long progression of natural forms, ascending from the lower to the higher forms? Doesn't the text say that man came from "slime"? Don't men arrive at the 11th hour to the world, fully formed with all its species, etc?

Evolution would then be seen as stupid fundamentalist nonsense, or every time we found a new fossil that never changed it would be viewed as a secret threat to Christianity- after all, it's proof that species don't change, right? How can the Christian account that all ascended from the lowest to the highest be true?

The sorts of sophistical tricks that metaphysical Darwinism plays could have been foisted on any scientific theory: assuming that natural causes are the only causes; assuming that any cause in addition to nature must compete with nature or diminish it; the idea that the lesser can produce the greater; straw man ideas of the soul or of God, etc.

7/04/2008 06:45:00 PM  
Blogger Gagdad Bob said...

Thomism:

Good point. Now that I think about it, the first version of Genesis is almost a "horizontal," or evolutionist account of man, in that he does indeed come last.

But the second account is more of a vertical one, in that man is created before there are even plants or herbs.

The deeper understanding is, of course, the vertical one, in that the lower animals are "descended" from man, as they must be, being that man is absolute -- or, to be precise, a mirror of the Absolute that can never be surpassed by horizontal evolution. If Darwinists are capable of speaking truth, then they cannot be surpassed by further evolution, and Darwinism is thereby falsified.

7/04/2008 06:59:00 PM  
Anonymous ximeze said...

Lovely & gracious messesge left by Johan the Cosmic Swede at the end of yesterday's comments - which I missed entirely, so I'm reproducing it here is case others missed it too.

"Johan said...
Coongratulations to all the Raccoons, trolls, and all you citizens of the gratest nation on earth, it's your Independece Day!

Today I will have a Bud after work.

7/04/2008 03:57:00 AM
Johan said...
"Independence Day"... (arggh!)"

Thanks Johan!

7/04/2008 07:05:00 PM  
Blogger Gagdad Bob said...

I saw that comment by Johan -- I hope he appreciates how humbled we are!

7/04/2008 07:12:00 PM  
Blogger USS Ben USN (Ret) said...

That is an excellent way to celebrate our Liberty, Ximeze!
Thanks for reposting Johan's comment from this mornin' too! :^)

Thanks Johan! You ain't called "cosmic" for nothin'!

7/04/2008 07:42:00 PM  
Blogger USS Ben USN (Ret) said...

I totally cooncur with Calvin (what a cool name for a President, BTW)!
Truth of that nature, which is to say Absolute Truth, cannot be surpassed.

7/04/2008 07:50:00 PM  
Blogger Van said...

I always did like silent Cal.

7/04/2008 09:28:00 PM  
Blogger Van said...

Never did have another free moment from then till now... well... that may not be the best choice of words today. I had nothing but Free moments, from then till now, which have been spent celebrating what the Founders did 232 years ago.

But next to what those American soldiers did in sadam's palace... well, from another context,

"But in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate... we can not consecrate... we cannot hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead who struggled here, have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract."

Thank God for them, and the land that makes them possible, and to all those who recognize it as well - this Bud (well... Sam Adams) is for you Johan - and all the rest of us out there in the coonosphere - Happy Independence Day!

7/04/2008 09:39:00 PM  
Blogger Jim said...

Here is the oath those brave young souls said today in Saddam’s palace:

I DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR (OR AFFIRM) THAT I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC; THAT I WILL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE SAME; AND THAT I WILL OBEY THE ORDERS OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE ORDERS OF THE OFFICERS APPOINTED OVER ME, ACCORDING TO REGULATIONS AND THE UNIFORM CODE OF MILITARY JUSTICE. SO HELP ME GOD.

Like most truly important documents it is short and to the point, and changes your life for the rest of your life. (I wonder how the ACLU has missed the reference to God)

7/04/2008 10:53:00 PM  
Anonymous jwm said...

Ben:
The link thang:

< a href = "url" > text here < /a >

Take out the spaces after the <, before and after the =, and before the >. Leave the space between a and href. Use the quotes to surround the url.

JWM

7/04/2008 11:41:00 PM  
Anonymous ximeze said...

Jim, thanks for posting the Oath - now I know exactly what gets said. Bet those ACLU weasels think twice about messing with something sacred to people who pack & know how to use their weapons.

Here are the video of & article about the reenlistment ceremony - just love the way the 1215 fill the whole rotunda, the GIANT US flag hanging from top to bottom & way they shout out SO HELP ME GOD!!!!

