tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post9079773926629567589..comments2024-03-27T11:16:36.951-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: One Stalled Step for Man, One Giant Sleep for MoonkindGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-17364926104728731552010-06-06T15:12:24.935-07:002010-06-06T15:12:24.935-07:00Aninnymouse said “did you read it beyond the title...Aninnymouse said “did you read it beyond the title?”<br /><br />Yes.<br /><br />“Doesn't look very remarkable to me”<br /><br />I’m wearing my “Shocked!” expression now. Equally shocking is the fact that you could write that and then add,<br /><br />“… Others have a have potential for abuse (like, special tax breaks for publishers, or having the government fund investigational journalism projects through universities)”<br /><br />, and double down with “… but don't seem inherently evil.”<br /><br />Yeah. Go figure. And then there’s, <br /><br />“, the government has been in the business of supporting the journalism industry in a variety of ways for a long time,”<br /><br />Did you ever notice that some have said, often and loudly, that that might not be a good idea? That it might eventually lead to … oh I don’t know… something like ‘reinventing’ journalism?<br /><br /> “… everything from special postal rates to the Corporation for Public Broadcasting (and I'm sure you have no love for the latter, but it's been going for 40 years and we don't seem close to a totalitarian reign of muppets).”<br /><br />Have you <i>seen</i> Keith Olbermann ?<br /><br />Yes it has been going on for 40 years… and we are now at the point of considering ‘reinventing’ journalism, ‘having the govt fund investigational journalism’, and considering having a regulatory agency discuss ways to prop up a failing ‘news’ media which the public is making clear they’re rejecting by way of their own choices to literally not pay attention to them… and of course <a href="http://blogodidact.blogspot.com/2009/10/white-house-urges-other-networks-to.html" rel="nofollow">keeping recent Whitehouse efforts</a> in mind… nahhh, you’re right,…no, no slippery slope to see here, move along, just try to stay out of the way of the downhill skiers… the bunny hill is thata-way, move along.<br /><br />But really, I specifically addressed my comment to those with“…even a shred of liberal understanding left within you…”, you could have just seen that I wasn’t talking to you and saved us both some time.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-87613872045342960862010-06-04T22:23:21.614-07:002010-06-04T22:23:21.614-07:00Congratulations Julie (and Sean)
And welcome Liam...Congratulations Julie (and Sean) <br />And welcome Liam!<br />You guys are in for a great ride!!<br />Keep us posted,<br />LeslieLeslie Godwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15867359654055086952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-73113070566975915582010-06-04T16:18:35.117-07:002010-06-04T16:18:35.117-07:00I'd heard the Grey Lady was pining for a bailo...I'd heard the Grey Lady was pining for a bailout, but wasn't aware Fox News was in need of one. ;)<br /><br />I'm guessing the latter can afford to be principled right now. Let's hope so. No news source accepting a handout can be counted "free press."Susannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16381272662339466736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-58944899609047799662010-06-04T15:55:09.380-07:002010-06-04T15:55:09.380-07:00Van -- Leftist here. I took a look at the report ...Van -- Leftist here. I took a look at the report that you are getting hysterical over (did you read it beyond the title?). Doesn't look very remarkable to me. Journalism as an industry is indeed in deep trouble, as everyone knows, and this report is reviewing and proposing a wide variety of possible mitigations. Most of them are unexceptionable from a 1st amendment standpoint (ie, changes to copyright and IP law). Others have a have potential for abuse (like, special tax breaks for publishers, or having the government fund investigational journalism projects through universities) but don't seem inherently evil. <br /><br />As the report says, the government has been in the business of supporting the journalism industry in a variety of ways for a long time, from everything from special postal rates to the Corporation for Public Broadcasting (and I'm sure you have no love for the latter, but it's been going for 40 years and we don't seem close to a totalitarian reign of muppets).<br /><br />I guess as a leftist I don't think much of most of these plans, because their likely effect will be to entrench the power of established insititutions (which includes both the NY Times and Fox News, so it's not an ideological thing) over fresh independent upstarts. But that's always the case.