tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post419311754845684139..comments2024-03-28T12:10:26.197-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: Bring Out Your Dead!Gagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-45513256213428421362007-09-05T08:15:00.000-07:002007-09-05T08:15:00.000-07:00Fixin' to Die Blues(First release—Booker T. Washin...Fixin' to Die Blues<BR/><BR/>(First release—Booker T. Washington a.k.a. <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z8xm5BAnWQ&mode=related&search=" REL="nofollow">Bukka White</A>)<BR/><BR/>Feeling funny in my mind, Lord,<BR/>I believe I'm fixing to die<BR/>Feeling funny in my mind, Lord<BR/>I believe I'm fixing to die<BR/>Well, I don't mind dying<BR/>But I hate to leave my children crying<BR/>Well, I look over yonder to that burying ground<BR/>Look over yonder to that burying ground<BR/>Sure seems lonesome, Lord, when the sun goes down<BR/><BR/>Feeling funny in my eyes, Lord,<BR/>I believe I'm fixing to die, fixing to die<BR/>Feeling funny in my eyes, Lord<BR/>I believe I'm fixing to die<BR/>Well, I don't mind dying but<BR/>I hate to leave my children crying<BR/>There's a black smoke rising, Lord<BR/>It's rising up above my head, up above my head<BR/>It's rising up above my head, up above my head<BR/>And tell Jesus make up my dying bed.<BR/><BR/>I'm walking kind of funny, Lord<BR/>I believe I'm fixing to die, fixing to die<BR/>Yes I'm walking kind of funny, Lord<BR/>I believe I'm fixing to die<BR/>Fixing to die, fixing to die<BR/>Well, I don't mind dying<BR/>But I hate to leave my children crying.Mizz Ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02325435271880036807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-12567198650452680992007-09-05T00:09:00.000-07:002007-09-05T00:09:00.000-07:00Voltron,Go forth and SLAY!Ximeze,Hadn't known much...Voltron,<BR/><BR/>Go forth and SLAY!<BR/><BR/>Ximeze,<BR/>Hadn't known much of the political philosophy of Authur Miller. One thing I do know is that I went to see 'Death of a Salesman' starring Hal Holbrooke in Denver about a decade ago with a friend. We got up and left about halfway through because it was obvious we were wasting precious moments of our lives. Man, what a redundant downer that play was.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-21902789442862251592007-09-04T23:03:00.000-07:002007-09-04T23:03:00.000-07:00Voltron:Way to go! Fun isn't it?Have you seen "Dea...Voltron:<BR/>Way to go! Fun isn't it?<BR/><BR/>Have you seen "Death of a Phony" by Thomas Lifson on American Thinker?<BR/><BR/>He demolishes another Libo-Icon: playwright Arthur Miller. Plenty of ammo there. Check it out.<BR/><BR/>http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/09/<BR/>death_of_a_phony_moralist.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-76539122482434809852007-09-04T22:51:00.000-07:002007-09-04T22:51:00.000-07:00Smoov said: "that these "creatures" have a life of...Smoov said: "that these "creatures" have a life of their own--almost a literal biological entity--and that they will do anything to keep themselves alive, up to and including "sacrificing" the host."<BR/><BR/>Altho 'the chorus' has been present as long as I can remember(standard family joke is that 'the chorus made me do it') Bob's Testavus OCUG explained them in a way that really made sense, why they were so persistent, ducking just out of reach when pursued, & so hard to eradicate. <BR/><BR/>Bob's insights about how they get passed thru family members & spread around like viruses to large groups where members share the same 'infection' was what I had observed, but could not put my finger on. And how they replicate & morph, indeed 'alive' & sometimes running the show, hidden behind a curtain.<BR/><BR/>PS: thanks for the link to DL's paperAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-6169032511640715842007-09-04T22:27:00.000-07:002007-09-04T22:27:00.000-07:00You know, I have to give thanks to you guys. You'r...You know, I have to give thanks to you guys. You're on a level beyond me at the present, but as a troll (read that - thorn in the side/pain in the arse) of a liberal board or two you've given me much inspiration.<BR/><BR/>The previous post and the accompanying review of their hero Gandhi gave me much ammunition...LOL<BR/>(and I actually learn things too!)IrOnY RaGeDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15415495177472751193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-22020202828985644912007-09-04T21:43:00.000-07:002007-09-04T21:43:00.000-07:00Ximeze said-"The new me is more Me than the before...Ximeze said-<BR/>"The new me is more Me than the before-me, tho the latter-me, each time, is hard to recollect since it was some-other-me."