tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post7263833719354939682..comments2024-03-27T11:16:36.951-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: God in a NotshallGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-61476067270545841142009-07-15T07:13:15.584-07:002009-07-15T07:13:15.584-07:00Van, would I be correct in assuming that you’re im...Van, would I be correct in assuming that you’re implying that…<br /><br />It don’t mean a thing if it ain’t got that swing (Doo Wop A Dop, Doo Dop A Wop Dooooooo!)lurker uncloakingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-12726874535040161572009-07-15T06:28:46.658-07:002009-07-15T06:28:46.658-07:00Like the Man said, "Yet a time is coming and ...Like the Man said, "Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth." Jn 4:23-24<br /><br />Truth is the notes, the Spirit, what Music!...and worship is the dance God loves.NoMohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01100042056270224683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-78602810703185383652009-07-15T05:31:41.516-07:002009-07-15T05:31:41.516-07:00"I'm guessing that the few readers who ha..."I'm guessing that the few readers who have made it this far have a mild headache, but again, we are being as literal as possible. We are not trying to be annoying, just trying to put God in a notshall. This paradoxical formula is how we understand the truism that "God is everything, but every thing is only 'God manifest.'" It is also why "all finite reality is understood to require infinite reality for its full intelligibility and completion." But how does one talk about the infinite with finite language? "<br /><br />Isn't this similar to the analogy we commonly use here, that of music? We've got defined notes and scales, and written music, and we've got the consumate musicians who often do, and often urge 'Forget the notes man, just plaAayyy...."<br /><br />The scales and notes would be the cataphatic, the just plaAayyy would be the apophatic, neither approach can create music without the other. The first would be mechanical, the second pure noise, real music inevitably involves some merging of the two, but in undefinable ways, to put the Muse in the Music, both approaches must be involved for the Muse to become eminent in the Music. Even in a symphony setting, there are no robo-sicians, even while reading and playing from sheet music, the 'Real' music is only found outside either approach, "All things are simultaneously "within" [the Music], and yet, are not [the Music]. You might say that the [notes] is [the Music], but [the Music] is not the [notes]". <br /><br />Learning to play music involves both, relying more heavily on one than the other at different times, but the Music itself is never fully described by either or found in one or the other, it results only from their combined dance.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-76618880740024900622009-07-15T03:25:47.419-07:002009-07-15T03:25:47.419-07:00Posts like this is where I find out just how see w...Posts like this is where I find out just how see worthy my vessel is.USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-68790392421934542772009-07-15T03:10:05.735-07:002009-07-15T03:10:05.735-07:00"A wee bit O grog helps..."
Or a lot O ..."A wee bit O grog helps..."<br /><br />Or a lot O grog, in my case.<br /><br />"But how does one talk about the infinite with finite language?"<br /><br />Drink! See? Cap'n Bob gets it!Skullynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-19956906151298081072009-07-15T03:04:25.085-07:002009-07-15T03:04:25.085-07:00IOW's we gotta right the ship, get a fix on wh...IOW's we gotta right the ship, get a fix on where we are, but more importantly, find out who we are 'cause we already gno we gotta BE who we are (and thus who we are meant to be) before we chART a gnu course to our Destiny. <br /> <br />Our inner ship not only needs renovations n' repairs, but it must evolve as the Master sees fit.<br />Thing is, we gotta gno it n' want it. Otherwise we just sail the same old sees. <br /><br />A wee bit O grog helps to innerstand sometimes.USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-41803013109648569932009-07-15T02:50:30.555-07:002009-07-15T02:50:30.555-07:00Bravo zulu, Bob!
