tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post52205229389468229..comments2024-03-27T11:16:36.951-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: No Good Deity Goes UnpunishedGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-77275424577645189832011-09-13T01:55:49.670-07:002011-09-13T01:55:49.670-07:00"As Mendel describes it, "having to work..."As Mendel describes it, "having to work for the fruit of one's labor" is coterminous with "growth beyond an infant's immediate and total gratification," the latter of which is "always the miraculous core of the millennial fantasy." <br /><br />The big mistake of Adolphus Huxely's book called 'Brave New world' and its dystopian view. As a young man, I was haunted by this portrayed horrible future and saw reflections of this vision manifested in society and the goals of the politicians - especially the Democrats. I am now older and now see the fruits of trying to attain this kind of paradise (why it horrified me, I wasn;t sure, but like 'John' in the story, that society was bereft of meaning - and a soul) with the inevitable collapse of the Welfare State.<br /><br />I have seem situations which would have been perfect for harmony among people and found time and time again, people would find the damndest ways to fight with each other and create a hierarchy. As the Terminator said in one of his movies "It is in our nature to destroy ourselves". Quite sad, really.<br /><br />I have learned that Iit is not healthy for adults to get a handout. Children, too, need to put in effort - though at a lessor extent.<br /><br />St Benedict was right: ora et labora.Cond0011https://www.blogger.com/profile/04576204654819543273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-73078444769299529252011-09-12T20:56:20.307-07:002011-09-12T20:56:20.307-07:00Heh - speaking of millenialism, if anyone is looki...Heh - speaking of millenialism, if anyone is looking for a secure shelter for 2012, <a href="http://www.hardenedstructures.com/2012.html" rel="nofollow">these guys can hook you up</a>...juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-2998849224090569222011-09-12T17:49:38.190-07:002011-09-12T17:49:38.190-07:00anon, Interesting link. What do you guess is the...anon, Interesting link. What do you guess is the total number of these White supremacists? I did a little digging and found one estimate of <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-10-20-hategroups_N.htm" rel="nofollow">50,000</a> in the USA and then in the same article it says Stormfront, (the go-to site for racist hate) has 144,000 members. Anyhow, It's a drop in the bucket compared to the billion plus Muslims and the who-knows-how-many, anti-Semitic lefties. The folks you mentioned have no political power in the US, they are fringe nuts. Oh, and a lot of them are pagans. Interesting.John Lienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15607964922479543670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-76226883315027892232011-09-12T17:44:10.594-07:002011-09-12T17:44:10.594-07:00Hey anumnuts, you forgot to mention Alex Jones is ...Hey anumnuts, you forgot to mention Alex Jones is white and I think possibly a Christian: ergo all white Christians agree with his stooped fantasies.<br /><br />Jeez, where do they all come from?Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16202441664961886198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-32102196162794226662011-09-12T13:35:11.115-07:002011-09-12T13:35:11.115-07:00anunce said "Interesting world you live in, t...anunce said "Interesting world you live in, too bad it's not the same one the rest of us inhabit."<br /><br />Too true. Too, too, true.<br /><br />wv wishes to add: sadjundeVan Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-19602385874213074832011-09-12T13:33:12.001-07:002011-09-12T13:33:12.001-07:00"For this was the first people who sought com..."For this was the first people who sought communion with God through ethical behavior..."<br /><br />It's hard to imagine anything that could more clearly show the vertical relief from the horizontal... I don't know what it would be.<br /><br />Other than looking up. But I repeat myself.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-48854913669629729052011-09-12T12:56:20.728-07:002011-09-12T12:56:20.728-07:00"Mendel writes that "Biblical man and wo..."Mendel writes that "Biblical man and woman are committed to this world, come what may, because their God not only created it, but called it good, 'very good.'""<br /><br />Yep. Without that, all the rest, a True Vertical to make the horizontal distinguishable, would never be possible, let alone become a scientific possibility.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-871124687923379212011-09-12T12:53:12.048-07:002011-09-12T12:53:12.048-07:00...thugs for hope...
