tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post3820378912519348025..comments2024-03-27T11:16:36.951-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: And Why Do We Fall, B'atman? So We Might Learn to Pick Ourselves UpGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-73697917915444252952011-10-02T15:46:26.882-07:002011-10-02T15:46:26.882-07:00Mormanism was a wonderful religion for me to visit...Mormanism was a wonderful religion for me to visit, but I just couldn't live there. <br /><br />In fact, I haven't found one yet where I can.<br /><br />Maybe I'm damned?<br /><br />wv:<i>dishoup</i><br />There's gotta be a song in there somewhere.Dougmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08468871451814828157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-788676962905210752011-10-02T08:08:41.999-07:002011-10-02T08:08:41.999-07:00:D:Djuliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-67441078385405728602011-10-02T08:07:30.278-07:002011-10-02T08:07:30.278-07:00Oh yes, the profile pic? It's a copy of my bi...Oh yes, the profile pic? It's a copy of my birth announcement. My parents couldn't agree on anything.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-91597537070947835712011-10-02T07:51:05.478-07:002011-10-02T07:51:05.478-07:00Bob, that's a really good question.Bob, that's a really good question.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-16288141977667551422011-10-02T07:48:55.151-07:002011-10-02T07:48:55.151-07:00My responses would have been pretty much the same....My responses would have been pretty much the same. I am not bothered by the thought of a Muslim who seeks a deeper esoteric wisdom. Schuon was a Sufi, after all. So long as the hypothetical Muslim isn't being a dick and ranting about Jihad and the terrible treatment of Palestinians, I could really care less. Nor do I care is someone is Jewish or Hindu.<br /><br />As to disabusing someone of error, in this case it seems enough to say simply, "I don't believe in the Book of Mormon." This is clearly someone who is not an idiot, not being rude, and who is not unfamiliar with Christianity. For whatever reason, his search for truth has led him to the LDS. I'm far more concerned with the "Search for Truth" part than the "LDS" part. If he's a genuine seeker, God will lead him where he needs to be.<br /><br />As to mainstream Mormons in general, well, "by their fruits shall ye know them." In my personal experience, they tend to be good and decent folk who take their faith seriously. By contrast, I've known a lot of Christians whose behavior <i>as Christians</i> make Christ look pretty bad.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-54597684474150907802011-10-02T07:45:29.194-07:002011-10-02T07:45:29.194-07:00Speaking of "whether a Catholic can be a Demo...Speaking of "whether a Catholic can be a Democrat and still be saved," does anyone know why Catholic politicians who facilitate and normalize abortion, and advance the homosexual agenda, aren't excommunicated? Tolerance is one thing, but it seems to me that active promotion crosses a line.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-43643452980790753092011-10-01T22:43:24.833-07:002011-10-01T22:43:24.833-07:00Of course I am trying to be nothing, if not friend...Of course I am trying to be nothing, if not friendly.<br />What better friend can I be than to disabuse someone of error?<br />No doubt Scory holds his own views relative to this and that. A religion is not a cafeteria, though. There are doctrines and Mormonism's are heterodox.<br />This isn't like arguing over whether a Catholic can be a democrat and still be saved. It's about whether one's religion is salvific or not.<br />It is not my objective to personally attack Scory I'm the slightest. <br /><br />Your responses, though, have made me think of a question for you, or others her for that matter. If Scory had made the same comments about Islam, what would your response have been?horatiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17439964946166785818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-863419028116699942011-10-01T22:09:44.143-07:002011-10-01T22:09:44.143-07:00Horatio - yes, I have seen the referenced sketch, ...Horatio - yes, I have seen the referenced sketch, but since you didn't actually use the word "slut" I didn't pick up on that. Also, your take-down in the rest of the comment didn't exactly come across as friendly banter.<br /><br />Whatever Mormons in general think about "Catholicism, Orthodoxy, saints, sages, art, etc.," it seems that Scory doesn't have a problem with any of that, given his stated interests. Whether your broad brush applies in general, I wouldn't know, but it certainly seems to be off the mark here.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-54455997206316274742011-10-01T21:51:02.593-07:002011-10-01T21:51:02.593-07:00Julie,
