tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post208770515381037895..comments2024-03-28T12:10:26.197-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: Intelligent DaseinGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-46861400896751010762008-06-15T13:02:00.000-07:002008-06-15T13:02:00.000-07:00If I said Dragons are definitely green, who could ...<I>If I said Dragons are definitely green, who could possibly argue the color of an imaginary creature if it's part of my imagination. At that point, it would be justifiable to ignore me and just call me an idiot.</I><BR/><BR/>Well, the dragon thing is kind of fanciful. Instead, how about if you said you possess conscious self-awareness? I think this would be a more interesting claim to consider, because it's completely unproveable and yet <I>true</I> (isn't it?...or is it?).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-53133255411940672592008-06-15T12:34:00.000-07:002008-06-15T12:34:00.000-07:00Anon 9:33 wrote:That crap about the left actually ...Anon 9:33 wrote:<BR/><BR/><I>That crap about the left actually doesn't present any actual data, it just says it exists.</I><BR/><BR/>From the article: <BR/><BR/>""""<BR/><BR/><B>The statistics I base this on come from the General Social Survey, America's premier social research database</B>, but they are just as relevant to the UK, as I believe political belief systems drive one's attitudes, regardless of where you happen to live. <BR/><BR/>Those surveyed were asked: 'Is it your obligation to care for a seriously injured/ill spouse or parent, or should you give care only if you really want to?' Of those describing themselves as 'conservative', 71 per cent said it was. Only 46 per cent of those on the Left agreed. <BR/><BR/>To the question: 'Do you get happiness by putting someone else's happiness ahead of your own?', 55 per cent of those who said they were 'very conservative' said Yes, compared with 20 per cent of those who were 'very liberal'.<BR/><BR/>""""" <BR/><BR/>And it continues on with more. I would assume the data is legit. It certainly agrees with my impression of leftwingers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1323670816985663702008-06-15T10:16:00.000-07:002008-06-15T10:16:00.000-07:00aninnymouse said "At that point, it would be justi...aninnymouse said "At that point, it would be justifiable to ignore me and just call me an idiot., because there are some subjects people are just too stupid and ignorant of to actually be able to argue with. "<BR/><BR/>I think you summed yourself up well. BTW, your dragon is showing. And it most definitely is green.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-47878138832967359752008-06-15T10:00:00.000-07:002008-06-15T10:00:00.000-07:00Gagdad said "We've discussed before how the Randia...Gagdad said "We've discussed before how the Randian Objectivism is an excellent mental disinfectant, but you can't just leave it at that."<BR/><BR/>Yep. A great place to clean up and start the dei from, but at some point you need to get dressed and 'go to work'... just standing there scrubbin' clean, isn't enough to take you through.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-65267246451455240002008-06-15T09:54:00.000-07:002008-06-15T09:54:00.000-07:00Congrat's Lisa!Congrat's Lisa!Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-56286005096766223842008-06-15T09:53:00.000-07:002008-06-15T09:53:00.000-07:00BTW, there's no reason for us to speculate any lon...BTW, there's no reason for us to speculate any longer, the History Channel, tomorrow at 9:00 est is airing "How Life Began", so... time to roll up our blogs and go home.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-70664412540140073582008-06-15T09:50:00.000-07:002008-06-15T09:50:00.000-07:00"But to understand Darwinism is to have transcende..."But to understand Darwinism is to have transcended it."<BR/><BR/>Says it all.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-74529965118385490032008-06-15T09:33:00.000-07:002008-06-15T09:33:00.000-07:00That crap about the left actually doesn't present ...That crap about the left actually doesn't present any actual data, it just says it exists. I hate politicizing issues that aren't really related to politics, but somehow the left and right manage to do it, just to make it seem as if the other is bad. Who looks more pathetic? Seriously, cut the crap... If I had to relate it to programming I'd call it an empty pointer. But anyway, on to something I noticed Ben say,<BR/><BR/>This blog's participants have often not directly argued the points provided by many people, doing the same exact thing you claim to find as weakness in from others doing the same. You would think you would recognize that you're pointing out a fault you share and would attempt to avoid being a hypocrite, however your attention span is as short as the daily blog. But at the same time there are arguments provided that can't be directly argued at all times. If I said Dragons are definitely green, who could possibly argue the color of an imaginary creature if it's part of my imagination. At that point, it would be justifiable to ignore me and just call me an idiot., because there are some subjects people are just too stupid and ignorant of to actually be able to argue with. Not saying that Bob is, but you're point has little validity of proving them wrong, they just didn't care to argue their points.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-51447530149839460632008-06-15T08:30:00.000-07:002008-06-15T08:30:00.000-07:00Oops, Sorry JOHN, for some strange reason I though...Oops, Sorry JOHN, for some strange reason I thought it was Jim/James and it's been so long since we've corresponded personally. I did struggle with the coonfusion while posting but decided to go with my first instinct, boy do those suck! lol...How's Whittier? Still hiking?