tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post7758888734178457507..comments2024-03-28T20:04:20.286-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: Reality: It's Always in the Last Place You LookGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-9682696775978572512013-03-06T06:29:57.551-08:002013-03-06T06:29:57.551-08:00River said "Interestingly, Chopak's dictu...River said "Interestingly, Chopak's dictum is part right - thought does shape reality through the action that proceeds from that thought."<br /><br />I Kant disagree with you more on that Riv. To see yourself shaping reality presupposes that you are somehow standing outside of it. That's the road that Descartes started down and Kant paved into a super highway (cue AC/DC song), and the only thing that keeps you from falling all the way down to today's level, is your own Will to defy intellectual gravity. <br /><br />Neitzche was just the first to stop flapping his wings.<br /><br />We do not shape reality, we act within it. Reality is, we perceive it as it is (to the depths of our faculties spectrum of perception), and to the extent and depths that our conceptions of it are true, our actions are in harmony with it, or cacophonous.<br /><br />"I think you mean, thought does not alter essence. But reality is not all essence, I think we can agree." <br /><br />Conflating reality with materiality, that's already something the moderns would approve of... watch your step, at some point you Kant retrace them.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-81357733980901813282013-03-05T15:07:54.814-08:002013-03-05T15:07:54.814-08:00Chris Christie on pop tart control: "From my...Chris Christie on pop tart control: "From my cold, dead hand!"mushroomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07651027035577798096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-15946974672109332692013-03-05T13:04:42.135-08:002013-03-05T13:04:42.135-08:00According to Deepak's formula, it's perfec...According to Deepak's formula, it's perfectly rational to suspend a kid when he makes a shape out of his toaster pastry that looks like a gun. The teacher sees a gun, which in her mind is real; if the kid made a shooting noise, that pop tart could really hurt someone!<br /><br />And in any case, pop tarts are probably not on the approved list of foods kids may have at school these days. The kid's obviously a rogue element. Better take him out now, before he brings any other kids down with him...juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-3369080510070322682013-03-05T12:31:42.103-08:002013-03-05T12:31:42.103-08:00Re. the intention candles, I find it interesting t...Re. the intention candles, I find it interesting that the cheapest ones are for attracting angels and divine love. Funny - on the one hand, divine love is free for anyone, with or without candles, and the very act of using one (or just purchasing with intent) shows that you <i>don't</i> believe it. Additionally, if one must put a price on such a thing, it would be priceless because infinitely valuable.<br /><br />I suspect that in her particular case, the intentions are all she needs to rake in the dough, especially for the foreseeable future as things get worse and people get desperate.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-74646096139966136632013-03-05T11:53:44.820-08:002013-03-05T11:53:44.820-08:00@rick
The irony is that the 3 billion dollars mig...@rick<br /><br />The irony is that the 3 billion dollars might exist, but only because of a million dupes who sent in 3,000 dollars.<br /><br />Obama will be the change everyone is looking for! Which, since people aren't actually looking to change, is logically no change at all.<br /><br />Wish someone had said that in a prominent place back in 2008. I bet they did, actually...Ephrem Antony Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032465992619034619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-53970648974869517922013-03-05T11:45:00.650-08:002013-03-05T11:45:00.650-08:00"whether the 3 billion exists or not is somew..."whether the 3 billion exists or not is somewhat immaterial, isn't it?"<br /><br />I sort of think that way about miracles, or magic, if you prefer...as in say...what part is the miracle we're talking about? The result which spanned the infinite gap from what was before, no? That's the miracle (or point), isn't it? Was Paul on Saul's radar?Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13720790978632771716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-36577181162429629062013-03-05T11:44:16.796-08:002013-03-05T11:44:16.796-08:00@ted
It seems like a shadow play, there. Financia...@ted<br /><br />It seems like a shadow play, there. Financial 'questions' that are vague enough to be unanswerable. What were the suspicious financial dealings?<br /><br />OH! I know. Giving donations back to the Catholic Church, which all secular people acknowledge to be the (non-existent) evil one.Ephrem Antony Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032465992619034619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-55062330846648336682013-03-05T11:30:08.405-08:002013-03-05T11:30:08.405-08:00Btw, Bob, speaking of wrestling and for reels, hav...Btw, Bob, speaking of wrestling and for reels, have you and the boy seen Nacho Libre yet?<br /><br />(why not)Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13720790978632771716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1981876533197884772013-03-05T11:28:46.836-08:002013-03-05T11:28:46.836-08:00Riv,
Oh, thaaaat ATP.