<BR/><BR/>I can relate to that. Whenever I look at my older comments, or when I take the Dr. Who-mobile even further into the past, I think: "Man, I was a real retard."<BR/><BR/>Then I am even more grateful to the O nukin' the crap outta me.USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-70067014427449351612007-09-04T21:33:00.000-07:002007-09-04T21:33:00.000-07:00I'm not dead yet...but I'm gettin' there.I'm not dead yet...but I'm gettin' there.NoMohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01100042056270224683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-81896456463547479332007-09-04T21:23:00.000-07:002007-09-04T21:23:00.000-07:00So there was no "Petey Principle"in the paper?That...So there was no "Petey Principle"<BR/>in the paper?<BR/><BR/>That must be why Chaos entered the fray.USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-90798892624149230602007-09-04T21:10:00.000-07:002007-09-04T21:10:00.000-07:00Perhaps that's the reason that so many Raccoons ar...Perhaps that's the reason that so many Raccoons are intimate with the concept of borrowed time.<BR/>Still have some dyin' yet to do...<BR/>Maybe too, that's why it gives you the willies to think about readin' the Bible because, on some level you recognize that if you do it'll kill you...<BR/><BR/>/stream of thought<BR/>and a belated proof read.<BR/>:P<BR/><BR/>JWMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-56778391850721288292007-09-04T21:06:00.000-07:002007-09-04T21:06:00.000-07:00Perhaps that's the reason that so many Raccoons ha...Perhaps that's the reason that so many Raccoons have are intimate with the concept of borrowed time.<BR/>Still had some dyin' yet to do...<BR/>Maybe too, that's why it gives you the willies to think about <I>readin' the Bible</I> because, on some level you recognize that if you do it'll kill you...<BR/><BR/>/stream of thought<BR/><BR/>JWMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-70207228001579349182007-09-04T19:45:00.000-07:002007-09-04T19:45:00.000-07:00I disavow all responsibility for this "scholarly p...I disavow all responsibility for this "scholarly paper." It was neither conceived nor composed with my input.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-19606818469047789022007-09-04T19:21:00.000-07:002007-09-04T19:21:00.000-07:00You will of course require the Adobe Reader to rea...You will of course require the <A HREF="http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html" REL="nofollow">Adobe Reader</A> to read Bob's paper.<BR/><BR/>Most people already have it. You'll know when you click on the link for the paper.Stephen Macdonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13474300559219020772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-9692785846632206152007-09-04T19:19:00.000-07:002007-09-04T19:19:00.000-07:00Raccoons:Here is a link to Bob's paper:Psychoanaly...Raccoons:<BR/><BR/>Here is a link to Bob's paper:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://24.222.29.58/misc/BionChaos.pdf" REL="nofollow">Psychoanalysis, Chaos and Complexity: The Evolving Mind as a Dissipative Structure</A><BR/><BR/>Bob, here is the raw link if you want to use it elsewhere. That server should be up 99.9% of the time.<BR/><BR/>http://24.222.29.58/misc/BionChaos.pdf<BR/><BR/><BR/>wv: yeaennzk - <I>Gesundheit!</I>Stephen Macdonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13474300559219020772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-58404865310977614412007-09-04T18:28:00.000-07:002007-09-04T18:28:00.000-07:00Walt,indeed. Back when I listened to my Christian ...Walt,<BR/>indeed. Back when I listened to my Christian mystic teachers talk about being crucified with Christ, I knew all the relevant Bible verses, all the terminology and nothing of the life.<BR/><BR/>The voices in our head will try to randomly move the border stones between the seed death and hypocricy, so that each side looks like the other.Magnus Itlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18445902788427523461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-66413692794267529112007-09-04T18:26:00.000-07:002007-09-04T18:26:00.000-07:00ximeze:I've dealt with a number of people with sub...ximeze:<BR/><BR/>I've dealt with a number of people with substance abuse problems, including one tragic case just a few weeks ago who was hospitalized with a blown liver at age 51 (a junior executive who hid it very well). Anyhow in the course of my reading up on the recovery "movement" (for lack of a better term) I've come across concepts which are not that different from mind parasites. One