tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post4437454953629714027..comments2024-03-28T20:04:20.286-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: Nocturnal Stinkubations of the Left (12.01.10)Gagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-62015195143659336342012-03-26T10:05:33.449-07:002012-03-26T10:05:33.449-07:00Taking a random dive into the Knowa's Archive,...Taking a random dive into the Knowa's Archive, found this: "But it takes two to tango to a tangle of pathology, and it is always tempting to overpathologize the abuser and underpathologize the abused, when the dysfunctional system needs both parties in order to function as a national rescue party -- to party heartily (or in the end, heartlessly). Masochists are on the lookout for sadists, driven to find their missing half just as much as the sadist seeks the weak masochist."<br /><br />I was having a similar thought this week with our 'raucous caucus' here in St. Charles, mo. Most of the things Tea Partiers & Libertarians were upset at the Conservatives over, and what all three were upset with the Democrats & Govt over, were on display from each, to each other. Pre-Planned 'spontaneous' responses, pre-determined outrage, agreeing to be 'fair minded' by nominating folks from other candidates groups in order to manipulate the caucus - their fellow citizens - into voting 'the right way' and tanking the person 'the people' might actually have chosen to choose... where would a bruised and bloodied elephant be without a mean ol' media and Dem to beat them? Why, beating themselves, of course.<br /><br />People who have a need to find people who are doing wrong to them, often just seem to have a need for wrong being done to them by the right people... when possible, or whoever is available in a pinch.<br /><br />Politicians... amazing how political people think the term doesn't apply to themselves as well as the people they support/hate.<br /><br />Politics. <br /><br />Meh.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-10087664715107412862007-03-25T20:35:00.000-07:002007-03-25T20:35:00.000-07:00Best truth: "They changed the name to progressivis...Best truth: "They changed the name to progressivism to conceal the fact that it was really the same old whine of socialism in a new bottle!"Bob's Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11971565970366294930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-8832056965662439412007-03-23T16:29:00.000-07:002007-03-23T16:29:00.000-07:00Line Judge said "No harm, no foul."That makes the ...Line Judge said "No harm, no foul."<BR/><BR/>That makes the score 'Love', right?<BR/><BR/>;-)Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-33109370834975453722007-03-23T16:28:00.000-07:002007-03-23T16:28:00.000-07:00dilys said "I figured I was pretty much the old-la...dilys said "I figured I was pretty much the old-lady pariah muttering woe!, woe! in the smoky corner near the crossroads while the young bucks lark for a bit..."<BR/><BR/>In case there's any confusion I echo Joan of Argghh!'s comments all the way!Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-5114306888374955282007-03-23T10:05:00.000-07:002007-03-23T10:05:00.000-07:00OK Van. There's forests and there's trees, but... ...OK Van. There's forests and there's trees, but... Self is the only judge that counts, after all. No harm, no foul.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-2715030023135099562007-03-23T06:16:00.000-07:002007-03-23T06:16:00.000-07:00[Shucks, Joan, aw, oh shoot, sheesh, and I figured...[Shucks, Joan, aw, oh shoot, sheesh, and I figured I was pretty much the old-lady pariah muttering <EM>woe!, woe!</EM> in the smoky corner near the crossroads while the young bucks lark for a bit...Anyhoo]<BR/><BR/>Here is <A HREF="http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/004872.html#more-4872" REL="nofollow">an interesting post at Chicagoboyz</A> of sideways relevance to OC. A geographer's review of a book on conservative rituals, male initiation, and other good stuff a bit more concrete as a supplement to OC's fine high rhetoric of the spheres. <BR/><BR/>Does anyone else have the fantasy that if (s)he had the education bit to do over, it'd be geography? Because it has some tenuous but continuing connection with dirt and the earth and real trajectories of motion, it hasn't been hijacked by the postmoderns as anthropology has.<BR/><BR/>"Conservatives need conservative culture theory to better understand the social institutions and practices that are necessary to conserve conservative goods like community, authority, piety, solidarity, and manliness. Conservatism must become [among a few of its better apologists (d.)], in spite of its own best instincts, more theoretical, if only to understand how and why it must become more conservative."