The unprecedented ceremony sends a “message to friend and foe alike.”
Ya think?

http://www.bobkrumm.com/blog/?p=1930

7/05/2008 01:54:00 AM  
Blogger walt said...

Though presented light-heartedly, this post comes very close to an exact statement of fact.

In my opinion. Which, of course, is not fact.

But I'm stickin' with it.

7/05/2008 05:04:00 AM  
Blogger USS Ben USN (Ret) said...

Thanks John!
Mizze E told me how, once, and I forgot where i wrote it down.

I wrote it down again, and hopefully, I won't forget whwre I put it, LOL!

Lessee, let's give it a try...
Damn! I'm doin' somethin' wrong, 'cause it ain't workin'.

I'll try again later. :^)

7/05/2008 05:39:00 AM  
Anonymous On nonomous said...

ximeze,

Here's some counterpoint, if you're interested – I figure this isn't on most coons beaten path.


"There's also a camaraderie as well as, from what I've been told, a timelessness the guys feel over there, so it's much easier to convince someone to re-up when they're in the middle of their tour in the sandbox, than if they were stateside or in their down-time, when they might otherwise tell the "Career Councilor" to pack sand, they aren't going back.

I work off and on with a First Class Petty Officer special forces who re-upped three years ago when he was there. He's bitched enough times that if his enlistment end had come around when he was here in home-port, he would be a civilian right now, even if he would be making less money. He's due to go back to CENTCOM in August for the sixth time since 2003. And his next "re-up" time will come around again when he's there - either Afghanistan or Iraq.
He's getting very, very brittle to work around, his marriage has just failed - right after he got his new orders, and a couple of us retirees are keeping an eye on him and letting him vent to us "in safety". I have a nasty feeling he's losing it and on the verge of self-destructing, and that's not a safe position to be when they send him back, but there's not much we can do. He's not the type to admit a weakness or make a run for the border to find a bit of peace."



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3565597

7/05/2008 07:34:00 AM  
Blogger USS Ben USN (Ret) said...

On nonomous said...
ximeze,

Here's some counterpoint, if you're interested...

No one here is interested in your DU propaganda.
I know how much you wish your stupid theory to be true, but no matter how much you wish, you're still full of crap!

Take your faux "concern" and "support" for our Heroes and shove it, punk!

Return to the sewer from whence you crawled out of.
You do nothing but denigrate men and women you aren't worthy to speak about.

Cowardly pacifists like you don't deserve liberty, but you're more than willing to abuse this precious God-given gift, defended and paid for by the very Heroes you smear with your silky words of deception!

Asshole!

7/05/2008 07:49:00 AM  
Blogger USS Ben USN (Ret) said...

BTW, if you really are a retiree, you should be ashamed of yourself!
Feelin' guilty about something?
Have a bad attitude 'cause the military life was too hard for you?

Bah! Stuff it!

7/05/2008 07:52:00 AM  
Blogger USS Ben USN (Ret) said...

This is a common lie that the DUmmies like to spread.
That our Heroes are somehow "coerced" or "pressured" to reenlist.

Bullshit!

Then this punk tries to say that a "special forces" petty officer would make less money in the civilian world.

More BS! Those guys can make far more working for Blackwater, or any private security firms. They can also do better as cops, FBI, CIA, DIA, ATF, US Marshalls, etc..

You came to the wrong place to spread your lies, scumbag!

7/05/2008 08:00:00 AM  
Blogger Van said...

All of what Ben said.

7/05/2008 08:35:00 AM  
Blogger USS Ben USN (Ret) said...

G'mornin' Van!

7/05/2008 08:43:00 AM  
Anonymous hoarhey said...

On nonomous,

Has DU found another dupe to latch onto to "prove" their points, who's story is going to turn out to be completely false and fabricated.......AGAIN?
You were getting better traction with the fake war crimes and atrocity tools.

7/05/2008 08:45:00 AM  
Blogger Jim said...

On nonomous

You wouldn’t make a pimple on the ass of any service member let alone one that did a career. You have no clue how the people in the military think or what motivates them, I am a retiree, my wife served four years, I was a Command Career Councilor and I have two sons serving now.
If you people in the DU think you can turn this war into your glory years of Viet Nam, you are sadly mistaken, the military is not perfect but they can learn and won’t let you communist bastards screw us again like you did then.
If you in fact do know a PO1 that is in the special forces, which I doubt since he would be a SEAL and you would have used that acronym. Also the Navy is not using reserve SEALs since the teams train together all the time and civilians don’t work around them, for their own safety.
In summery, you sir are full of shit.

7/05/2008 09:54:00 AM  

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