California-based group (Rational Recovery perhaps?) believes that these "creatures" have a life of their own--almost a literal biological entity--and that they will do <I>anything</I> to keep themselves alive, up to and including "sacrificing" the host. Put this way the behavior of addicts and drunks begins to make a bit of sense. Maybe this paradigm applies to less egregious parasites as well: they strive to survive, and will hoodwink you into thinking they're banished when they've simply gone to ground for a while.Stephen Macdonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13474300559219020772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-29474076198501631492007-09-04T18:16:00.000-07:002007-09-04T18:16:00.000-07:00BrianFH,Best not to assume Bob is talking about th...BrianFH,<BR/><BR/>Best not to assume Bob is talking about the literal, precise role of genetic information throughout life. He is using this in a general way to illustrate a much deeper principle. Bob could no doubt "talk shop" about genetics all day long, but that's not what this blog is about.<BR/><BR/>As for the sleep/death analogy: clever word play. <BR/><BR/>Hope you'll stick around and read some of the past posts to get some context.Stephen Macdonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13474300559219020772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-40588639746998216842007-09-04T18:12:00.000-07:002007-09-04T18:12:00.000-07:00"imminent", of course."imminent", of course.Brian Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17895289104798325252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-73723189840772662022007-09-04T18:09:00.000-07:002007-09-04T18:09:00.000-07:002 points:1) As far as genetics not reaching past t...2 points:<BR/>1) As far as genetics not reaching past the age of reproduction, that's pretty much indefinitely long for men, and as for women, the "grandmother effect", which is the enhanced survival of young when granny is around to assist and advise, is relevant (also to longer female lifespans);<BR/>2) You want/fear death? Disprove the following:<BR/>Every night when you lose consciousness in sleep, your self/identity dies. Then, awakening consists of the construction by the brain of a new identity -- with access to the previous one's memories, and hence with the illusion that it is the same "person". The only way to stave off your immanent death, tonight, is to stay awake; or in the long term, with scientific biochemical tools that eliminate the need for sleep. <BR/><BR/>Gives a whole new meaning to the adage, "Make hay while the sun shines!", doesn't it? <BR/><BR/>;) <BR/>:-pBrian Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17895289104798325252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-52373250280392730292007-09-04T17:49:00.000-07:002007-09-04T17:49:00.000-07:00I'm reminded of something one of my art teachers s...I'm reminded of something one of my art teachers said once (paraphrasing):<BR/><BR/>You must be willing to kill your "darlings" (meaning the parts of your work that you particularly like). <BR/><BR/>The point being, sometimes it is necessary to completely obliterate what you started with in order to create something that can honestly be called art. Often, we become enamored with some little piece - a patch of color, a line that gives us joy, a happy accident, or even a preliminary sketch - but this little bit perhaps doesn't work with or even have a place in the final product. It must be changed, added to, or covered over for the piece to properly grow, and until that happens the work is often at an impasse. It is so very hard to excise those parts we like best, but done correctly, the whole is usually the better for it.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-26414596125578585422007-09-04T16:58:00.000-07:002007-09-04T16:58:00.000-07:00Bob, looking forward to reading: Psychoanalysis, C...Bob, looking forward to reading: Psychoanalysis, Chaos and Complexity: The Evolving Mind as a Dissipative Structure <BR/>(is it gonna make my brain hurt?)<BR/><BR/>Several things lept out from today's post:<BR/><BR/>Being alive rests upon any number of cycles, processes, and rhythms at every level of our existence, including the mental and spiritual levels. Death occurs when any of these levels becomes a closed system.<BR/><BR/>In order for us to grow psychologically and to mature spiritually, we must necessarily die, not just once, but repeatedly. As Petey quipped in One Cosmos, in order to become an extreme seeker, some disassembly is required. But only for the rest of your lifedeathlife.