tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post671990245122799837..comments2024-03-28T20:04:20.286-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: Looking for Slack in All the Wrong PlacesGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-71441001796524849902011-05-21T09:28:13.493-07:002011-05-21T09:28:13.493-07:00Since I cannot help you, you are off the hook. Go...Since I cannot help you, you are off the hook. Good luck with your question.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-51141906743269421982011-05-21T09:13:52.926-07:002011-05-21T09:13:52.926-07:00GB: This is even mudder, and purposely so, it woul...GB: This is even mudder, and purposely so, it would seem. <br /><br />You misunderstand and misjudge me. I was not looking for "spiritual guidance", or for you to advise me on my path along "The Way".<br />I was asking you to explain yourself. If I had "an issue" to "resolve" it was merely this. This you have failed to do.<br /><br />And perhaps I have misjudged you as well. Really GB, you surprise me here--that was a meager and evasive response. It is not worthy of you, or so I would have thought heretofore. Must be a slack day or somethin'. It comes off as so much New Age poppycock. I am calling you on it.<br /><br />Clairity on such weighted terms obviusly essential to understanding. To imagine otherwise in just sheer imbecility, <i> and you know it</i>, else you would not have bothered to write a book about it in the fisrt pace. concoct your peculiar symbology or create a blog. Your position is absurd <i>prima facie</i>.<br /><br />Shirking this responsibility on some bizarre dodge of "filling with experience" and a false and uncalled for dictacticism is beneath you, and rather juvenile--suprizingly so coming from you. It smacks of the worst sort of Gnosticism and antinomianism, not to menation vanity. As you well know, this all has long been chewed over before any of us where ever born. Do you really think that you stand outside that great an ancient conversation?<br />(I find this hard to believe).<br /><br />This is what one expects but of liberals and not from you. Surely you see that you have the responsibility to explain yourself (and to have the decency not to assume some sort of experiential or "spiritual" superiority).<br /><br /><br />My questions still stand unanswered. Just explan yourself like adults do and do stop assigning homework. Honestly, you lately spend so much tome preaching to the choir that you are in danger of becoming obscure.<br /><br />We all are not in some "Amen Corner', you know. I would think that you would fear such a thing. If you do not then you should fear it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-34886716764181401802011-05-20T10:18:33.402-07:002011-05-20T10:18:33.402-07:00Anon:
Actually, no definitions will resolve your ...Anon:<br /><br />Actually, no definitions will resolve your issue, only experience. Begin with two variables, (•) and (¶). Now fill them with experiential content. Then we will have something more tangible to discuss.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-59488517001110818362011-05-20T10:07:52.737-07:002011-05-20T10:07:52.737-07:00Anon:
Rather than try to define the various terms...Anon:<br /><br />Rather than try to define the various terms, it is better to collapse them into a singularity.<br /><br />Try to come up with one term that encompasses soul, spirit, psyche, and psychic, and mind.<br /><br />They are all varying gradations of consciousness, rather than separate entities.ingestion questionnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-17286625869650201852011-05-20T08:41:04.210-07:002011-05-20T08:41:04.210-07:00Well that was about a clear as mud, your collectiv...Well that was about a clear as mud, your collective response to my request for clarification. (Let me point out that I was really addressing the proprietor here, but, of course, all responses are welcome.)<br /><br />I really do not think that you have so far grabbed the ring.<br /><br />Certainly, I think it has nothing to do with reincarnation, if that is what one of you is saying (though I may have just misunderstood your poetics here).<br /><br />GB put out a "dichotomy of psyche divorced from spirit", tp praphrase, so the vertical and horizontal "crosshairs" do not not illuminate much either. They are perforce separated to some degree or another. By definition there cannot be a unity here, or a unity of equals in the sense of a "communion". There as to be some of heirarchy here, some sort of "ascension". otherwise it is just a form of chaos or "spiritual schizophrenia". <br /><br />But again, I am not really interested at the moment in his comment about "Intellectuals" as it apples to "ntellectuals" per se; I think that there are a lot of concepts floating around here: "the individual", "psyche", "soul", "spirit". etc., and lots of implied (and not so implied) background: "Life", "morality", "being", and "the cosmos", obviously. Terms such as "psyche", "soul", "spirit", "self" are so burdened with so may meanings that I do think some clarification is asking too much, particularly when they are presented as a dichotomy or in apposition or opposition. <br /><br />For exaample, in the Classic World, Psyche meant "soul". In Christian metaphysics, Soul and Spirit are rather different things and the term psyche rarely comes up--it is certainly not the same as "soul". <br />Here, the classical meaninng is somewhat elided between soul, self and spirit. There are also differeces in Confessions. In modern psychology, "psyche" means yet another thing--in fact they mean different things here depending on whose concepts you are discussing.<br />(For example, Jung makes a structural distinction between psyche, spirit and psychic--not that I am some sort of deep Jung scholar or even a fan, mind you).<br />Infamously, in philopshy these terms have all sorts of meanings.<br /><br /><br />I am not arguing anything here, I just want a little clarity, and I do not imagine that your "definitions are written in stone. The various responses i got show that this is needed, I would say.<br /><br />Again, that dichotomy presented of psyche divorced from spirit comes to mind. This sounds true, but is a rather fuzzy statement to me when I drill into it, and I am far from obtuse or "horizontal". Again, I am look for clarification, not argument.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-55972460023649855312011-05-20T08:32:09.830-07:002011-05-20T08:32:09.830-07:00An awesome 1950 song from The Blenders, ho.
