tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post419378678764230476..comments2024-03-27T11:16:36.951-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: Vertical Creation and the Rhythm of EternityGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-41701971025215684862008-11-17T09:00:00.000-08:002008-11-17T09:00:00.000-08:00Ah, Ray - we can always count on you to demonstrat...Ah, Ray - we can always count on you to demonstrate that we can't possibly be looking at a mountain, because there's a great gaping chasm at the foot of it which you haven't looked past yet.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-36949937080620863152008-11-17T07:45:00.000-08:002008-11-17T07:45:00.000-08:00Could it be true that in jesting we are contemplat...<I>Could it be true that in jesting we are contemplating?</I><BR/><BR/>If you want to see how little jesting has changed over the eons, see <A HREF="http://books.google.com/books?id=OtMb_pzRnOoC&dq=Philagrius&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=jApNm9KSmN&sig=XyZi6gz-32rSblM6SdCJrXZkPAo&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=6&ct=result" REL="nofollow">here</A>.Ray Ingleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16290483120987779339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-63476297417688120412008-11-17T06:15:00.000-08:002008-11-17T06:15:00.000-08:00More on Feser's book, "The Last Superstition" here...More on Feser's book, "The Last Superstition" here:<BR/><BR/>http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2008/11/goldsteins-book.html<BR/><BR/>Like Bob, I tend to prefer the stiletto - but I must admit that the sledgehammer also has its charms.Warrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13623170987747998335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-64665449859947434382008-11-17T02:42:00.000-08:002008-11-17T02:42:00.000-08:00earlier, people here were commenting on various US...earlier, people here were commenting on various US locations--any experience with life in Santa Fe?... may be a temporary or fulltime new home for megehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02015936407999495181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1790977910049300342008-11-16T21:55:00.000-08:002008-11-16T21:55:00.000-08:00Now Petey has a beak? I'm so confused.[8^]And what...Now Petey has a beak? I'm so confused.<BR/><BR/>[8^]<BR/><BR/>And what Ben said.NoMohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01100042056270224683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-80948646403938179722008-11-16T20:15:00.000-08:002008-11-16T20:15:00.000-08:00sacred revenuestream flows to cosmic ocean Petey w...sacred revenue<BR/>stream flows to cosmic ocean <BR/>Petey wets his beakAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-30325655444196962522008-11-16T20:08:00.000-08:002008-11-16T20:08:00.000-08:00I'm downstream from BobAnother dense book floats b...I'm downstream from Bob<BR/>Another dense book floats by<BR/>Affiliate Fee$!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-76552037381158231012008-11-16T19:46:00.000-08:002008-11-16T19:46:00.000-08:00This may be off topic for today's post but I notic...This may be off topic for today's post but I noticed a little while back you were reflecting on K-Dubs and T-Robs and asking input. Here is something that might be worth checking out on Ken that I think may connect with your comments.<BR/><BR/>http://www.enlightennext.org/magazine/j33/guru-pandit.asp?pf=1<BR/><BR/>Cohen: Without all three faces being included, Andrew Cohen one will have only a partial perspective on who and what God is. One’s interpretations of one’s own God-experiences will always be incomplete. And it’s been apparent to me ever since I began teaching twenty years ago that especially for us postmodern extreme narcissists, the second face of God is absolutely essential. Without God as Thou, the great Other before whom we all must ultimately submit, becoming a living, felt dimension of our own direct experience of Spirit, I wonder whether it’s possible to ever move beyond ego in any kind of authentic way.<BR/><BR/>Wilber: That’s so true. Because green pluralism won’t allow any principles higher than its own head, because it won’t allow any form of hierarchy, it ensconces its own first-person imprisonment. And without a second-person Spirit, I think you’re right, I don’t think they’re going to get out of it. And that’s a problem. But too often, we in the postmodern West tend to use only first-person and third-person—we use Vedanta and science, or Buddhism and science, and so on.<BR/><BR/>Cohen: Exactly. And because of that, when we have profound spiritual experiences, our ego remains unthreatened and secure.