tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post7940635865004725764..comments2024-03-28T20:04:20.286-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: Come for the Salvation, Stay for the Play!Gagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-68216921276396206732011-06-03T07:32:19.906-07:002011-06-03T07:32:19.906-07:00I agree with Sam Harris, he has no free will...
....I agree with Sam Harris, he has no free will...<br /><br />...on account of being afflicted with the disease I call "metaphysical autism." Poor fellow, I hope he gets his 'choice' back someday. Lord, have mercy.Bulletproof Monknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-79587656615500372662011-06-03T07:00:13.183-07:002011-06-03T07:00:13.183-07:00flunky said "Played the cowbell I think."...flunky said "Played the cowbell I think."<br /><br />Yep, cowbell. The four string variety with the 20lb Ash wood yoke.<br /><br />I think most people here are musicians or artists... or the same in different mediums.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-50468351414772100072011-06-03T06:55:05.587-07:002011-06-03T06:55:05.587-07:00""Many people seem to believe that moral...""Many people seem to believe that morality depends for its existence on a metaphysical quantity called 'free will.'"<br /><br />Really? Many people believe free will is a "metaphysical quantity"? How come I've never met one? And what does he even mean by words such as "people,""morality," "existence," "quantity"? Forced to define his terms, you would immediately discover that his conclusions are simply his premises."<br /><br />Yep. I saw his post too, he also put out a reply to those who were dumbfounded by it - so there is hope, even among those who follow him, that there are people who manage to wonder why.<br /><br />I didn't make it much past the first paragraph. Later. Off for 5 days, 9 relatives staying at our house... the oldest took off yesterday for the mid-east, the middle takes off from high school tomorrow. Too much slack, not enough time to bother with the determinymystics.<br /><br />It's enough to know that what begins with 'There is no free will', will end with there is no freedom. Those who 'know' you have no choice, feel they must tell you exactly what you must think, how you must live, what you must eat and everything that is not a sin and which you must enjoy tolerating.<br /><br />Zombies. Ugh.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-12818379919825819852011-06-02T22:03:40.585-07:002011-06-02T22:03:40.585-07:00@ge at 1:09 Is where I first heard "play mag...@ge at 1:09 Is where I first heard "play magic fingers" oh, about 45 years ago I suppose.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkgAj0rtGZU<br /><br />Will any AI ever be created that would bother to look up that little bit of info and share it? I think not.John Lienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15607964922479543670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-31419545828933738952011-06-02T21:38:21.424-07:002011-06-02T21:38:21.424-07:00Rumor has it Van toured the West Coast with a band...Rumor has it Van toured the West Coast with a band back in the 80's.<br /><br />Played the cowbell I think.flunkynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-39348083713187631882011-06-02T17:26:09.076-07:002011-06-02T17:26:09.076-07:00Speaking of playing, are there musicians among you...Speaking of playing, are there musicians among you?<br /><br />What instruments do you play?<br /><br />Do any recording?INdelible Inknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-7860438303710518042011-06-02T16:41:15.051-07:002011-06-02T16:41:15.051-07:00to say that a line has some "play" in it...<i>to say that a line has some "play" in it is equivalent to saying there is some "slack" in it.</i> <br />-nicely noted!<br /><br />you know the book/term Homo Ludens?<br />Homo Ludens or "Man the Player" (alternatively, "Playing Man") is a book written in 1938 by Dutch historian, cultural theorist and professor Johan Huizinga...<br />]]I just flashed on 'Deus Ludens'[[<br /><br />&<br />"Love is but to play with a girl like a toy....yes, but nobody confesses" [from a song by Spider Barbour]<br /><br />"Play, magic fingers, play!"<br />-Smothers brothergehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02015936407999495181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-15094416925476605612011-06-02T14:16:38.245-07:002011-06-02T14:16:38.245-07:00I don’t think that Mike (aka Nasty Edwin) wanted t...I don’t think that Mike (aka Nasty Edwin) wanted to be allowed to play in the last plays of the season’s last football game and then be carried off the field. But I also don’t think that anything lasting would have been created, if everybody else had been forced to make it so. <br /><br />I think Mike wanted the freedom to be himself, without incurring as much malice as he did. But sadly in this world, one mans freedom is another mans target. Or tool. Or scapegoat. Or worse.<br /><br />Is there anything wrong with enhancing the kind of freedom that “allows one to be oneself while minimizing undeserved malice”? The other kind of freedom seems to justify Darwin a bit too much for me.flunkynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-79290178710559015952011-06-02T13:36:40.965-07:002011-06-02T13:36:40.965-07:00Isn't Harris the fellow who wrote that it migh...Isn't Harris the fellow who wrote that it might be necessary to kill religious people for the good of all? He must have been suffering from some chemical imbalance that day.scorynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-8893330852056260592011-06-02T13:02:23.922-07:002011-06-02T13:02:23.922-07:00the moment one realizes one is in the Matrix, one ...<i>the moment one realizes one is in the Matrix, one is no longer in it, even if ever so slightly.</i><br /><br />Notably, though, there's no small number of people who've had that realization for a moment, and then run screaming back into willful ignorance. After all, it reveals so many unpleasant things about themselves they'd rather not see.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-55608270581412819722011-06-02T12:26:14.681-07:002011-06-02T12:26:14.681-07:00John:
Put it this way: the moment one realizes o...John:<br /><br />Put it this way: the moment one realizes one is in the Matrix, one is no longer in it, even if ever so slightly. This little crack of slack is how the Light gets in. Follow the Light -- i.e., reorient yourself to it -- and the crack gradually widens out to become a vast gorge.The SlackMeisternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-7789592452561305242011-06-02T10:47:53.638-07:002011-06-02T10:47:53.638-07:00Seriously, Sam Harris may merely be reporting on h...Seriously, Sam Harris may merely be reporting on his own condition. He just can't help himself. He has no play. And, having rejected the only Source of Slack, he no longer has a free will. <br /><br />It would be frighteningly analogous to 1 John 5:16-17: <i>If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask, and God will give him life—to those who commit sins that do not lead to death. There is sin that leads to death; I do not say that one should pray for that. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that does not lead to death.</i> (ESV)mushroomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07651027035577798096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-11260788934498491532011-06-02T10:19:44.846-07:002011-06-02T10:19:44.846-07:00"In any event, either one understands the fol..."In any event, either one understands the following, or one does not: if free will didn't exist, then we couldn't know it. Or, conversely, if free will exists, it is obviously beyond the ability of mere science to account for it."<br /><br />Keep hammering this point SlackMeister. It's beginning to sink in to me thick skull. <br /><br />Lemme take a whack at it:<br />If free will doesn't exist then what physical process is causing Harris to bother trying to convince his readers it doesn't exist? <br /><br />One possible answer, he sees our world view as some sort of physical threat to him. (Has to be a physical threat since there isn't anything else.)John Lienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15607964922479543670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-8152882181611424012011-06-02T10:06:06.997-07:002011-06-02T10:06:06.997-07:00I imagine The Play-right asking," So, how did...I imagine The Play-right asking," So, how did you enjoy my creation?"Dougmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08468871451814828157noreply@blogger.com