tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post2959788919532833846..comments2024-03-27T11:16:36.951-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: Satan's Frenzy and God's PeaceGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-69365778658572683402017-05-18T09:20:29.073-07:002017-05-18T09:20:29.073-07:00I think I would say that the enigma is exactly wha...I think I would say that the enigma is exactly what you stated earlier, that some things you cannot learn except by experience, and sometimes that experience is suffering. Without it we do not bloom. But we cannot wish it upon ourselves or the ones we love. But we cannot wish it withheld it either, lest we become something worse in our comfort. I imagine that this must be the greatest difficulty for a parent, to know the pain that their child must go through to experience right formation, the pruning that must occur for blossoms to appear, but to wish more than anything that the cup could pass, that there was another way. <br /><br />To see a loved one go through these sorts of sufferings, to be unable to wish them gone, only to wish them complete, is an unbearable pain, but is also, I think, to experience some part of the heart of God for us.Paul Griffinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11266956202232070017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-37114963925340945292017-05-18T09:07:32.078-07:002017-05-18T09:07:32.078-07:00That's also true Julie. In fact, Tibetan Buddh...That's also true Julie. In fact, Tibetan Buddhism and Kashmir Shaivism also have a trinitarian grounding to Truth, with a male-female complementary. I think this works too.tedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07354048695798015131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-30749350414690200822017-05-18T08:46:57.036-07:002017-05-18T08:46:57.036-07:00Paul, well said. I've no doubt your lovely mot...Paul, well said. I've no doubt your lovely mother was an excellent example.<br /><br />FWIW, I too tend to think of the Holy Spirit as feminine. But of course, also very Mysterious...juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-48486678137022730542017-05-18T08:35:17.686-07:002017-05-18T08:35:17.686-07:00A more robust relational ontology. Concur. The e...A more robust relational ontology. Concur. The ever present womb, the first and last name in integration. Concur ². Suffering is terrible, but the alternative is unthinkable. Concur³. Paul, you may enjoy the Spitzer book. It helped me better understand the whole question of suffering, although it still has its enigmas. Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00911613613759942690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-7441339041419726522017-05-18T08:23:00.342-07:002017-05-18T08:23:00.342-07:00Absent the suffering, the synthesis or integration...<i>Absent the suffering, the synthesis or integration wouldn't have occurred.</i> <br /><br />This is true, but the implications are so difficult, it is an almost unbearable thought when we are in the midst of our suffering. And saying it to someone in the midst of their pain may be the most unhelpful of all. And yet it is true. And somehow we must learn it. And watch those we love experience it. And watch them hurt for us while we go through it ourselves. It is terrible, but the alternative is unthinkable...<br /><br /><i>Speaking of which -- or whom -- I've been looking into another mater, the possibility that the Holy Spirit is feminine.</i> <br /><br />I have had very solid experience to back up the idea that your relationship with your mother becomes in many ways the template for your relationship with the Holy Spirit, in the same way that your relationship with your father is the template for your relationship with God the Father. Helping others work through issues surrounding their relationship with mom has opened up channels for receiving from the Holy Spirit pretty consistently.Paul Griffinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11266956202232070017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-13558006939920910382017-05-18T08:08:35.882-07:002017-05-18T08:08:35.882-07:00Going with the feminine twist, I'm not sure wh...Going with the feminine twist, I'm not sure whether or not this might land me a spot on "What's my heresy?!", but what popped into mind while reading. .. taking the holy ghost from the ghost in the machine, to the ghost IS the machine, where does "What if material reality is the physical manifestation of the Holy Spirit? The ever present womb, the first and last name in integration, the necessary basis for Sophia, that is always at hand and ready to be inspired?" land me?Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-57619785751348367132017-05-18T08:02:19.169-07:002017-05-18T08:02:19.169-07:00Tomberg gave a go at it. Not sure how this works, ...<a href="https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-XLY4-SpZhyE/WJjjCOm9enI/AAAAAAAAAq8/ZdNcyoYUw08cqlFsCExqX3B1weIU7BCoACLcB/s1600/trinity.gif" rel="nofollow">Tomberg gave a go at it</a>. Not sure how this works, other than overlaying an Sophia-laden Trinity with the traditional one. It probably gives the the Trinity a more robust relational ontology.tedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07354048695798015131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-58193420307100860252017-05-18T08:00:33.840-07:002017-05-18T08:00:33.840-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.tedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07354048695798015131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-16991791301195763052017-05-17T12:22:56.769-07:002017-05-17T12:22:56.769-07:00Could be. It's difficult to figure out where ...Could be. It's difficult to figure out where Sophia fits in with the Trinity. For example, she is described as being there from the beginning and helping out with creation... Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00911613613759942690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-42305214509422875352017-05-17T10:55:23.957-07:002017-05-17T10:55:23.957-07:00Speaking of which -- or whom -- I've been look...<i>Speaking of which -- or whom -- I've been looking into another mater, the possibility that the Holy Spirit is feminine.</i><br /><br />Contrarily, I've heard it argued recently that the Holy Spirit is male, at least in relation to Mary. She was described as daughter to the Father, mother to the Son, and spouse to the Holy Spirit. FWIW - not saying that's correct, just another mystery to ponder...juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-85991699204257802532017-05-17T10:51:57.076-07:002017-05-17T10:51:57.076-07:00(That is, they break free when they notice. That&#...(That is, they break free when they notice. That's what happens when I try to think in a hurry...)juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-20532476502438406992017-05-17T10:50:40.702-07:002017-05-17T10:50:40.702-07:00Is the left ever sober? No, their baseline is hyst...<i>Is the left ever sober? No, their baseline is hysteria, and hysteria always exteriorizes, fragments, and dissipates.</i><br /><br />Occasionally, people do manage to break free of the spell. Often, it seems, when they finally notice that what energizes them, in spite of their claims to be about love and inclusiveness, is the constant and ever-increasing state of hatefulness, even to the point where they regularly devour their own.<br /><br />Madness.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.com