tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post3628292039972977876..comments2024-03-27T11:16:36.951-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: Mapping the 4-Dimensional Soul Space of PoliticsGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1286894789864276042009-09-16T01:15:31.850-07:002009-09-16T01:15:31.850-07:00Wow! That's the best (and most clear) graph, a...Wow! That's the best (and most clear) graph, and explanation I have seen, Bob! <br />Bravo Zulu! <br /><br />Van-<br />I also think you are talkin' about the same thing Bob is, but in a different way (if I follow correctly). <br />I would like to see a visual graph if possible of what you said.<br /><br />Amazing how a visual can clarify. <br />One of the many reasons I like Robin and Julie's blogkus. :^)USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-27529013688534756052009-09-15T19:24:13.647-07:002009-09-15T19:24:13.647-07:00Shoprat sent us over---great 'discussion'....Shoprat sent us over---great 'discussion'...I miss such as this-my Pastor is ill...can't wait til he returns...<br />I'll be back!<br />Carol-CSchristian soldierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04781627688988991192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-24419967949921536222009-09-14T21:52:04.769-07:002009-09-14T21:52:04.769-07:00Van,
Bucky Fuller once mused that he didn't t...Van,<br /><br />Bucky Fuller once mused that he didn't think about elegance and beauty while trying to solve a problem - but if his solution wasn't beautiful, he knew he hadn't quite found it. Please keep at it - you're on to something.<br /><br />WV: steduo <i>(two rocks of the Marne?)</i>PSGInfinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09778921507090905909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-59675723136399036922009-09-14T20:18:42.815-07:002009-09-14T20:18:42.815-07:00btw, the review of symmetrical logic in that old p...btw, the review of symmetrical logic in that old post was useful, as I assume it can be just as true of other emotions as it is of hatred.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-16860434987495924422009-09-14T20:09:52.160-07:002009-09-14T20:09:52.160-07:00Speaking of humility, Doctor Zero.Speaking of humility, <a href="http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2009/09/14/the-virtue-of-humility/" rel="nofollow">Doctor Zero</a>.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-34402858702806752202009-09-14T20:03:45.961-07:002009-09-14T20:03:45.961-07:00Ha! I remember that post, Bob!Ha! I remember that post, Bob!Susannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16381272662339466736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1428293831587710822009-09-14T19:52:52.094-07:002009-09-14T19:52:52.094-07:00:)
There's something there, a integration/dis...:)<br /><br /><i>There's something there, a integration/disintegration scale... or (same meaning, different words) Principled/pragmatic "Z" scale... but it isn't soup yet.</i><br /><br />Oddly enough, that reminds me of the time I tried making bacon apple pie from a recipe Instapundit linked. The recipe's creator said it needed something to tie it all together. It did. It was <i>mostly</i> there, but something was lacking that would have provided harmony. I've no idea what the something would have been, though.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-10260403680897148492009-09-14T19:44:03.842-07:002009-09-14T19:44:03.842-07:00Gagdad said "Oh, every once in awhile."
...Gagdad said "Oh, every once in awhile."<br /><br /><i><b>Ewe!!!</b></i>Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-5638003080721998972009-09-14T19:41:47.197-07:002009-09-14T19:41:47.197-07:00"homosexual goats'
(blink)
I have no re..."homosexual goats'<br /><br />(blink)<br /><br />I have no response to that.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-86039460854840172282009-09-14T19:39:33.351-07:002009-09-14T19:39:33.351-07:00Heh... thanks Julie, but even I can see that Gagda...Heh... thanks Julie, but even I can see that Gagdad's graph is immediatly graspable and applicable... my extention isn't even fully clear to me!<br /><br />There's something there, a integration/disintegration scale... or (same meaning, different words) Principled/pragmatic "Z" scale... but it isn't soup yet.<br /><br />Still... <i>'Join us for these thrilling tales of yesteryear, when in the distance... the cry of someone being wronged! Suddenly a hearty "Hi Ho Silver!" rings out, and a masked man with two silver pistols rides in to save the day, and his saber slashes a bold <b>"Z"</b> into the chest of the oppressor, and..."</i>... no, wait, that's not right either, is it?<br /><br />Crud.<br /><br />;-)Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-20930213471106871712009-09-14T19:29:50.525-07:002009-09-14T19:29:50.525-07:00Oh, every once in awhile.Oh, <a href="http://onecosmos.blogspot.com/2007/09/patterned-irrationality-of-left.html" rel="nofollow">every once in awhile</a>.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-39222502597647796492009-09-14T19:20:35.979-07:002009-09-14T19:20:35.979-07:00Have goats really come up that often here?Have goats really come up that often here?juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-5873789395129236732009-09-14T18:58:05.448-07:002009-09-14T18:58:05.448-07:00Search of the day:
homosexual goatsSearch of the day:<br /><br />homosexual goatsGagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-55229111680352275932009-09-14T18:06:09.055-07:002009-09-14T18:06:09.055-07:00Okay, I see the distinction now.