You must have not seen the early SNL debate...Julie,<br />You must have not seen the early SNL debate bits. Too bad....horatiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17439964946166785818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-18660712793243129972011-10-01T21:37:11.673-07:002011-10-01T21:37:11.673-07:00Bob, re: your Mormon neighbor, if there is a famin...Bob, re: your Mormon neighbor, if there is a famine you don't have to worry, just break out the old shot gun ;-)<br />See those Smithites are good for something.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16202441664961886198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-60519620360219200962011-10-01T20:24:30.228-07:002011-10-01T20:24:30.228-07:00"1) uses proper syntax and grammar
2) underst..."1) uses proper syntax and grammar<br />2) understands and respects the meaning of words, and<br />3) avoids logical fallacies."<br /><br /><br />OMG.<br /><br />Gagdad, if you have not yet, read Richard Mitchell, he was a lit professor and grammarian. He began by hand printing a newsletter, he thought, just skewering the grammatical embarrassments of his college's admin staff... and then found, horrifyingly, that those errors were just the signs of the 'worms in the brain'.<br /><br />Going off memory here, but either the 'Gift of Fire' or <a href="http://www.sourcetext.com/sharetext/ug/less.pdf" rel="nofollow">"Less Than Words Can Say"</a>, though I think 'Less than...' first.<br /><br />Both available online for free at same site.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-70241026198439382162011-10-01T19:13:37.756-07:002011-10-01T19:13:37.756-07:00Here's one from an influential thinker, i.e., ...Here's one from an influential thinker, i.e., feeler, on the left, <a href="http://politics.salon.com/2011/09/30/awlaki_6/" rel="nofollow">Glen Greenwald</a>. Let's see how far he can get!<br /><br />The first paragraph is all factual. No problemo.<br /><br />Oops! Second paragraph:<br /><br />"[The US] almost certainly was able to find and kill Awlaki with the help of its long-time close friend President Saleh, who took a little time off from murdering his own citizens to help the U.S. murder its. The U.S. thus transformed someone who was, at best, a marginal figure into a martyr, and again showed its true face to the world." <br /><br />*****<br /><br />So "the world" and Greenwald are in accord: the US is no different than any terror state that murders its own citizens. This is our "true face."Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-16455600224733390832011-10-01T19:04:14.699-07:002011-10-01T19:04:14.699-07:00Test case. First liberal article at RCP:
"T...Test case. First liberal article at <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/rich-people-demonized-for-flaunting-their-wealth-are-under-attack/2011/09/28/gIQAcJn4AL_story.html" rel="nofollow">RCP</a>:<br /><br />"The latest group to claim victim status is the rich."<br /><br />Nope. Couldn't make it past the first sentence.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-13825736520901852492011-10-01T18:57:47.129-07:002011-10-01T18:57:47.129-07:00In a way, it follows my practice of "stop rea...In a way, it follows my practice of "stop reading when you come across the first flagrantly stupid sentence." <br /><br />Try it with liberal editorialists at Real Clear Politics. The liberal who can write the most sentences before saying something stupid, wins!Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-55097529745396108442011-10-01T18:52:44.578-07:002011-10-01T18:52:44.578-07:00Gadzooks!
You are absolutely correct. And the im...Gadzooks! <br /><br />You are absolutely correct. And the implications are truly disturbing.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-49146920092187266682011-10-01T18:42:17.321-07:002011-10-01T18:42:17.321-07:00It also explains why talking to a liberal is very ...It also explains why talking to a liberal is very much like talking to a "dark swamp."Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-84745668525008139612011-10-01T18:41:14.458-07:002011-10-01T18:41:14.458-07:00Off topic, but after a typical exchange with a lib...Off topic, but after a typical exchange with a liberal acquaintance, it occurred to me that assent to liberalism is impossible if one:<br /><br />1) uses proper syntax and grammar<br />2) understands and respects the meaning of words, and<br />3) avoids logical fallacies.<br /><br />Haven't thought it through, but it would explain the priorities of the liberal educational establishment. And if one fails to abide by these, the ability to think is crippled at the foundation.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-57135401916655989332011-10-01T18:23:51.096-07:002011-10-01T18:23:51.096-07:00Wow. That seems a little uncalled-for. I don't...Wow. That seems a little uncalled-for. I don't recall Scory being a dick about his faith, nor being here to proselytize.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-18879436201664825122011-10-01T17:31:05.619-07:002011-10-01T17:31:05.619-07:00Scory,
You ignorant misguided @&;$!