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/shirky09/shirky09_index.html" rel="nofollow">Here's a pretty good article</a> on why newspapers are doomed, why it used to be the case that department stores and car dealerships were effectively subsidizing serious reportage and why the internet has broken that business model, resulting in the need for new models that nobody has invented yet.anonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18207020184445548247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-69961736861410180162010-06-04T12:43:58.669-07:002010-06-04T12:43:58.669-07:00Jesus wrote: "For example, being that Jesus i...<b>Jesus wrote:</b> <i>"For example, being that Jesus is temperamentally such a sanguine, lighthearted, gay sort of man, he could never find his soul's rest in leftism, which is predicated on so much anger, envy, bitterness, paranoia, leaden seriousness, deep unhappiness, and general "sourness." For the leftist, life sucks, and only a huge and intrusive state can turn things around and make it really blow."</i> <br /><br /><b>anon responded: </b> <i>"Projection. You spend more than half your time bitterly complaining about the leftist Pharisees who run the world, infiltrate academia, and generally seem to sour your outlook. I've rarely seen anybody quite so wound up in systematic hatred as you. It's particularly striking since it more or less invalidates all the spiritual stuff. What is this <a href="http://www.christian-thinktank.com/violentx.html" rel="nofollow">LASHING OUT</a> at the Scribes and Pharisees as a "BROOD OF VIPERS, HYPOCRITES, WHITEWASHED TOMBS, SONS OF THE DEVIL"????? What is this statement DENYING THAT you CAME TO BRING "PEACE" and asserting that you CAME TO BRING A "SWORD"????? I'm Very disappointed.<br /> <b>If the only way you can be godly is by uttering vile slanders, your religion sucks.</b>"</i><br /><br /><br /><b>Jesus responds:</b> <i>"Grow up."</i><br /><br /><a href="http://www.tektonics.org/lp/madmad.html" rel="nofollow"><b>Insults and satire are not "un-Christian"</b></a>Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07033051400545893690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-55905635405624794342010-06-04T08:12:50.288-07:002010-06-04T08:12:50.288-07:00B. Ho said
"Bob must perforce criticize,incri...B. Ho said<br />"Bob must perforce criticize,incriminate,prosecute, blame, carp, disrespect, dismiss, pan, satirize, slander and smear those who do not believe in the correct political doctrine."<br /><br />No smears or slander necessary, they usually project that just fine on their own. <br /><br />You may not have a beef over this post but you do have an ass (minus a wise crack).USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-58526962500930948832010-06-04T08:05:37.474-07:002010-06-04T08:05:37.474-07:00Welcome aboard, Liam!Welcome aboard, Liam!USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-58198690671792161612010-06-04T08:04:26.140-07:002010-06-04T08:04:26.140-07:00This post is even better the second time around.Lo...This post is even better the second time around.Looks like the insultainment touched a nerve with our B. Ho. <br /><br />Lighten up Francis. :^)USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-77890190620872525682010-06-04T05:20:13.796-07:002010-06-04T05:20:13.796-07:00Susannah,
‘Thanks’ for the link… of all the omino...Susannah,<br /><br />‘Thanks’ for the link… of all the ominous events of the last few years, that is one of the most depressing. If free speech goes... it's all over but the shooting.<br /><br />You leftists out there, please, if there’s even a shred of liberal understanding left within you, please tell me that just the name of this program fills you with dread, and hopefully anger?!<br /><br />“The Federal Trade Commission just released what it called <a href="%E2%80%9CPotential" rel="nofollow"> “Potential Policy Recommendations to Support the Reinvention of Journalism,”</a>”<br /><br />Seriously?Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-50463714483834857362010-06-03T21:35:55.189-07:002010-06-03T21:35:55.189-07:00Checks and balances, man. Democratic accountabili...Checks and balances, man. Democratic accountability...<br /><br />http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Five-ways-Obama-may-tax-you-to-pay-for-the-governments-reinvention-of-journalismg--95549194.htmlSusannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16381272662339466736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-73951302681314776282010-06-03T21:26:55.125-07:002010-06-03T21:26:55.125-07:00Bob, re: the government's imagined ability to ...Bob, re: the government's imagined ability to bring about happiness...<br /><br />I never cease to be amazed at the disconnect between "business is corrupt" and "government is the answer." It's not like it takes genius to figure out the common denominator between the two.