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-64313744027749022972007-03-23T05:08:00.000-07:002007-03-23T05:08:00.000-07:00GB, I'm just along for the ride these last few day...GB, <BR/><BR/>I'm just along for the ride these last few days, being fairly gobsmacked by the last 3 posts--- and by Dilys' excellent additions. Honestly, you provide excellent daily bread, but when Dilys shows up, we all know there's gonna be some jammin' extras to savor. <BR/><BR/>I must've bookmarked all of this series, waiting for a week or two when I can sit back and make them sink into my sub-coonscious. <BR/><BR/>But you <I>will</I> keep on writing and I'll keep falling woefully behind the rest of the den. Sigh.<BR/><BR/>Meanwhile, work is my present reality/dream/death. Except for my lunchtime repast with Bob and den-denizens of OC, I wouldn't have the heart to face it all every day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-21791943243754351282007-03-22T21:23:00.000-07:002007-03-22T21:23:00.000-07:00line judge said... "Wow Van. You're (so) cynical, ...line judge said... "Wow Van. You're (so) cynical, you must be smart."<BR/><BR/>Cynical? Hold on, let me re-read the words... hmmm... no, wait, let me check where the words came from... no... nope... cynics still make me roll my eyes & groan, even laugh a wee bit at them, but no interest in being or practicing...that....<BR/><BR/>You know, I don't think that word, it means what you think it means....Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-23693380035905074862007-03-22T20:20:00.000-07:002007-03-22T20:20:00.000-07:00Wow Van. You're (so) cynical, you must be smart.Ap...Wow Van. You're (so) cynical, you must be smart.<BR/><BR/>Apply the "so" at the source of pain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-58436726313407285902007-03-22T18:44:00.000-07:002007-03-22T18:44:00.000-07:00koffee kritic,Judging by the rest of your comment,...koffee kritic,<BR/>Judging by the rest of your comment, it seems entirely possible that you aren't aware of the first error you made (after all the letters do sound similar), so I'll just point out that Coffee and Critic are both spelled with a 'C'.<BR/><BR/>If you're going to try and make yourself look good by association with statements like "We're intelligent people", don't precede it with so much proof to the contrary.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-38450429624553675982007-03-22T18:15:00.000-07:002007-03-22T18:15:00.000-07:00Ricky I visited your den before I read your inaugu...Ricky <BR/>I visited your den before I read your inaugural announcement here. I found the link at Ben's.<BR/> <BR/>You've answered the call from above and I gno all<BR/>manner of strength and support will flow your way. <BR/>Coongrats!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-14872087363027760992007-03-22T17:57:00.000-07:002007-03-22T17:57:00.000-07:00Conservatives, because they generally have lives, ...<I>Conservatives, because they generally have lives, don't have time to stage pseudo-events called "demomstrations" in which the unwashed carry around signs bearing the ungrammatical.</I><BR/><BR/>Incidentally, this also explains why Wikipedia and other "open-source" knowledge bases display such a profound bias in manners spiritual and political - the conservatives have actual things to do with their lives, better things than sitting around making sure Wikipedia maintains its neutrality (whatever you think neutral may be).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-36011418689504623482007-03-22T17:56:00.000-07:002007-03-22T17:56:00.000-07:00Juliec,Please pardon my funny at your expense.I ap...Juliec,<BR/>Please pardon my funny at your expense.<BR/>I appreciate all two of us.<BR/><BR/>But seriously, thanks for dropping by.<BR/>..and Van, Ben and Robinstafish.<BR/>RRRickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-71458726537978987642007-03-22T17:53:00.000-07:002007-03-22T17:53:00.000-07:00Bob, you mentioned yesterday that a 'Coon should n...Bob, you mentioned yesterday that a 'Coon should never be bitter, and I appreciate the good cheer, and Light-heartedness, that so often appears in your posts.<BR/><BR/>And yet...<BR/><BR/>Perhaps I am a bit "too informed" about socio-cultural events - for when I bump against what you called "this codependent idiot compassion," or view "the destruction wrought by (leftist) policies," ...er, let's just say I don't react well. So posts like today's help get the issues very clear, and the "clarity" Lightens things up. Which is nice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-65324481037104973242007-03-22T17:47:00.000-07:002007-03-22T17:47:00.000-07:00Ricky,don't I count?; )Ricky,<BR/>don't I count?