(Rate...An awesome 1950 <a href="http://symbiotaxiplasm.tumblr.com/post/4957299781/r-a-t-e-d-x-the-blenders-dont-fuck-around" rel="nofollow">song</a> from The Blenders, ho.<br /><br />(Rated X, for X marks the spot.)Mizz Ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02325435271880036807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-50116949185490243792011-05-20T08:17:00.812-07:002011-05-20T08:17:00.812-07:00Mizze quoted " Step by step he explains how t...Mizze quoted " Step by step he explains how the lens of the mind can be trained to see the mind in oneself and others. “Relationship is key,” he emphasizes. “When we work with relationship, we work with brain structure. Relationship stimulates us and is essential in our development."<br /><br />Excellent. Relationship is key to knowledge itself, the depth and integrity of the relationships in your knowledge defines whether or not what you know is worth knowing, it's far more important than the simple expanse of data you might have collected. The person who see's a direct and vital relationship between their word, their life, love and happiness, has a wisdom more profound and worthwhile than the professor who knows all but cannot detect a relationship between any three bits of data infesting his grey matter.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-9033416591732715092011-05-20T08:01:45.102-07:002011-05-20T08:01:45.102-07:00Regarding Siegel, I have long recommended his work...Regarding Siegel, I have long recommended his work. What he doesn't know is that he is talking about the trinitarian nature of man.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-65123526259486085192011-05-20T07:53:45.448-07:002011-05-20T07:53:45.448-07:00This too:
"I have learnt that all men live n...This too:<br /><br />"I have learnt that all men live not by care for themselves but by love. It was not given to the mother to know what her children needed for their life. Nor was it given to the rich man to know what he himself needed. Nor is it given to any man to know whether, when evening comes, he will need boots for his body or slippers for his corpse."<br /><br />-Leo TolstoyMizz Ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02325435271880036807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1420408494994073502011-05-20T07:53:27.175-07:002011-05-20T07:53:27.175-07:00""The parents' secrets are often a p...""The parents' secrets are often a palpable presence in the household, even if, sometimes especially if, they remain unarticulated" (ibid). The secret It-self can become "alluring, forbidden, and mysterious." It is imbued with temptation, which holds out a promise to the It that is always broken."<br /><br />As Tolkein said in his Mythopoeia, 'There <i>are</i> monsters in the dark'.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-27416997487842501402011-05-20T07:50:27.550-07:002011-05-20T07:50:27.550-07:00Expanding today's, now yesterday's, theme ...Expanding today's, now yesterday's, theme --<a href="http://www.parabola.org/the-neurobiology-of-we" rel="nofollow">THE NEUROBIOLOGY OF "WE"</a><br /><br />A quote from that longish, but worthwhile read:<br /><br /><i>In Siegel’s recent books, Mindsight and The Mindful Therapist, he emphasizes the regulatory role of the mind, which can both monitor and modify what’s happening. Step by step he explains how the lens of the mind can be trained to see the mind in oneself and others. “Relationship is key,” he emphasizes. “When we work with relationship, we work with brain structure. Relationship stimulates us and is essential in our development. People rarely mention relationship in brain studies, but it provides vital input to the brain. Every form of psychotherapy that works, works because it creates healthier brain function and structure.… In approaching our lives, we can ask where do we experience the chaos or rigidity that reveal where integration is impaired. We can then use the focus of our attention to integrate both our brain and our relationships. Ultimately we can learn to be open in an authentic way to others, and to ourselves. The outcome of such an integrative presence is not only a sense of deep well-being and compassion for ourselves and others, but also an opening of the doors of awareness to a sense of the interdependence of everything. ‘We’ are indeed a part of an interconnected whole.”</i>Mizz Ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02325435271880036807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-91874311206860883942011-05-20T07:48:54.256-07:002011-05-20T07:48:54.256-07:00"However, the more of one's private self ..."However, the more of one's private self can be expressed in public, the more content we will be. In other words, you don't want your public life to be too much at odds with your private life."