Yeah, I don't believe in...Riv,<br />Oh, <i>thaaaat</i> ATP.<br />Yeah, I don't believe in that.<br />My opinion: ATP = window dressing to the really Reals.<br /><br />;-)Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13720790978632771716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-3375322516604577592013-03-05T11:22:45.807-08:002013-03-05T11:22:45.807-08:00In our postmodern culture, people who buy intentio...In our postmodern culture, people who buy intention candles are good, but the saints on ground are considered <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/04/mother-teresa-myth_n_2805697.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl2%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D278647" rel="nofollow">bad</a>.tedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07354048695798015131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-57324619119166631602013-03-05T11:22:22.708-08:002013-03-05T11:22:22.708-08:00Rick, This ATP.
RE: Lovecraft, he imagines a cosm...Rick, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adenosine_triphosphate" rel="nofollow">This ATP</a>.<br /><br />RE: Lovecraft, he imagines a cosmology that arises out of the psychic energy of modernity. It is irrational, evil and ultimately chaos. If given the power it needs it 'comes through from the other side' - like the guy asking for the 3k so he can send you 3 billion dollars, whether the 3 billion exists or not is somewhat immaterial, isn't it?Ephrem Antony Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032465992619034619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-26538615216290853462013-03-05T11:18:24.534-08:002013-03-05T11:18:24.534-08:00ATP?ATP?Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13720790978632771716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-57039740186452234882013-03-05T11:05:46.436-08:002013-03-05T11:05:46.436-08:00Mushroom,
As I always say, 'follow the energy...Mushroom,<br /><br />As I always say, 'follow the energy'. <br /><br />If thought is changing reality, it is because that thought is harnessing energy. In the case of physical acts, it's basically ATP. But even the Faustian magic cannot change essence, or underlying Reality... so it's basically just leverage and cannot truly fulfill a wish. <br /><br />I tend to believe that physical manifestations are proof of the immaterial which precede them. You'll recall that God waits until Abraham is about to sacrifice his son to say, 'Now I know you are faithful.' <br /><br />On the off chance that Tori and company are really harnessing some non-ATP, non-God energy there would be results, since the physical is the end-point for these things. I believe the principle is called 'By their fruits ye shall know them.'<br /><br />Just look at Chopak, look at Obama, and connect the dots. <br /><br />Lovecraft was on to something.Ephrem Antony Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032465992619034619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-13579587933165875482013-03-05T10:58:03.275-08:002013-03-05T10:58:03.275-08:00Of course, I'm also open to the possibility th...Of course, I'm also open to the possibility that you all are talking completely over my head, and I've missed the point entirely. That happens.mushroomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07651027035577798096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-52109361319768879512013-03-05T10:33:18.670-08:002013-03-05T10:33:18.670-08:00I don't know. It seems to me that when we sta...I don't know. It seems to me that when we start talking about kinds of magic -- faustian, collective, and sacred, aren't we talking about altering reality by other than common physical means? <br /><br />MOTT always shocks me when it acknowledges that a faustian magician can harness "lower" forces to accomplish something, or that collective magic can produce something "miraculous". These are apparently not limited to just the subjective reality of the practitioners. That it is a far more dangerous game than Tori or Deepak realize doesn't mean it won't work. It's just demonic.mushroomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07651027035577798096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-27052441671170198372013-03-05T09:54:35.268-08:002013-03-05T09:54:35.268-08:00By the way, interesting thing I found out about th...By the way, interesting thing I found out about the Tarot - it's origin is a game called 'Trumps' which itself seems to be a game created to help teach illiterate folks how to read. (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarot,_tarock_and_tarocchi_games) The use of tarot for divination happens later, after the game is a common and various local watershed. <br /><br />Thus MOTT follows not the later tradition of divination, but the earlier tradition of using the set of trumps and suits as a contemplation on the human existence.<br /><br />I would assume Tomberg was aware of this when he chose his subject matter: dicey enough to attract a neo-pagan but circumventing that kind of 'magic'.Ephrem Antony Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032465992619034619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-5157202604074100572013-03-05T09:50:06.281-08:002013-03-05T09:50:06.281-08:00"...a line of spiritual accessories..."
