tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post8137782671548349551..comments2024-03-28T20:04:20.286-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: Logosphere and IdiolotryGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-63742119200872265992012-04-12T17:53:44.349-07:002012-04-12T17:53:44.349-07:00The search for what is true, leads to principles t...The search for what is true, leads to principles that are true always, and they serve as guides for your life, keeping you steady and deeply rooted in all time. <br /><br />When you abandon the search for what is true, you have nothing to go by but what is familiar - and that can tolerate nothing deeper than mere surface appearances - and what gets you what you <i>want</i>, which leaves you with nothing and no other options than force - nothing else but power can provide you with any claim to anything, and so you've chosen your master.<br /><br />All who seek power are tribalists... they have no choice but to always push towards the lowest and rawest.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-13376593044593192592012-04-12T15:32:43.362-07:002012-04-12T15:32:43.362-07:00" but why a moral relativist should be offend..." but why a moral relativist should be offended by the law of the jungle is a mystery, to say the least, for if there is no universal morality, there is only power, i.e., "might makes right."<br /><br />Conversely, conservatives know that there is a universal moral law."<br /><br />Exactly the case. <br /><br />Whats fun to ask them, is ' Why are you offended? Is there some standard or Right you feel has been violated? Really? Based upon what?' If it's one of the knowingly corrupt, prepare for a festive barrage of insults & profanity, but if it's one of the innocently useful idiots, they just might help you talk them back to reality.<br /><br />Rare, but it happens.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-65949004836524398012012-04-12T13:13:31.456-07:002012-04-12T13:13:31.456-07:00Mushroom - yes, that's what I was talking abou...Mushroom - yes, that's what I was talking about. Not simply membership in a group, but the kind of situation where individual identity is trumped by group expectations, and importantly, where anyone not in the group is deemed as being not only lesser, but not even really human - and treated accordingly. <br /><br />Re. "if I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon," yes, that was deeply disturbing. Who cares what the kid would look like? If my mom's cousin Chris had had a son, his flesh would have looked like Trayvon's, too - but I'm pretty sure if the kid had gone around dressing and acting like Trayvon, his dad would have done something about it.<br /><br />Personally, I make it a point to be wary of anyone who "looks" like Trayvon - not the skin color, but the whole gangsta bit. If Trayvon had been dressed as an Eagle scout, and carried himself accordingly, I doubt very much we'd be having this conversation at all.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-86437721497005375082012-04-12T12:00:47.982-07:002012-04-12T12:00:47.982-07:00OK, I think I get it. It's the mob mentality....OK, I think I get it. It's the mob mentality. The mob is always by necessity acting from the unconscious. Mob behavior is the subconscious made manifest. What we are calling tribal behavior is the mass subconscious being acted out within the [relative] anonymity of the group.mushroomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07651027035577798096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-61934798474091274122012-04-12T11:45:51.666-07:002012-04-12T11:45:51.666-07:00Egregores and tulpas.Egregores and tulpas.Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00987042455512485699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-36618175173362837832012-04-12T11:39:50.510-07:002012-04-12T11:39:50.510-07:00if I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon
Notice...<i>if I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon</i><br /><br />Notice that this came from the gut. It wasn't "let's be calm and like Americans presume innocence until facts prove otherwise beyond reasonable doubt." No, it was tribal feeling that burst out. <br /><br />Once again, Obama disgraced us all.Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00987042455512485699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-8281760597919481522012-04-12T11:30:06.327-07:002012-04-12T11:30:06.327-07:00The only thing that unites the diverse tribes of A...The only thing that unites the diverse tribes of America is hatred of white conservatives, just as the only thing that unites the UN and the Arab world is hatred of Jews. Otherwise the tribes would be killing each other, as happens when they are stuck together in prison.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-16941012402350425512012-04-12T11:27:46.616-07:002012-04-12T11:27:46.616-07:00Speaking of tribes, I can't imagine saying tha...Speaking of tribes, I can't imagine saying that "if I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon," because if my son dressed like a hoodlum, you'd better believe he'd hear about it from me. It has nothing whatsoever to do with race, but manners, breeding, and common sense. To say that you want your son to look like a hoodlum makes you unfit for parenthood.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-62720164987846215892012-04-12T11:26:00.584-07:002012-04-12T11:26:00.584-07:00Good stuff.