Exactly, all the utopians en...<i>...thugs for hope...</i><br /><br />Exactly, all the utopians end up being thugs for hope.<br /><br />Christianity offers hope for thugs.mushroomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07651027035577798096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-18275352338483589942011-09-12T12:48:59.431-07:002011-09-12T12:48:59.431-07:00What makes it so interesting is that this complete...<i>What makes it so interesting is that this completely marginal and undistinguished group of slaves and nomads somehow arrived at the most functional and humane way of organizing society. As I have suggested before, this itself argues for a supernatural source ....with no attempt at a real explanation.</i><br /><br />This is in the great tradition of Nietzsche, who, though he says such a conclusion is a function of the silly prejudices of philosophers, offers no light himself.mushroomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07651027035577798096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-2749540797456907322011-09-12T12:35:22.026-07:002011-09-12T12:35:22.026-07:00Frankly. But rankly works too.Frankly. But rankly works too.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-20685274939551044132011-09-12T12:34:32.003-07:002011-09-12T12:34:32.003-07:00Israelis will be relieved to learn that those geno...Israelis will be relieved to learn that those genocidal Islamists surrounding them are just a <a href="http://www.publiceye.org/liberty/training/project-home.html" rel="nofollow">manufactured menace</a>, while Jews may be surprised to learn that marriage is a <a rel="nofollow">right wing conspiracy</a>.<br /><br />Rankly, reality itself is a conservative conspiracy.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-22569561999416998842011-09-12T12:22:37.669-07:002011-09-12T12:22:37.669-07:00It is no wonder that all of the wholesale anti-Sem...<i><br />It is no wonder that all of the wholesale anti-Semitism in the world emanates from the left and from Islam. Evil prefers to operate under cover of darkness, and hates to be watched and judged.</i><br /><br />Interesting world you live in, <a href="http://www.publiceye.org/racism/white-supremacy.html" rel="nofollow">too bad it's not the same one the rest of us inhabit</a>.anonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18207020184445548247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-344832732728281562011-09-12T10:28:47.167-07:002011-09-12T10:28:47.167-07:00On "growth beyond an infant's immediate a...On "growth beyond an infant's immediate and total gratification," <a href="http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2011/08/31/a_1979_first_grade_readiness_checklist_asks_if_your_child_can_tr.html?fb_ref=fb_activity_plugin" rel="nofollow">Kids 30 years ago</a><br /><br />Okay, shutting up now...juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-78411242423821663662011-09-12T10:23:07.123-07:002011-09-12T10:23:07.123-07:00Evil prefers to operate under cover of darkness, a...<i>Evil prefers to operate under cover of darkness, and hates to be watched and judged.</i><br /><br />This bangs the gong as well; last night reading TotB, JPII included this quote from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirach" rel="nofollow">Sirach</a> 23:<br /><br />"The man who is unfaithful to his own marriage bed says to himself, 'Who can see me? There is darkness all round me, the walls hide me; no one can see me, why should I be afraid? The Most High will not remember my sins.' What he fears are human eyes; he does not realize that the eyes of the Lord are ten thousand times brighter than the sun; they see all the acts of men and penetrate into the most secret corners..."juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-33376313662984253152011-09-12T10:14:20.749-07:002011-09-12T10:14:20.749-07:00For this was the first people who sought communion...<i>For this was the first people who sought communion with God through ethical behavior</i><br /><br />and<br /><br /><i>One thing that accounts for the durability of this vision is that it is actually in accord with human beings as we find them, not as we wish them to be.</i><br /><br />Indeed; for if people were already perfect, there would be no need to describe ethical behavior. There would just be behavior. For that matter, following Darwinism to its logical conclusion results in the same description - mere "behavior" - though for the opposite reason.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-54229134915359654442011-09-12T10:08:38.366-07:002011-09-12T10:08:38.366-07:00Plus, each generation needs to rediscover and assi...Plus, each generation needs to rediscover and assimilate the truth of Man -- which really slows things down.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-10813850524119182962011-09-12T09:38:20.620-07:002011-09-12T09:38:20.620-07:00There is so much explained here.
Thanks again, ...There is so much explained here. <br /><br />Thanks again, Bob.<br /><br />This stuck out.<br /><br />"To put it another way, we always fall short of what we ought to be and do, but we must never stop trying. It goes with the terra-tory, which is to say, terra, earth."<br /> <br />That is the meaning of life isn't it? Just try to do the right thing. Never reach the goal. It's like life is just one 80 year trip to the gym. (bit of a drag sometimes, isn't it?)<br /><br />Also, I like the reality that true societal evolution is a slow, steady upward climb. No shortcuts, no fast improvements. Just the cumulative effect of enough people trying to do the right thing.John Lienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15607964922479543670noreply@blogger.com