Thanks!Okay, I see the distinction now.<br />Thanks!juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-84072589828087413872009-09-14T17:58:52.196-07:002009-09-14T17:58:52.196-07:00Julie said "If you're transposing the ima...Julie said "If you're transposing the image to 3D, then what specifically does the Z axis represent? Maybe structure ↔ formlessness (or anarchy ↔ law)?"<br /><br />I've been thinking of it as a scale of Conceptualization, but maybe it would be best expressed as the level of integration (+) or dis-integration (-) of the movements ideas, concepts and principles, internally, and with reality...?<br /><br />One Cosmos... or infinite splatz.<br /><br /><br />"There was a deeply twisted explanation for the mechanism behind all that which lasted several pages, but they were led to believe that the Leader's caprice was truly for the benefit of the future."<br /><br />Which is what I meant about them not being able to get beyond +3 on the conceptual Z axis. The problem with the left is that it is, in fact, nothing but a glob of assertions - there are no real principles behind any of their arguments. <br /><br />The communists give a pretence of being principled, but only in their initial scenario setup, which they phrase as if there were real principles behind them, - 'workers are the real source of wealth, not bourgeoisie mgr's and financiers', 'the state will wither away'... etc.<br /><br />The problem, is that after that initial set up, they have to fall back on exactly what the Nazi's did, der fuehrer, commissar, etc, knows best for only HE knows how to do what must be done! HE embodies the Revolution! He knows how to get to 'the future!' and so forth.<br /><br />The fascists just came out and discarded the idea of principles right off the bat. They began with socialism, but as hitler describes it in mein kampf, he was lit on fire by his first exposure to a socialist speaker on the evils of capitalism, but he quickly became impatient with their 'principles' such as they were, and cut right to the chase of 'taking action!', der fuehrer embodies the Volk, and the blood spirit of the Volk is in <i>Him!</i>. <br /><br />The communist has that slightly higher layer of abstraction, 'The Revolution!' as a tissue of justification. The fascist is as visceral, perceptual as it gets in its naturalistic justifications, of "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer" - One People, One Empire, One Leader!'<br /><br />Or in brief, the communist will say 'look at our manifesto, it shows we are the future, move aside or die!', the nationalist fascist just says 'the Volk will slaughter you if you stand in our way!'.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-31033315577669497332009-09-14T16:44:40.380-07:002009-09-14T16:44:40.380-07:00OT:
“I farm for my bread and butter, and I write ...OT:<br /><br /><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/8208410.stm" rel="nofollow">“I farm for my bread and butter, and I write for a bit of jam on it..”</a><br /><br />HT: <a href="http://ochlophobist.blogspot.com/2009/09/memory-eternal.html" rel="nofollow">The Ochlophobist</a>Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-82246320993747720882009-09-14T16:35:32.123-07:002009-09-14T16:35:32.123-07:00Van - your graphic description is making my head s...Van - your graphic description is making my head spin somewhat (though granted, it doesn't take much). For the sake of dumbing it down for the restuvus, I have a couple questions:<br /><br />If you're transposing the image to 3D, then what specifically does the Z axis represent? Maybe structure ↔ formlessness (or anarchy ↔ law)?<br /><br /><i>Communists liked to claim they had an integrated set of principles, and their adherents could trot out some mumbo jumbo of ‘the principles of dialectic materialism’ that ‘proved’ such and such worked… until Stalin said it didn’t, then they’d re-cast the forms and showed how Uncle Joe actually had it right.</i> <br /><br />Going back to <i>Darkness at Noon</i>, one of the things I found interesting was that there was a mad sort of method behind all of that. The overarching goal was for a utopic equality and primordial unity for all, but it was acknowledged from the outset that to achieve this goal everything had to change and the past - the entire history, culture, tradition of man as such - literally had to erased. A type of doublethink was prescribed for the current generations, and total ignorance for the subsequent ones. They were to be nearly as mindless and void of character as cattle. Anything that deviated from that goal was a threat. And since, in a way, Uncle Joe was seen to be the very embodiment of the state, anything that went against his knowledge was wrong and therefore treasonous. There was a deeply twisted explanation for the mechanism behind all that which lasted several pages, but they were led to believe that the Leader's caprice was truly for the benefit of the future. It was not so much that they weren't serving their principles, as that they believed wholeheartedly that the fantasized ends justified <i>absolutely</i> any means. They fully acknowledged that they were presently acting in complete contradiction to those ends by engaging in false propaganda and wholesale slaughter; they simply told themselves they were serving a greater truth, to be realized some unknown time far in the future, after the taint of history had been purged from the mind of man.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-71312001089368323442009-09-14T16:23:21.453-07:002009-09-14T16:23:21.453-07:00I do believe in spooks.I do believe in spooks.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-12522154967247797212009-09-14T16:22:08.705-07:002009-09-14T16:22:08.705-07:00Sez we're supposed to find out later.