Tribalism is the elevation of gang me...Good stuff.<br /><br />Tribalism is the elevation of gang membership over reason. <br /><br />Tyson is acting tribal. He even looks like a tribal warlord. A rapist and barbarian, he should be mocked and reviled by every public person, including Sharpton and his ilk. But he won't be, because they are tribalists, too. They just wear suits and use larger words.<br /><br />I don't know why Bill Cosby never "won" in the cultural sense over the tribalists whose agitation keeps their constituency in such angry poverty. I suppose the Marxists just won that battle, and there's no more to say about it than that.<br /><br />The food critic in the movie "Ratatouille" ends up saying, "Not everyone can become a great chef, but a great chef can come from anywhere."<br /><br />Precisely, but tribalists don't agree. You can be a tribalist from the Ivy Leagues or a tribalist from the south side of Chicago like Phonykhan -- same thing. You have your peeps and to hell with the rest of us, by force if necessary.<br /><br />And force is *always* necessary. They have nothing else.Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00987042455512485699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-51478323728293664842012-04-12T11:24:27.254-07:002012-04-12T11:24:27.254-07:00Mushroom:
Sports is clearly a benign way (excludi...Mushroom:<br /><br />Sports is clearly a benign way (excluding soccer hooligans, Raiders fans, and inner city championship celebrations) of engaging in our innate tribalism. That's why it's so bracing, even though, when you come right down to it, we're just "rooting for different colored laundry" (as Seinfeld put it).Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-40990487475932582642012-04-12T11:09:27.263-07:002012-04-12T11:09:27.263-07:00The result is all too often the sort of tribalism ...<i>The result is all too often the sort of tribalism that results, again, in lynchings, mob violence, and the type of rioting seen in England last year.</i><br /><br />Julie is right -- as always, but the language bothers me.<br /><br />I don't know where I was reading it yesterday, but somebody was talking about conservatives and said that if Mars attacked Earth, conservatives would automatically become Earthists. <br /><br />Well, of course. <br /><br />Bob's a Dodgers fan (5 and 1, go Blue). I'm a Cardinals fan. That is because of where we grew up. I think there may be a "good" tribalism and a "bad" tribalism. <br /><br />I have no problem with rushing to the defense of the like-minded when they are unfairly attacked. I don't think there is anything wrong with instinctively standing up for my family or my friends. <br /><br />As Bob points out with Zimmerman, the difference is that we are willing to be bound by the truth. I have a close relative, like a brother to me, who is locked up in federal prison and will be for another fifteen or twenty years. It doesn't it make me love him any less, but he did the crime. He can do the time.mushroomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07651027035577798096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-44214833588119661242012-04-12T10:55:57.524-07:002012-04-12T10:55:57.524-07:00music never off-topic?
Bordering-on-schmaltz pop ...music never off-topic?<br /><br />Bordering-on-schmaltz pop slow-dance <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n03g8nsaBro&feature=related" rel="nofollow">song</a> that i nevertheless am haunted by, thanks to oldies radio in my car<br /><br />as they sing in the karaoke clubs of ol' tokyo:<br />'sirence is gorden'gehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02015936407999495181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-22546468182291993312012-04-12T10:41:27.407-07:002012-04-12T10:41:27.407-07:00That is to say, the easiest way to maintain the Li...<i>That is to say, the easiest way to maintain the Lie is to sever any cognitive links that lead to Truth.</i><br /><br />They often use those magical, saturated words to break the links. We've all heard the incantations. <br /><br />The image that always comes to my mind is from <i>The Two Towers</i> where Eomer is trying to show Theoden the sign of the "white hand" on the Orc helmet. Grima hisses that he is disturbing Theoden's already troubled mind with his "warmongering". <br /><br />Say the magic word.mushroomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07651027035577798096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-52145359732401418392012-04-12T10:10:23.099-07:002012-04-12T10:10:23.099-07:00Sinatra and Morricone... yes, I think you nailed i...Sinatra and Morricone... yes, I think you nailed it. A combo that either fires or fries the eardrums, depending on taste and circumstance.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-64471580749722432022012-04-12T10:07:45.409-07:002012-04-12T10:07:45.409-07:00Robin:
I certainly can't say I appreciate the...Robin:<br /><br />I certainly can't say I appreciate the whole oeuvre, mainly the first four solo albums recorded between '67 and '70. A kind of permanent imprint was made on my brain when I was absently rifling through the bins at my favorite record store one dreamy Sunday morning, and on the store stereo system came <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejiWfG-vOXo" rel="nofollow">The Seventh Seal</a>, which sounded like some weird hybrid of Sinatra and Morricone in a medieval spaghetti western. Something in me snapped, and I'ver been a fan ever since.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-25558091217754427742012-04-12T09:46:38.802-07:002012-04-12T09:46:38.802-07:00Conversely, he "who closes himself against wh...<i>Conversely, he "who closes himself against what is common, or who revolts against it, removes himself from the public life of human community. He becomes thereby a private man, or in the language of Heraclitus, an </i>idiotes<i>" (in Purcell).</i><br /><br />Notably, too, this is possible not only with an individual, but within groups. One of the fruits of multiculturalism is that it not only allows, but practically demands that each group have its own relative morality, generally rendering them idiotic. The result is all too often the sort of tribalism that results, again, in lynchings, mob violence, and the type of rioting seen in England last year. Absent a common morality, absent a system of equal justice under the law, only man's basest nature tends to prevail.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-41624282401622672942012-04-12T09:37:54.230-07:002012-04-12T09:37:54.230-07:00Way off topic, but I couldn't help but note th...Way off topic, but I couldn't help but note that Scott Walker is showcased on <a href="http://www.aquariumdrunkard.com/2012/04/12/scott-walker-on-your-own-again/" rel="nofollow">Aquarium Drunkard</a> today. Thought you'd appreciate that.<br /><br />Still can't say I like or understand him myself, but then it took me years to understand Beefheart too. So there's hope. :-)robinstarfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15665546554663005609noreply@blogger.com