<BR/><BR/>Ben or was that really Skully? Of course you are invited! Yes, Dilys, I'm hoping this one will stick too,thanks!<BR/><BR/>Off to trapeze class! Great day for it too. Happy Father's Day to all you Dads out there!Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04969685296436358865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-76330065921898836122008-06-15T07:57:00.000-07:002008-06-15T07:57:00.000-07:00Eh, young-uns, how well the very-complimentary Joa...Eh, young-uns, how <EM>well</EM> the very-complimentary Joan and I remember the day back in Ought-Something when our JWM coined the "Jesus willies." Ben's definition could also include not just a seething hatred of God, but also an unresolved power struggle with those who used hallowed names to buttress their own pitiful authority and left a slimy trail on, often, the souls of little ones of all ages. The syndrome is a living definition of GB's and Bion's observation of "saturated language." <BR/><BR/>One of the challenges which One Cosmos both meets and offers is to find the new, often unspoken, language about Reality in the moment. It also probably requires a parallel inner work on the expression function to Blake's "cleansing of the doors of perception." Parroting "what I've heard" is still rumor, however exalted the purpose or content.<BR/><BR/>PS. Bob, you might want to click the name link for a post on a new book by Girard, still going strong in a bamboo orchard near Stanford.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-17901593361717908822008-06-15T07:40:00.000-07:002008-06-15T07:40:00.000-07:00Joy and many years, Lisa!Joy and many years, Lisa!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-19480597671761406502008-06-15T06:51:00.000-07:002008-06-15T06:51:00.000-07:00Conservatives are less self-centered, less envious...Conservatives are less self-centered, less envious, hug their children more, are more willing to care for an ailing family member, and are less concerned about money than leftwingers. In other words, they're nicer: <BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026442/Dont-listen-liberals--Right-wingers-really-nicer-people-latest-research-shows.html" REL="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026442/Dont-listen-liberals--Right-wingers-really-nicer-people-latest-research-shows.html</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-8650669802123177182008-06-15T06:48:00.000-07:002008-06-15T06:48:00.000-07:00I have one quibble with yesterday's article. Maybe...I have one quibble with yesterday's article. Maybe I just haven't come across all these alleged MENSA haters of God yet, (is it just the Christian concept of God they're supposed to hate?) but I have found that most by and large believe in some kind of god, or at least what one might term has a higher intelligence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-71887987090982281822008-06-15T01:35:00.000-07:002008-06-15T01:35:00.000-07:00Happy Father's Day, to all you paternal raccoons o...Happy Father's Day, to all you paternal raccoons out there!juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-22233437454679594352008-06-14T23:20:00.000-07:002008-06-14T23:20:00.000-07:00Ben said:It is strange how some folks can be so se...<I> Ben said:It is strange how some folks can be so sensible on most any issue, but when you mention Religion, Absolute Truth, G-d, ID, or anything of that nature, they become hysterically unglued!<BR/><BR/>I reckon it's a deep-seated, seething hatred of God, and this is one way to provide an outlet for that hatred.</I><BR/><BR/>Ben, I've been looking for a succinct summation of all that I half jokingly call the Jesus Willies. You did it.<BR/> Bingo,<BR/> Bullseye,<BR/> 10/10. <BR/>The term, "Jesus Willies" (yeah, I pwn3d it ;p) is half joking. The condition is no joke.<BR/>Lisa: My brother is in NYC.<BR/><BR/>J(ohn)WMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-54034449425299033682008-06-14T21:48:00.000-07:002008-06-14T21:48:00.000-07:00Viva Las Vegas! May I attend, Lisa? I promise, you...Viva Las Vegas! <BR/>May I attend, Lisa? I promise, you won't even know I'm there. <BR/>Probably.USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-87344114896167431142008-06-14T21:46:00.000-07:002008-06-14T21:46:00.000-07:00Here's the first half of the quote I posted earlie...Here's the first half of the quote I posted earlier. <BR/>Raccoons will not be deceived by the few nuggets of truth in this piece of garbage. <BR/><BR/>#616 Dan G.<BR/><BR/>"To those stating that Darwinism leads to a devaluation of life... How? How does knowing the molecular basis of life and the fact that it has changed over time lead to me devaluing the only life I have? How does it lead to me ignoring the benefits of civil society for my life? How does it lead to me to ignoring that freedom and respect for individual rights is the only way to create a civil and productive society? How does it lead to ignoring all of this and then wholesale slaughter? It doesn't. On the contrary, evolution, and the sciences that spawned therefrom, make it more possible to protect one's precious life; by knowing the actual causes of disease. Whereas when your alleged life-loving faith ruled the Western world it blamed bad smelling air. What's worse, modern archaeologists are finding more and more that the Romans had many advanced medical technologies that were summarily destroyed by your barbaric creed."<BR/><BR/>He asks all the wrong questions and then goes on a little rant about the "barbaric creed." <BR/><BR/>This might have made some sense to me when I was an agnostic idiot.