<br /><br />Cf. that Wallis piece in which he accuses libertarians of putting faith in a "sinless" market, while placing his wide-eyed trust in a "progressive" government which, he fantasizes, somehow retains the Founders' intended checks & balances...so don't worry, it'll all work out fine... That gov't takeover of your bank/dealership/insurance company is just "democratic accountability" in action... Chicago Way? What's that?Susannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16381272662339466736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-26610282996561346422010-06-03T21:07:48.294-07:002010-06-03T21:07:48.294-07:00Ha! Van, linking to zombie's site never fails...Ha! Van, linking to zombie's site never fails to shut the mouths of my friends who foam epithets over tea party protesters. Nothing can top the likes of "Nazi K***s out of Lebanon."Susannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16381272662339466736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-27371425496838032132010-06-03T21:06:18.957-07:002010-06-03T21:06:18.957-07:00Jeez... I've got a post I've been trying t...Jeez... I've got a post I've been trying to put up before this weekend - looks like I won't make it - but it looks like George Will swiped half of it (probably the better half)... but that quote and Madison vs. Wilson pretty well sums it up.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-43910187587428627742010-06-03T19:11:27.377-07:002010-06-03T19:11:27.377-07:00"Lacking a limiting principle, progressivism ..."Lacking a limiting principle, progressivism cannot say how big the welfare state should be but must always say that it should be bigger than it currently is."Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-11484670672330360732010-06-03T19:09:07.425-07:002010-06-03T19:09:07.425-07:00The choice is clear: Madison vs. Wilson.The choice is clear: <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/02/AR2010060203278.html?nav=rss_opinion/columns" rel="nofollow">Madison vs. Wilson</a>.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-77326370536521965892010-06-03T18:43:54.916-07:002010-06-03T18:43:54.916-07:00ted said "...but have begun to see how obscur...ted said "...but have begun to see how obscurations can muddle us all..."<br /><br />Uh-huh, starting with the words you use to describe them. Obscuration is fuzzing the edges, trying to hide the unsightly by focusing on something else. Lies do not obscure, they disintegrate - there's a difference.<br /><br />Regarding your,<br /><br />"So does that mean we throw all of the values of the left away. No, because despite them being a "coalition of groups", there are some core values beyond "multi-culturalism" that may need looking at."<br /><br />There are no values to be found in the destruction of values. Zero. Zip.<br /><br />Pick any of those supposed 'values' and ask yourself (and check the facts) "Does this leftist 'value' rely on people <i>choosing</i> to support it, or at root does it rely upon using the force of govt regulation and 'law' to compel people to support it?<br /><br />The answer is easily discoverable... you can see the truth for yourself, or you can obscure it.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-84828465514227331752010-06-03T18:25:31.953-07:002010-06-03T18:25:31.953-07:00bh blustered "You have ..."
... been sp...bh blustered "You have ..."<br /><br />... been speaking to the mirror again?Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-9049256567006503852010-06-03T18:21:53.533-07:002010-06-03T18:21:53.533-07:00(Oops... left off the last of Pieper's quote)
...(Oops... left off the last of Pieper's quote)<br /><br />"...Any discourse detached from the norms of reality is at the same time mere monologue. What does it mean, after all, to be detached form the norms of reality? It means indifference regarding the truth. To be true means, indeed, to be determined in speech and thought by what is real..."<br /><br />Pick any PC enthusiasm you'd like, then try and match it to reality, and even to the reality of the actions of the politically correct - they do not even conform to eachother, let alone with reality.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-67109327994183465242010-06-03T18:21:13.870-07:002010-06-03T18:21:13.870-07:00For example, being that the B'ob is temperamen...<i>For example, being that the B'ob is temperamentally such a sanguine, lighthearted, gay sort of man, he could never find his soul's rest in leftism, which is predicated on so much anger, envy, bitterness, paranoia, leaden seriousness, deep unhappiness, and general "sourness." For the leftist, life sucks, and only a huge and intrusive state can turn things around and make it really blow. </i><br /><br />Projection. You spend more than half your writing bitterly complaining about the leftists who run the world, infiltrate academia, and generally seem to sour your outlook. I've rarely seen anybody quite so wound up in systematic hatred as you. <br /><br />It's particularly striking since it more or less invalidates all the spiritual stuff. If the only way you can be godly is by uttering vile slanders, your religion sucks.anonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18207020184445548247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-39524352130560605492010-06-03T18:16:25.604-07:002010-06-03T18:16:25.604-07:00OK- just one more post and I'll shut up.