Mormonism...Scory,<br />You ignorant misguided @&;$!<br /><br />Mormonism teaches that very early on, the authority to officiate in the name of God was lost entirely from the earth.<br />This is a full on rejection of the Christian tradition-Catholicism, Orthodoxy, saints, sages, art, etc.<br />They really believe that Jesus, Peter, James, et al came and returned and delivered it back to, wait for it, Joseph Smith.<br />Here's how you know they believe that. Let's have a Catholic, say, ask a Mormon if their baptism is sufficient for salvation. <br />All else about Mormonism meaningless as it regards it's efficacy. Yes, many nice, well meaning folks. The religion, being without Divine sanction cannot produce salvation or sanctity.<br />To accept Mormonism is to explicitly reject all other branches of the Christian tradition.horatiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17439964946166785818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-52087579210329150832011-10-01T16:37:31.188-07:002011-10-01T16:37:31.188-07:00@Bob, scandalous. I don't know how you put up ...@Bob, scandalous. I don't know how you put up with neighbors like that.<br /><br />When I was a kid, if I slept over at one of my Mormon friends' houses on a Saturday night, I was expected to go to church with the family on Sunday morning. But that's not the worst part; they actually insisted I <i>wear a skirt</i>.<br /><br />On an unrelated note, I have to ask: I assume the new pic is a movie poster; what's it from?juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-50162345177367790172011-10-01T15:44:41.709-07:002011-10-01T15:44:41.709-07:00jp replayed "I meant after we drain all the c...jp replayed "I meant after we drain all the cheap energy, Van. "<br /><br />Yeah. I know you did. I realize you're dead set against learning anything that goes against what you prefer to fear, but... here ya go:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv27n1/v27n1-1.pdf" rel="nofollow">W H E N W I L L T H E O I L R U N O U T ?</a><br />"<i>It is commonly asked, when will the world’s supply of oil be exhausted? The best one-word answer: Never. Since the human race began to use minerals, there has been eternal struggle — stingy nature versus inquisitive mankind. The payoff is the price of the mineral, and mankind has won big, so far. <br /><br />However, alarmists point to world oil prices and claim that what has happened “so far” will not continue much longer. They might have a point — if the world oil market featured several different, competitive suppliers. But instead, it is dominated by a monopoly supplier, so the higher prices in themselves mean nothing. To understand this, one needs a quick course in resource economics. </i>"<br /><br />, or,<br /><br /><a href="http://www.economist.com/node/6823506" rel="nofollow">Why the world is not about to run out of oil</a><br /><br />You might see more than a little of yourself in this one, <a href="http://www.cato.org/pubs/policy_report/cpr-20n2-1.html" rel="nofollow">"doom-slayer" Julian Simon (who sung most of your favorite doomies)</a><br /><br />But if you'd like to choke down the truth in a more conspiratorial atmosphere, here ya go <a href="http://www.prisonplanet.com/archives/peak_oil/index.htm" rel="nofollow">The Myth Of Peak Oil</a>.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-60018325859066917072011-10-01T15:22:41.217-07:002011-10-01T15:22:41.217-07:00Another time he was mowing his lawn and "acci...Another time he was mowing his lawn and "accidentally" crossed the boundary line and mowed some of the grass on my side of the parking strip. When I confronted him, he stammered, "well, you were going to mow it anyway, weren't you?," implying that I wasn't. Talk about passive-aggressive.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-52823221492044285232011-10-01T15:16:39.869-07:002011-10-01T15:16:39.869-07:00One time the mailman accidentally put some of my j...One time the mailman accidentally put some of my junkmail in his mailbox, and he didn't give it to me until the following day.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-62469576133840506732011-10-01T15:15:34.815-07:002011-10-01T15:15:34.815-07:00Oh, and when caught in the act, he pretended he ha...Oh, and when caught in the act, he pretended he hadn't noticed because he'd just washed his face and he was squinting because there was water in his eyes. <br /><br />Typical.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-87704102920336520642011-10-01T15:11:53.432-07:002011-10-01T15:11:53.432-07:00Not all Mormons are so pure. I have a Mormon neig...Not all Mormons are so pure. I have a Mormon neighbor who once used the hand towels in his bathroom clearly embroidered with "hers."Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.com