<BR/>; )Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-10392108599440994742007-03-22T16:54:00.000-07:002007-03-22T16:54:00.000-07:00Dr Bob,You think you don't have any readers?Sheesh...Dr Bob,<BR/><BR/>You think you don't have any readers?<BR/>Sheesh! I don't have a one.<BR/><BR/>But then again how could I?<BR/>I've barely told a soul...<BR/><BR/>This 'coon's been working in the shadows over at:<BR/>http://ricky-racoon.blogspot.com/<BR/><BR/>The site will be centered on the American Revolution - its metaphysical reflections of the Bible and the order of the Cosmos. I believe the Founders still offer us much needed perspective on the struggles of our time – and I intend to do what I can to lend a hand with its delivery.<BR/><BR/>The site will also touch on these reflections in art, music - heck the Cosmos - topics I know almost nothing about but would like to know at least twice as much.<BR/><BR/>The posts will be delivered in doses sized just for me - and potential 'coons (but don’t know it yet) who may juuuust be about ready for an introduction to the subject matter treated in this manner.<BR/><BR/>Sort of an intro to One Cosmos but with an added dash of American Revolution.<BR/><BR/>Dr. Bob - you gave birth to another happy, healthy young 'coon.<BR/>And you didn't even know you had it in you.<BR/><BR/>All fellow 'coons, March fourth!<BR/>...over to my den.<BR/>And let me know what you think of the 'so far'.<BR/><BR/>With a few intro posts there now, I think I've got the foundation established well enough that I'm pleased with it and that I think readers can tell where it’s headed.<BR/>It should be ready now too for constructive criticism.<BR/>Stop by and leave a note...even if only a Glasr salute ;-)!<BR/>I'd be honored.<BR/>Thanks<BR/>RRRickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-17831828470842231352007-03-22T14:22:00.000-07:002007-03-22T14:22:00.000-07:00You wrote"the environmentalists would allow millio...You wrote<BR/>"the environmentalists would allow millions to die as a result of the catastrophic effect on the global economy, including food production."<BR/><BR/>Actually, I believe the death of<BR/>(nearly) all humans was one of the<BR/>stated goals of some of the leaders<BR/>of the environmental movement.<BR/><BR/>Give my regards to Petey.<BR/><BR/>-Another BobAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-3836324665163161042007-03-22T14:05:00.000-07:002007-03-22T14:05:00.000-07:00Dear Bob,"I don't get your point"Nothing much, I j...Dear Bob,<BR/><BR/>"I don't get your point"<BR/><BR/>Nothing much, I just think that the night is as luminous as the day to the One who created both, and of course the concepts of "sleep" and "dream" don't really apply to Him. The "dark side" and the "shadow" etc. just seem like over-worked metaphors. <BR/><BR/>To me, the left is more of a Bizarro-world version of what it thinks it is.Gandalinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09196550750055246901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-91503572440411206982007-03-22T12:06:00.000-07:002007-03-22T12:06:00.000-07:00Well, the Cosmos is at it again.Seems the Scientis...Well, the Cosmos is at it again.<BR/>Seems the Scientismists don’t know everything after all.<BR/><BR/>Incredible images…don’t miss ‘em.<BR/><BR/>Dazzling new images reveal the 'impossible' on the Sun<BR/><BR/>http://space.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn11432&feedId=online-news_rss20Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-89501545011683067332007-03-22T12:01:00.000-07:002007-03-22T12:01:00.000-07:00“As Thomas Sowell has noted, liberal policies are ...“As Thomas Sowell has noted, liberal policies are guided by feeling -- in particular, a self-deluding "compassion" -- not by thought”<BR/><BR/>A little more on the difference between libs and conservatives.<BR/><BR/>A few years ago a youngster came to my door with a petition. Best I could gather, it was for the Clean Water Act and that was either coming up for renewal in Congress or tightening standards…I don’t recall.<BR/><BR/>He wanted me to sign it.<BR/><BR/>I refused.<BR/><BR/>He was outraged. How could anyone be against the Clean Water Act?!<BR/><BR/>I told him I wouldn’t sign it because I hadn’t read it.<BR/><BR/>I’m not going to vote for something because it sounds good.<BR/><BR/>Hmmm. Progressive - that sounds good. Democrat – that sounds like democracy – sign me up. People’s Republic of China – ‘People’s’ Republic – must be good.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-73861756623914007792007-03-22T10:34:00.000-07:002007-03-22T10:34:00.000-07:00Where would the left be without their projected ra...