<BR/><BR/>Quoting Ware:<BR/>there exists, hidden within each one of us, a secret treasure house, an inner Kingdom, that is amazing in its depth and variety.<BR/><BR/>It is precisely the death of the old that makes possible the emergence of the fresh growth within ourselves, and without death there would be no new life<BR/><BR/>You will be dead so long as you refuse to die<BR/><BR/>Went back & reread the Otis post "Lord Don't Move My Mountain..."<BR/>Got to musing on the Dark Nights stuff in relation to this dying/lifedeathlife & the similarity of content in comments.<BR/><BR/>As Walt said "and yet, it seems we never really welcome this "dying"!<BR/><BR/>The above & below, in no particular order, are what I'm trying organize & wonder whether other's experience is similar in any way.<BR/><BR/>Emerging from my most recent DN was like parts of Me coming back on-line, piece by piece, akin to mechanical parts spinning up to speed, with layers of cognitive function being 'available' once more. As tho Interest/Concentration/Discernment etc were not really gone, just occupied 'elsewhere'. <BR/><BR/>The new me is more Me than the before-me, tho the latter-me, each time, is hard to recollect since it was some-other-me. Sort of a reverse Dr Who situation: new-Me-in-prior-body. It's kinda weird, but has happened often enough to be sort of familiar. Repetition seems to have engendered enough 'awareness' to now feed clarity rather than confusion, as did the first several rounds.<BR/><BR/>Do the voices of the Chorus/beasties/mind parasites get loud during DNs because we don't have the where-with-all to combat them? Are they shouting because their cover is being blown? How much of the anxiety that goes with DNs is from stirring up their hornet's nest? <BR/><BR/>My own experience is that the new-Me 'sees' them & their possible root better than the before-me ever did, or was capable of. Is some part of the about-to-become-Me poking them with Prepare to Die Vermin, or at least Be Neutralized You Pests?<BR/><BR/>Each successive revamp seems to hone cognitive & spiritual 'skills': that somewhere 'in there' better/faster/stronger 'connections' got built, and everything now runs more 'smoothly' than before.<BR/><BR/>"our mental concepts are idols that need to be shattered" Ware's treatment for Hardening of the Categories?<BR/><BR/>wv:iqusv<BR/>(just asking)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1092754126616135572007-09-04T16:34:00.000-07:002007-09-04T16:34:00.000-07:00Van said:"The Germans are ready to collect your de...Van said:<BR/>"The Germans are ready to collect your dead, Germans Plan Colossal New Great Pyramid."<BR/><BR/>I believe this is what Alan Parsons was talkin' about with his<BR/>Pyramania project.<BR/><BR/>Or was that Def Leppard and Pyromania?USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-85218098281741191942007-09-04T16:25:00.000-07:002007-09-04T16:25:00.000-07:00debass said... "It is partly fueled by testosteron...debass said... <BR/>"It is partly fueled by testosterone, which is also one of the main reasons women outlive men."<BR/><BR/>Women outlive men because they are not married to women.---Robert Kline"<BR/><BR/>Ooo! Good one, Debass!USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-90317864912766514462007-09-04T16:23:00.000-07:002007-09-04T16:23:00.000-07:00"Biology itself is a closed system that can only t..."Biology itself is a closed system that can only tell us about already living things, which is why these doctrinaire Darwinians are so grandiose and presumptuous in belowviating on matters above and beyond the narrow limits of their competence."<BR/><BR/>Heh! Belowviating...sounds like that last C. Hitchens debacle.<BR/>Come to think of it, it sounds like every Hitchens debacle.USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-36861077362204338922007-09-04T15:52:00.000-07:002007-09-04T15:52:00.000-07:00Sounds right, Magnus. Of course, it's one thing to...Sounds right, Magnus. Of course, it's one thing to discuss it, and quite another when it's our own 'burial', and the "new life" is still unmanifest. It's a very personal experience, after the theories are all finished.walthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01388218390016612051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-6583203867779480272007-09-04T15:44:00.000-07:002007-09-04T15:44:00.000-07:00Walt,in spiritual practice, would not the rule of ...Walt,<BR/>in spiritual practice, would not the rule of "interment first, then death" correspond to acting in faith as if one is dead to the former life and alive to the new, even when feeling the opposite?Magnus Itlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18445902788427523461noreply@blogger.com