I'm ...Sez we're supposed to find out later.<br />I'm a little scared.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-20050814142689739392009-09-14T16:18:54.298-07:002009-09-14T16:18:54.298-07:00Moron witch... Nancy Pelosi or Barbara Boxer?Moron witch... Nancy Pelosi or Barbara Boxer?Cousin Dupreenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-77026171493919053682009-09-14T16:16:34.124-07:002009-09-14T16:16:34.124-07:00"The real evildoers are situated in the minus..."The real evildoers are situated in the minus space below the horizontal axis. More on which later."<br /><br />Great post, but..<br />You speld moron witch rong.<br />Jus sayin...Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-85179780874865731972009-09-14T15:25:07.871-07:002009-09-14T15:25:07.871-07:00watch the lgf meltdown live herewatch the lgf meltdown live <a href="http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=charles+johnson+lgf&spell=1&oi=spell&sa=X" rel="nofollow">here</a>Alannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-90612529988635191042009-09-14T15:22:30.626-07:002009-09-14T15:22:30.626-07:00aninnymouse said "It would seem to me, based ...aninnymouse said "It would seem to me, based on your graph, the trick would be to place oneself in the "elites.""<br /><br />Ah. Didn't quite get the whole concept of the quadrant, did you?<br /><br />wv:figrear<br />It said it, not me.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-76047196073574938622009-09-14T15:17:30.717-07:002009-09-14T15:17:30.717-07:00It would seem to me, based on your graph, the tric...It would seem to me, based on your graph, the trick would be to place oneself in the "elites." Then, any quadrant becomes a "good" place to be...<br /><br />Conversely, one must avoid being un-elite or downtrodden. Basic stuff, I guess.<br /><br />I posit mobility between the quadrants, based on a person's stage in life. <br /><br />Per the precepts of the mother, the darkest shadows indicate, quite precisely and in exact ratio, the truiumphs latent in the being. She gave the example of the thief having the potential for the greatest honesty, the most afraid the most capable of supreme courage, and so forth...<br /><br />Examine oneself for the shadows, review ones history, and then decide if there is something to this...<br /><br />TasurinchiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-85592349707887741802009-09-14T13:18:02.710-07:002009-09-14T13:18:02.710-07:00“As Hayek explains in detail, it never works, for ...“As Hayek explains in detail, it never works, for you are either for liberty or against it. Top-down solutions always involve taking away someone's liberty in order to give advantage to some favored group.”<br /><br />Definitely.<br /><br />A practical problem with top-down solutions, is that they are nothing but enforced stupidity. An intelligent decision can only be made with a clear grasp of the realities of the situation, and applying a principled decision to bring about a solution. A stupid decision is one which takes no account of the realities of the situation, and makes a decision with little or no likelihood of working beyond that of sheer luck.<br /><br />Top-down ‘solutions’ are made with no direct understanding of the realities of the situation at hand, they are pre-fabricated decisions which have little or no points upon which to plug in to bring about a solution.<br /><br />In IT, we spend numerous expensive hours analyzing and crunching numbers and data from the grass-roots operatives in the field (from around the world), which through reports and so forth we generalize into a picture of reality that, if done correctly and not breaching important principles, gives mgmt an understanding of what is happening in their business.<br /><br />You can always tell whether or not mgmt is intelligent or idiotic, based upon whether they look at these reports and send back a command to the next level footprint on scalp level of mgmt to ‘bring this number up!’, who then passes the baseless order on down the line of muddied scalps (i.e. top-down stupidity) inevitably producing ‘bad profit numbers’ in the next report, or whether they ask the next level mgrs who are closer to reality what is it they need to be able change what is producing the weak results, who then seeks from the next layer mgmt who is that much closer to reality, what they need in order to improve things, and so on down to the actual people in contact with reality, who then are able to say, and do, what is more intelligent in the field, and the numbers on the next profit report are ‘good’ numbers showing rising profits.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.com