<I>Where would the left be without their projected racist fantasies of the po' hepless negro?</I><BR/><BR/>And a <A HREF="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-ehrenstein19mar19,0,5335087.story?coll=la-opinion-center" REL="nofollow">Magic Negro</A> shall lead them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-20120868548377917972007-03-22T10:29:00.000-07:002007-03-22T10:29:00.000-07:00A thought, perhaps offtopic, but -- my thought is ...A thought, perhaps offtopic, but -- my thought is that 'evolution' as a general principle works in outline as such:<BR/><BR/>System exists from prior iteration: or rather, bifurcation. it is seen that a new system arises-- that is, one that potentially contains data that was unavailable in the previous, at 'a certain distance from equilibrium'. Thus in order for this to occur, there must be a centrating principle at work, and a dispersive principle at work. When the proper 'balance' between the two is achieved, a new bifurcation happens (or is precipitated.) The result of it is unknown (from our standpoint) and potentially dangerous. Regardless it will bifurcate into two possibilities containing some mix of these properties: One destructive and one creative, one directional and one circular, one internalizing and one externalizing. <BR/><BR/>RE: the markets, the dispersive force is 'supply and demand' or whatever chaotic market principles there are, and regulation acts as a centrating force. <BR/><BR/>A balance of these forces precipitates new systems appearing; particularly technology. (Or philosophy!) The prime example I can think of in regards to the bifurcation is the two enlightenments. <BR/><BR/>But it is a rough-hewn argument at best.Ephrem Antony Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032465992619034619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-18909724674128349632007-03-22T10:06:00.000-07:002007-03-22T10:06:00.000-07:00Amazing post Dr.Right up my alley. Too many excell...Amazing post Dr.<BR/>Right up my alley. Too many excellent parts to mention and hog up all the reply space here.<BR/><BR/>To Koffee Kritic,<BR/><BR/>In the opposite direction to Dr Bob’s work today, you are backward in almost every statement you make – except for the part about the Left being warped. I’ve addressed most of these in pervious posts and don’t have the energy today.<BR/><BR/>What is interesting though is how you give yourself away by neglect to mention the multi-leveled impact of 9/11. It became a whole new world after that day. Or did you forget?<BR/><BR/>Maybe I’m being too harsh. I see here that you say, “The Left is not entirely in the dark. There is a "daytime" element to it that needs to be preserved”.<BR/>And I’ll wager that the parts you like about the Left are actually not truly in the Left - as Dr Bob proves in today’s post.<BR/>Compassion, caring, love of the environment, concern – real caring – for the less fortunate…these things are already embraced by the Right and Conservatism.<BR/>Because these things make sense.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-134323660075674992007-03-22T10:04:00.000-07:002007-03-22T10:04:00.000-07:00Physically, we require two things: Mass and Energy...Physically, we require two things: Mass and Energy. Secondarily they must be in usable forms. For humans, our locomotion requires a continual supply of air (oxygen in a certain concentration.) Air acts as 'energy' to us. For mass we require food and water. But, koffee, Bob's description included 'air, food and water, AND energy.' I would say instead, Air, food and water for the individual, and resources for the differing levels of groups (family, church, community, market, state) which are also divided into mass and energy.<BR/><BR/>To deny that we need energy (in the form of 'energy resources') is to deny we need civilization. <BR/><BR/>I doubt you have ever read 'Wealth of Nations'-- for as 'pure' democracy is ultimately flattening and pointless, 'pure' capitalism is as well. What a true free market, or your dreaded 'capitalism' truly is, is a compromise between the chaotic creativity of the market principles and the orderly stasis of groups of differing levels and their requirements and regulations.Ephrem Antony Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032465992619034619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1298737860947586842007-03-22T09:30:00.000-07:002007-03-22T09:30:00.000-07:00GB,It is much more accurate to say that the intern...GB,<BR/><BR/><I>It is much more accurate to say that the international left wages a deadly peace for oil.</I><BR/><BR/>Again, brilliant, and precisely correct.<BR/><BR/>Jamie IronsJamie Ironshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08483791884102487505noreply@blogger.com