My mind is in awe mode as i red ...Bravo zulu, Bob!<br /><br />My mind is in awe mode as i red and reread your post, and this is not the first time you have "ratcheted" it up n' in. :^)<br /><br />"As you can blindly see, you must O-bliterate language in order to allow it to coonform to ultimate reality."<br /><br />You have said this before, and it's startin' to sink (rise) in (within). <br />We gotta think, coontemplate, pray, gno, realize, actualize...BE...outside the chains of materialism and break through for the breakthrough within to the eternal see of our <br />O-tential.<br /><br />Thanks, Bob. :^)USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-59131920814434656962009-07-14T22:08:33.963-07:002009-07-14T22:08:33.963-07:00Thus, you are present in your absence. You are som...<i>Thus, you are present in your absence. You are somewhere off in the future, calling out to yourself in the now, beckoning yourself to be. </i><br /><br />Those voices in my head......they sound so....familiar...robinstarfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15665546554663005609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-87666567743741091662009-07-14T21:29:28.532-07:002009-07-14T21:29:28.532-07:00Sus - Perhaps this is how.Sus - Perhaps this is <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2014:16-20;&version=49" rel="nofollow">how</a>.NoMohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01100042056270224683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-23829221562841177482009-07-14T21:05:59.989-07:002009-07-14T21:05:59.989-07:00Yes, but I'll always not know I'm right ab...Yes, but I'll always not know I'm right about everything, either.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-20389994628723777022009-07-14T20:56:01.377-07:002009-07-14T20:56:01.377-07:00It's kind of a shame that you'll never kno...It's kind of a shame that you'll never know you're wrong about everything.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-75569471773849348182009-07-14T17:47:39.635-07:002009-07-14T17:47:39.635-07:00We'll definitely get to that. Maybe even tomo...We'll definitely get to that. Maybe even tomorrow.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-11851772575003557332009-07-14T17:26:05.562-07:002009-07-14T17:26:05.562-07:00I noticed apophatic, but missed cataphatic this ti...I noticed apophatic, but missed cataphatic this time. That's what I get for skimming that paragraph! Bob, how would you describe actual experiences of God's manifest presence using this dialectic? I mean the times when His presence is bearing down on you. Or He's speaking very, very clearly--might as well be audibly. Or times when you fall under a deep conviction *not* generated by your own mind. It's definitely "other" and it's definitely right in line with scriptural revelation. KWIM?Susannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16381272662339466736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-87187032877541765492009-07-14T10:56:50.798-07:002009-07-14T10:56:50.798-07:00"You might even call this approach dialectica..."You might even call this approach dialectical immaterialism." - Check,<br />"I'm guessing that the few readers who have made it this far have a mild headache" - check.<br /><br />Unlike Will, I believe this is the first engagement I've had with apophatic and cataphatic since... the last time... taking two bare aspirings and I may cull by morning but most certainly will not recall in mourning.<br /><br />"I should warn you in advance that you won't be able to skim this one" - check.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-85193505513786794442009-07-14T10:43:59.355-07:002009-07-14T10:43:59.355-07:00Sign of the times<a href="http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/07/sign_of_the_times_2.html" rel="nofollow">Sign of the times</a>ximezenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-64304018242707318262009-07-14T09:43:50.936-07:002009-07-14T09:43:50.936-07:00God is like water. When He is "ice" = m...God is like water. When He is "ice" = matter- rocks, earth, etc.<br /><br />When like liquid water =life--trees, animals, etc.<br /><br />And like steam = consciousness (us).<br /><br />So cosmic evolution is directed towards making steam out of ice and water, if you want to look at that way. Eventually everything will come to a boil. <br /><br />What's outside the pot? Nothing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-89690122005698484982009-07-14T08:24:38.049-07:002009-07-14T08:24:38.049-07:00"...you won't be able to skim this one......<i>"...you won't be able to skim this one..."</i><br /><br />Yeah, like that always works!<br /><br />I must have benefitted from your considered explications, for I was able to follow right along without even reaching for the dictionary.<br /><br />It has seemed to me that to perceive, or even glimpse, or gno, or intuit the <i>"seven-dimensional blankit",</i> one's vision has to function multi-directionally and multi-dimensionally <i>simultaneously,</i> rather than the plodding Me----->That that occurs in the day-to-day horizontal doings. <br /><br />Such a Vision, although interior, would be All-O-Round us All-At-Once. This is difficult to describe, using linear language. But you do it pretty well.walthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01388218390016612051noreply@blogger.com