<br /><br />To be at odds... not just being selective about what and how much of your private life you make public, but to be at odds with each other, to be in conflict with your self, to be lying about <i>your<b>self</b></i>, isn't that withdrawing you, from your own life? <br /><br />What is it that is left in your public persona, without you in it?<br /><br />Damn zombies. <br /><br />'... Zombies and Slackpires and leftists, <i>oh my!</i>'Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-37222583930900765782011-05-20T07:21:07.314-07:002011-05-20T07:21:07.314-07:00"Yes, we realize most of you don't care a..."Yes, we realize most of you don't care about this subject, but perhaps you don't realize that we don't care that you don't care."<br /><br />Fortunately, I don't care that you don't care if I care, I'm just along for the ride. It's just fine with me if you want to continue going where I like being.<br /><br />Carry on.<br /><br />;-)Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-10405158500160231232011-05-19T16:50:08.724-07:002011-05-19T16:50:08.724-07:00"Or, to put it another way, we care very much..."Or, to put it another way, we care very much about you and your slack, but slack is often at odds with one's own perceived self-interest. Slack is no respecter of persons, at least in the anonymous sense. Slack is, however, a great respecter of individuals, and in many ways one could say that individualism is slack lived."<br /><br />Well said! We seek to cultivate and maintain Slack, while the leftists seek to cultivate and maintain Lack.<br /><br />But they also seek to force everyone else to live their LackLuster, pathetic, and Satanic Itopian hell.USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-81171468365680200352011-05-19T16:12:34.264-07:002011-05-19T16:12:34.264-07:00"The secret It-self can become "alluring..."The secret It-self can become "alluring, forbidden, and mysterious." It is imbued with temptation, which holds out a promise to the It that is always broken."<br /><br />This It is the same thing the left yearns and lives for: their "Itopia."<br />Of course It's really the Lie and it will always be a broken promise.<br /><br />But the vast majority of those who fall head over heels for this promised Itopia will fail to see It for what It is and blame us lovers of life, liberty and the pursuit of slack for It's failure to materialize. <br /><br />Falling for this Lie places one in deep shIt.USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-59078707856926496962011-05-19T16:04:43.004-07:002011-05-19T16:04:43.004-07:00"Of note, the secret life isn't really so..."Of note, the secret life isn't really so secret unless one is oblivious to its absent-presence. It is always picked up on in one way or another, especially by children -- who won't know what to call it -- resulting in the internalization of the family It."<br /><br />And we all have a cousin It (or uncle, aunt, brother, sister, niece, nephew, etc.).USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-86187376980774697402011-05-19T16:00:52.116-07:002011-05-19T16:00:52.116-07:00"What he meant by this is that our psychic wo..."What he meant by this is that our psychic world expands as the personal conscious mind colonizes and transforms more of the impersonal and unconscious "it" within (id is German for it). In other words, in each of us is the I and the It, in a dialectical process of gradual transformation."<br /><br />Ah...the illuminItI. :^)<br /><br />Mushroom: LOLOL! Whatever you do, don't chase the yougo karma.USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-80181227985135037962011-05-19T14:33:46.051-07:002011-05-19T14:33:46.051-07:00There was a hotshot Tibetan Buddhist once who crie...There was a hotshot Tibetan Buddhist once who cried when Mao died, because he actually empathized with the karmic debt Mao was gonna owe. Then there are others would’ve nuked Mao into oblivion, consequences be damned. <br /><br />I’m somewheres between the two - Nobody slaps Mother Theresa on my watch.flunkynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-62807026504776254492011-05-19T13:59:52.333-07:002011-05-19T13:59:52.333-07:00I'm trying to break my dogma from chasing karm...I'm trying to break my dogma from chasing karma.mushroomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07651027035577798096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-72876306177610826342011-05-19T13:29:10.256-07:002011-05-19T13:29:10.256-07:00Live yourself, and let live themselves.