<BR/>But now I see it like Bob so aptly describes:<BR/>"Horizontal folks -- flatland materialists, secular pneumapaths, left-brainers, MENSA members, et al -- love to sneer at religion and exalt the superiority of science or mere reason in understanding the world. But when they do this, they always deal with a caricature of religion based upon their own limited horizontal understanding. In this regard, they are very much like children or primitive people who cannot transcend their narrow cognitive horizons, and mock what they do not understand."<BR/><BR/>Sing it Brotha Bob! :^)<BR/><BR/>BTW, that recommendation of Van Morrison, Still On The Top-The Greatest Hits, was outstanding, Bob!<BR/>Thanks a million! Patti loves it as well! Truly, refreshing and inspirational and Godly music! :^)USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-84521077125281693732008-06-14T21:29:00.000-07:002008-06-14T21:29:00.000-07:00Thanks to Nomo,Jim, and Ben for the well wishes an...Thanks to Nomo,Jim, and Ben for the well wishes and no I didn't make him give me 3 rings!! I am pushing for the Elvis wedding in Vegas next summer.<BR/><BR/>Hey Jim, Is your brother at the new TSNY in Santa Monica or back east? I have flown at the SM one and it is such a beautiful view. I wonder how the new ferris wheel looks. We could have an East Valley meeting on the pier! Who is the leader of the east valley, like, anyway? ;)Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04969685296436358865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-46106982124630525342008-06-14T21:28:00.000-07:002008-06-14T21:28:00.000-07:00Gagdad Bob said... Good analysis. We've discussed ...Gagdad Bob said... <BR/>Good analysis. We've discussed before how the Randian Objectivism is an excellent mental disinfectant, but you can't just leave it at that. I agree that a certain type of adolescent hubris can be either the cause or consequence of that fixation. At Dr. Sanity, there was a regular poster named A. Rational Human who suffered from the same malady.<BR/><BR/>That is the best explanation I've read, Bob!<BR/>I reckon that's what Jesus meant when He said he would be a stumbling block for some. <BR/>Or perhaps the perception some have, because they tend to lump everything into "sides" and either/or, and Religion, or Intelligence = Creationist or Fundie Loon.USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-29492668412149104042008-06-14T21:17:00.000-07:002008-06-14T21:17:00.000-07:00Speaking of LGF, this is part of a comment, by Dan...Speaking of LGF, this is part of a comment, by Dan G., that was updinged by Charles and many of the long time lizards I used to respect:<BR/><BR/>"After 9/11, I (and others, I'm sure) was willing to hold my criticism of the "religious right" because OUR country was under attack and at least they spoke about strong defense etc... I'd hold my tongue and join them in the fight against the barbarians at the gate. The theocrats took advantage of this and have begun trying to force their agenda on everyone else by hook or by crook; stabbing me, and other formerly tolerant people in the back. NO MORE."<BR/><BR/>Theocrat paranoia. That sounds familiar. <BR/><BR/>And I noticed that no one debated Bob directly, preferring instead to mock, deflect, and misrepresent what he was saying. <BR/><BR/>It is strange how some folks can be so sensible on most any issue, but when you mention Religion, Absolute Truth, G-d, ID, or anything of that nature, they become hysterically unglued!<BR/><BR/>I reckon it's a deep-seated, seething hatred of God, and this is one way to provide an outlet for that hatred.USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-47517555791679945302008-06-14T21:08:00.000-07:002008-06-14T21:08:00.000-07:00Coongratulations Lisa!!!May your upcoming marriage...Coongratulations Lisa!!!<BR/>May your upcoming marriage be more fun than a three ring circus! :^)<BR/><BR/>Seriously, G-d bless you both, and your marriage! I'll be there, in spirit!USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-46607629708479450252008-06-14T18:55:00.000-07:002008-06-14T18:55:00.000-07:00Yeah, it's funny the transition from Objectivism/h...Yeah, it's funny the transition from Objectivism/hard Libertarianism to Conservatism. There's definitely a pattern to it, a typical path that certain people tend to take. You do the Rand thing for a few years, which kind of wipes the slate clean, then you move on. It's a kind of boot camp where you go around all hard core and shaved headed for a while.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-9908169509232308522008-06-14T18:05:00.000-07:002008-06-14T18:05:00.000-07:00Some reptiles evolveThey become feral remnantSingi...Some reptiles evolve<BR/>They become feral remnant<BR/>Singing with Raccoons.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Congratulations Lisa! (btw My brother is now an instructor at TSNY)<BR/><BR/>JWMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-15469270269225055992008-06-14T17:17:00.000-07:002008-06-14T17:17:00.000-07:00Lisa! May you both fly through the aerie with the ...Lisa! May you both fly through the aerie with the greatest of ease!<BR/><BR/>Coongrats!NoMohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01100042056270224683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-70129724785962252382008-06-14T17:11:00.000-07:002008-06-14T17:11:00.000-07:00Yes, A Rational Human -- the person who insisted t...Yes, A Rational Human -- the person who insisted that an unborn child was a "parasite" that the mother could dispose of at will. A class act, that one...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com