<BR/><BR/>Wilber: Well, yes. Because in a first-person approach, there’s nothing the ego has to surrender to except its own Self. And let’s just put it this way: In your attempt to go from small mind to big mind, you can end up going from small ego to big ego! <BR/><BR/>Warm Regards,<BR/><BR/>HMachipongohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11912359804045876130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-12619110644235352462008-11-16T19:44:00.000-08:002008-11-16T19:44:00.000-08:00Traditional cosmologies -- like any other spiritua...Traditional cosmologies -- like any other spiritual truth -- will not yield their meanings to the cognitively greedy accustomed only to linear, exterior, fragmented, and scientistic ways of knowing; one cannot simply grasp at them, but must approach the endeavor with open hands (and more importantly, open heart and mind). And whatever you do, don't be serious. Sincere, absolutely. Serious, never. For, <BR/><BR/>Could it be true that in jesting we are contemplating? Yes. As do all who jest, in jesting we contemplate. --Plotinus <BR/><BR/>Ho! I sincerely cooncur! :^)USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-28985115824737534442008-11-16T19:28:00.000-08:002008-11-16T19:28:00.000-08:00"This transcendent ground is the one place in the ..."This transcendent ground is the one place in the cosmos where we may truly gain first hand knowledge of the source of All, since the cosmos is psychic through and through. This is the real meaning of traditional cosmologies. On the one hand, they tell the story of the outward manifestation of the cosmos. But at the same time, they convey implicit knowledge of the inward vertical procession of phenomena from the great noumenal Within."<BR/><BR/>That's Beautiful, man.USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-68358261484193482002008-11-16T18:31:00.000-08:002008-11-16T18:31:00.000-08:00geUgh,that's gonna leave a mark.ge<BR/><BR/>Ugh,that's gonna leave a mark.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16202441664961886198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-9368274479586641522008-11-16T17:23:00.000-08:002008-11-16T17:23:00.000-08:00but for those peskiest foes...<A HREF="http://www.wizkidsgames.com/horrorclix/images/Vlad.jpg" REL="nofollow">but for those peskiest foes...</A>gehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02015936407999495181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-23455018072854230012008-11-16T15:35:00.000-08:002008-11-16T15:35:00.000-08:00I prefer post it notes. Am I being narcissistic?I prefer post it notes. Am I being narcissistic?Mongoosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02589719532522110546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-4784271391925479132008-11-16T11:22:00.000-08:002008-11-16T11:22:00.000-08:00Third Railone for the walkingtwo for the heavenly ...<A HREF="http://robinstarfish.blogspot.com/2008/11/third-rail.html" REL="nofollow">Third Rail</A><BR/>one for the walking<BR/>two for the heavenly bird<BR/>the river of lightsrobinstarfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15665546554663005609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-41128091255218557582008-11-16T10:25:00.000-08:002008-11-16T10:25:00.000-08:00Joan said "I prefer the hatpin. It offers a surpri...Joan said "I prefer the hatpin. It offers a surprising bit of pain and a satisfying amount of humiliation to one's opponent."<BR/><BR/>I lean towards the martini olive sword, myself. Offers many of the same benefits, plus it offers some surprisingly good opportunities to mock them afterwards waving a little bitty sword in their face. And of course it's functional, who's gonna withhold their olives from you after that?Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-80856763259799142032008-11-16T10:11:00.000-08:002008-11-16T10:11:00.000-08:00"In any event, look for this Aquinas fellow to gai..."In any event, look for this Aquinas fellow to gain some notoriety, although I can't imagine that any university would ever hire him, much less offer him tenure. "<BR/><BR/>Yeah... they'd have to undergo some type of a real... uhm... renaissance in their thinking, before hiring someone like that.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-39015320444087309302008-11-16T10:07:00.000-08:002008-11-16T10:07:00.000-08:00"Traditional cosmologies -- like any other spiritu..."Traditional cosmologies -- like any other spiritual truth -- will not yield their meanings to the cognitively greedy accustomed only to linear, exterior, fragmented, and scientistic ways of knowing; one cannot simply grasp at them, but must approach the endeavor with open hands (and more importantly, open heart and mind). And whatever you do, don't be serious. Sincere, absolutely. Serious, never. For, <BR/><BR/>Could it be true that in jesting we are contemplating? Yes. As do all who jest, in jesting we contemplate. --Plotinus "<BR/><BR/>I Heartily cooncur, there is a far deeper relation between "Ha-ha!" and "Aha!" than is commonly thought, and to restrict yourself to 'seriousness', I think, cuts yourself off from a much wider creative understanding, than could otherwise be grasped. However, I'll quickly add, do not confuse a good humor, which ultimately integrates, with ridicule and a denigrating Maher type 'humor' that is usually attempted to be smuggled in when people say 'you need to laugh at yourself', and which is deeply disintegrating in style and effect.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-53877068126899504062008-11-16T08:23:00.000-08:002008-11-16T08:23:00.000-08:00I certainly don't mind sticking it to the adversar...<I>I certainly don't mind sticking it to the adversary, but it should be done with a little style -- with a stiletto, not a sledgehammer.</I><BR/><BR/>I prefer the hatpin. It offers a surprising bit of pain and a satisfying amount of humiliation to one's opponent.Joan of Argghh!https://www.blogger.com/profile/14729682908266300507noreply@blogger.com