I’ve trie...Live yourself, and let live themselves.<br /><br />I’ve tried to cut the bad people slack. But I think they’re made that way. They seem to love controlling everything - good, bad or ugly don’t matter. And then Jesus says “forgive” and Buddha says “karma”. But I find forgiveness is a dessert best eaten after serving the cold dish. And karma needs help. It’s important to know where to draw the line. Or circle. To protect the slack, yaknow.flunkynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-54345132547230559492011-05-19T12:34:51.039-07:002011-05-19T12:34:51.039-07:00The post is a superb meditation on the central mea...The post is a superb meditation on the central meaning and the problems of life, with an emphasis on marriage.<br /><br />I must commend the blog author for superiour work; there is none quite like him.<br /><br />To address Anon's questions regarding the definitions of soul, psyche, and spirit, the SlackMaster referred him to the cross-hairs where the vertical and horizontal axes of life meet.<br /><br />I will offer a different interpretation. I would discontinue the use of all three of these terms and change all vertical references to the "psychic being," the true being.<br /><br />This variously colored item, about the size and shape of the human thumb, rests in the chest cavity behind the heart in every person, however in a non-material dimension. <br /><br />It is the true self, many many lives old, that has been slowly accreting. It has access to its own past-life history. However, it is not in direct or good communication with the rest of the being.<br /><br />It does control the big things in life. It has decided when, where, and why to be born and live. It tries to guide by intuition or influence, more or less successfully.<br /><br />It is the real you. The more you can hear and express your psychic being, the more Slack you have.<br /><br />The psychic being is also in direct and continuous contact with God and is completely pure and egoless.<br /><br />Your true self is in fact a perfect thing of truth and beauty however it cannot fully express iteself in a liveng body but it tries over and over, learning more each time. Each life becomes more Slack filled and authentic.<br /><br />That's why life is such a beeyotch. It's a training session, every time.<br /><br />By living, a psychic being progressively grows in power, complexity, and beauty. It is growing, a work in progress on an infinite progression towards perfection. This God does for his own inscrutable purposes but probably for the joy of it.<br /><br />OR so said the Rishis. Draw your own conclusions.Somatic Magenta Violet Raynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-81538428392924926792011-05-19T12:18:09.918-07:002011-05-19T12:18:09.918-07:00We mean the local and horizontal ego vs. the nonlo...We mean the local and horizontal ego vs. the nonlocal being that is more oriented to the vertical. It is also the intellect properly so-called, as employed, for example, by Eckhart. Or, it is that into which we are born when we are born again in spirit. But we do not believe in "ascending" from personal ego to impersonal spirit; rather, our approach is to divinize both mind and flesh, which we believe to be the (or a) true message of Christianity.<br /><br />See Ken Wilber's Eye to Eye, where he documents this pattern in every tradition, i.e., the empirical eye of science, the rational eye of the soul, and the spiritual eye of higher self.The SlackMasternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-59106821281539771992011-05-19T11:49:44.947-07:002011-05-19T11:49:44.947-07:00This is OT, but I am curious about earlier comment...This is OT, but I am curious about earlier comment you made cocerning intellectuals, and psyche and spirit.<br /><br />I am not really interested in the problem with intellectuals, but rather in your usage of psyche and spirit and the dichotomy you seem to be suggesting. I am curious because you seems to be using a somewhat eccentric meanings here. It seems to neither correspond to the classical psychological usage, the traditional christian one, or even standard philosophical or theological ones. Ths might just be a misreading on my part and so ask you to clarify.<br /><br />Do you mean to contrast soul and spirit, or "personality" and soul, and if the later do you mean to say that soul is different than spirit? Just what do you mean when you say psyche, personality, soul and spirit?<br /><br />It confuses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-13796173979017670612011-05-19T10:05:02.499-07:002011-05-19T10:05:02.499-07:00Wow! Great post, Bob!
"if you are the type o...Wow! Great post, Bob!<br /><br />"if you are the type of person who cherishes truth, it would be quite painful to be .."<br /><br />...around those who don't.<br /><br />I believe Frankl was right when he said he suffered greater pain by injustice than the torture and starvation or any of the other physical pain he suffered.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13720790978632771716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-73539662546380947202011-05-19T09:57:20.677-07:002011-05-19T09:57:20.677-07:00Bob?Bob?The SlackMeisternoreply@blogger.com