Left...OK- just one more post and I'll shut up.<br /><br />Leftists think that other people's money will make them happy. <br /><br />If they're rich - they want to give away other poeple's money "to the poor" but not their own. <br /><br />If they're poor they want to take other people's money instead of making their own.Diannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16301129417706219603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-43490951505416633922010-06-03T18:16:22.502-07:002010-06-03T18:16:22.502-07:00Gagdad said "I might add that there's nev...Gagdad said "I might add that there's never a genuine "we" on the left, only a Them, since by definition it involves top-down coercion by the elites who run the state..."A genuine We is a spontaneous spiritual order which includes shared values. "<br /><br />Exactly!<br /><br />"Thus, another way the left makes the higher we impossible is through the noxious doctrine of multiculturalism."<br /><br />I was reading Josef Pieper's "Abuse of Language Abuse of Power" last night (it and his "Cardinal Virtues" came yesterday <i>Yeah!</i>), and he notes in it how <br /><br />"The reality of the word in eminent ways makes existential interaction happen. And so, if the word becomes corrupted, human existence itself will not remain unaffected and untainted.<br />...First, words convey reality. We speak in order to name and identify something that is real, to identify it for someone, of course -..."<br /><br />and this goes with the above well, with PC and multiculturalism, the flattery of each other into feeling so darn swell about the so-correct things you mouth to eachother,<br /><br />"...This is, in Plato's dialogues, the constantly repeated lament and accusation (and to realize their astonishingly modern relevance, all we have to do is sum them up): reality, you think, should be of interest to you only insofar as you can impressively talk about it! And because you are not interested in reality, you are unable to converse. You can give fine speeches, but you simply cannot join in a conversation; you are incapable of dialogue!"<br /><br />It'd be fun to fun that up obamao's teleprompter.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-68330393042153662632010-06-03T18:10:08.421-07:002010-06-03T18:10:08.421-07:00Van, I agree.Van, I agree.Diannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16301129417706219603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-67340313890278838972010-06-03T18:04:32.808-07:002010-06-03T18:04:32.808-07:00Also - money does not equal knowledge and intellig...Also - money does not equal knowledge and intelligence.Diannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16301129417706219603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-10425416701704259832010-06-03T18:03:29.524-07:002010-06-03T18:03:29.524-07:00"And this is indeed bears upon the broad purp..."And this is indeed bears upon the broad purpose of the spiritual life -- or let us just say Life: to become what you already are. Life's purpose can never be to become what the group wishes for you to be, for this is slavery, not liberty. Classical liberalism enshrines a sort of liberty that implicitly promotes the use of it for higher ends, since it is a "gift" given for that very purpose. Its alternative -- leftism in all its guises -- enshrines the idea that your liberty is a privilege granted by the state, subject to revocation if you do not use it to promote slavery, whether intellectual, political, spiritual, sexual, or economic, for liberty is One. "<br /><br />And the irony is that in True individual liberty, real community is found... not mandated or compelled, but found. Found in the <i>real</i> choices and <i>real</i> interests of individuals, common interests are realized and in that honest integration a love of community is found to grow.<br /><br />Not only is that not found on the left, it <i>cannot</i> be found on the left, because the leftist communisties are formed of coercion, not choice, and that prevents choice, in fact it excludes <i>you</i> from that moment of your own life where you have been prevented from making the choice (and living <b>in</b> your life) and the life you otherwise would have.<br /><br />Leftism is <a href="http://www.zombietime.com/hall_of_shame/" rel="nofollow">zombiefication</a>.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-45842177309471947482010-06-03T17:58:29.426-07:002010-06-03T17:58:29.426-07:00And Bok doesn't take into account all the rich...And Bok doesn't take into account all the rich, famous people who are severely unhappy. What do they have to be unhappy about? They have money. They have privilege. They get what they want when they want it. Are they happy? NO. <br /><br />I've been poor all my life. Would I want to be Lindsey Lohan or Britney Spears or Conan O'Brien? NO. <br /><br />They have every luxury money can buy. And in Conan's case (and probably Spears - I think Lohan has already spent most of hers on blow), have more money than they could ever spend. And they are still miserable and clueless.<br /><br />Money does not equal happiness.Diannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16301129417706219603noreply@blogger.com