tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post4151547563918252786..comments2024-03-27T11:16:36.951-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: Who Does I AM Say that I AM?Gagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-51242897059634520392011-08-12T04:11:22.782-07:002011-08-12T04:11:22.782-07:00(Oops - re. "gift" in this context, I wa...(Oops - re. "gift" in this context, I was only slightly right. More accurately, he meant "the fundamental and original gift: man appears in creation as the one who receives the world as a gift, and vice versa, one can also say that the world has received man as a gift." And more besides, as that is the topic of the whole section I'm in. Details...)juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-59328568023732985982011-08-12T04:01:39.019-07:002011-08-12T04:01:39.019-07:00Speaking of JPII, another relevant bit from T of t...Speaking of JPII, another relevant bit from T of the B (emphasis his):<br /><br />"We should turn anew to those fundamental words that Christ used, that is, to the word 'created' and to the subject, 'Creator,' introducing into the considerations carried out so far [referencing Genesis & what Christ had to say about it - J] <i>a new dimension, a new criterion of understanding and of interpretation</i> that we will call <i>'hermeneutics of the gift.'</i> The dimension of gift is decisive for the essential truth and depth of the meaning of original solitude-unity-nakedness. It stands also at the very heart of the mystery of creation, which allows us to build the theology of the body 'from the beginning,' but at the same time demands that we build it in precisely this way."<br /><br />(I think "gift" in this context referes to the gift of the self.)<br /><br />It's been interesting reading T of the B in conjunction with Bob's posts of late; they parallel each other very closely. Where JPII discusses the nature of man "from the beginning," he cannot help but also be talking about the nature of Christ. One point that he made which I thought was interesting in this context was the nature of <i>shame</i> after the fall, being that which resulted in an end (or at least, a barrier) to the communion which was man's first birthright. Shame was what caused man to hide himself away, even as he longed to be known in fullness. Perhaps I am wrong, but it seems that if there was one thing Jesus <i>lacked</i>, it was this essential shame. I'd guess the same must have been true of Mary, in order for her to give the Yes which allowed all else to follow.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-28700561838095172532011-08-11T19:33:21.014-07:002011-08-11T19:33:21.014-07:00dilys here:
Thanks for the I'd-say-cutting-ed...dilys here:<br /><br />Thanks for the I'd-say-cutting-edge pieces on Christology, especially the <i>What did he know and when did he know it?</i> part. Lovely woven in with the Pope and the Cardinal's writings. I had no idea they held the reins of this with such subtlety.<br /><br />The (↑)(↓) model is rich, and intimates that the human self-improvement default (↑) is far from the whole story. A God inclined to incarnation (↓), Spirit in love with Matter, plausibly fosters the hope that one morning you could just wake up in a little mountain lodge near the timber line where the ascending and descending paths have, finally and blessedly, connected. And the light is somehow different...who, me?https://www.blogger.com/profile/00938839975315248170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-18894609984197785062011-08-11T15:46:46.160-07:002011-08-11T15:46:46.160-07:00Off topic, but this guy is awesome. (Lots of F-bom...Off topic, but this guy is <a href="http://www.theblaze.com/stories/this-is-comedian-felonious-munks-wild-anti-obama-rant/" rel="nofollow">awesome</a>. (Lots of F-bombs, if you're bothered by that sort of thing.)juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-49691848538196961022011-08-11T14:04:58.108-07:002011-08-11T14:04:58.108-07:00Man-realization on God's part
The other comme...<i>Man-realization on God's part</i><br /><br />The other comment on this was a little too personally revealing. Let me generalize. <br /><br />I think this gets said a lot in different ways. It seems to me if it were put this way, people would be more likely to understand, but then again, maybe we grasp it as is best for us individually.mushroomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07651027035577798096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-8589740510157216462011-08-11T13:53:46.810-07:002011-08-11T13:53:46.810-07:00Thinking of the way animals differ from humans -- ...Thinking of the way animals differ from humans -- there is quite a bit of data on feral children who seem to have that single plane experience, and usually are unable to become what we would think of as fully human.mushroomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07651027035577798096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-53298678768069939072011-08-11T13:50:32.139-07:002011-08-11T13:50:32.139-07:00In a way -- and I'm thinking about this for th...<i>In a way -- and I'm thinking about this for the first time -- we might think of Jesus as "God deployed in human (developmental) time," since a human being cannot help but be situated in developmental time.</i><br /><br />I like that; it's something that ordinary people <i>can</i> relate to, in the sense that even though I am not now who I was a child, an adolescent, or a young adult, still I have always been myself. Going with the dimensional concept, as we grow the world grows into us, in a way.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-80163037356362494412011-08-11T11:16:00.771-07:002011-08-11T11:16:00.771-07:00"In a way -- and I'm thinking about this ..."In a way -- and I'm thinking about this for the first time -- we might think of Jesus as "God deployed in human (developmental) time," since a human being cannot help but be situated in developmental time."<br /><br />There's a bell ringer.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-81896744589701986052011-08-11T11:13:44.407-07:002011-08-11T11:13:44.407-07:00"Thus, "The progress of a spiritual pers..."Thus, "The progress of a spiritual person towards God is rather the progress of God in him or her. The ascent to the mountain on a person's part (↑) corresponds to the more real descent of God (↓) into his/her being" (ibid., emphasis and sharp objects mine)."<br /><br />I think that s<i>om</i>s it up quite well. Also shines a bit of light upon what happens when you refuse, one way or another, to acknowledge what is true... you replace what is, with what you wish, and bare the door, so to speak, to being able to say I Am hear.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.com