..."<i>...a line of spiritual accessories...</i>"<br /><br />This reminds me of the movie <i>Remember the Titans</i> where the two coaches' little daughters are talking. Hayden Panettiere's character mocks the other little girl for playing with dolls, to which she replies, "I'm not playing, I'm accessorizing."mushroomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07651027035577798096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-5456286431055953292013-03-05T09:43:27.600-08:002013-03-05T09:43:27.600-08:00'velleity' as i recall.
my want & int...'velleity' as i recall.<br /><br />my want & intention is to walk on gilded splinters, or failing that, some hot coals'll do!gehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02015936407999495181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-19169454262096288022013-03-05T09:41:55.270-08:002013-03-05T09:41:55.270-08:00Yes, I mean physical action. Really, any action th...Yes, I mean physical action. Really, any action that isn't physical is kind of... not really a proper action.<br /><br />Granted sometimes you don't have the liberty to move but, you know. Body and soul, mang.Ephrem Antony Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032465992619034619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-71226565121423852612013-03-05T09:40:34.962-08:002013-03-05T09:40:34.962-08:00I think you mean, thought does not alter essence. ...I think you mean, thought does not alter essence. But reality is not all essence, I think we can agree. I see though, that this is the implication (now that you have pointed it out) of their idea of thought shaping reality. <br /><br />My point is simply this: a sculpture is part of reality, and it is a product of thought. While no amount of thought can change the property of marble, thought and intent must precede shaping it into David. <br /><br />Having an intent to be healthy is fine, but unless that thought is applied to exercise, slack and good food, the intent is 'vellity' (I think the word was) meaning, the weakest form of desire, one in which the will is provoked but the person is not roused to any action. Reality (capital R) remains the same in both cases, but reality - that is, what flows from essence - is altered by the action or inaction of human will.<br /><br />Does that make it a bit more clear what I mean?Ephrem Antony Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032465992619034619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-49853779868124359632013-03-05T09:33:30.546-08:002013-03-05T09:33:30.546-08:00I see what you mean -- action that proceeds from t...I see what you mean -- action that proceeds from thought shapes reality. But that's physical action, not immaterial thought.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-78296560871050557792013-03-05T09:32:00.997-08:002013-03-05T09:32:00.997-08:00Do not concur. Thought does not shape reality, un...Do not concur. Thought does not shape reality, unless you mean God's thought. Thought shapes the <i>perception</i> of reality, but that is because reality is reality and thought is thought. To the extent that thought conforms to reality, that is truth. Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-34823456437318661772013-03-05T09:27:35.262-08:002013-03-05T09:27:35.262-08:00Interestingly, Chopak's dictum is part right -...Interestingly, Chopak's dictum is part right - thought does shape reality through the action that proceeds from that thought. But the narcissistic part of it is that it leaves ambiguous where the thought originates from - the assumption is 'me'! (Thus Tori's talk about 'intention')<br /><br />We all know, however, that the immaterial part of the man is more of an instrument - like a harp - than a seat of power. Does Tori ever question where the intentions come from? <br /><br />In this rhetorical question, the actual answer you should be thinking is, 'Tori's marketing'.<br /><br />It's also telling how the state of California's economy / state budget coincides with the number of 'Spiritual Entrepreneurs'.<br /><br />I'd pay a priest 89 bucks for a house blessing (in some places that's what you did since the priest didn't get a salary) than buy a soycheese candle.<br /><br />Burn crosses into ALL of the thresholds!Ephrem Antony Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032465992619034619noreply@blogger.com