tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post1866379198383023240..comments2024-03-28T20:04:20.286-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: Cosmo-Drama and the Reality of TimeGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-86432475461579389632009-05-21T15:35:29.570-07:002009-05-21T15:35:29.570-07:00Last time I heard that joke I fell off my Darwinia...Last time I heard that joke I fell off my Darwinian.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-37085422966626769902009-05-21T14:47:23.953-07:002009-05-21T14:47:23.953-07:00"anyone in particular you felt resembled that rema..."anyone in particular you felt resembled that remark?"<br /><br />Yes, it was directed to Bob. He tends to invent what "Darwinians" believe, and the supposed implications of those beliefs.<br /><br />The problem is, no one really self-identifies as a "Darwinian", and few if any who accept the Theory of Evolution express any belief that it "destroys wonder". And note that a lot of scientists were irritated about the excess media hype over Ida -- it's the journalists who were all atwitter over it. Maybe GB's just talking about a certain subset of evolutionists he calls "Darwinians", but he comes off just uninformed and arrogant here.<br /><br />It wasn't really intended as a flaming arrow, though. GB has the capacity to be interesting when he's talking about his own thoughts, even for those who don't buy his mysticism.CrypticLifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05313033952671292402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-18517396589384127512009-05-21T14:15:34.086-07:002009-05-21T14:15:34.086-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.NoMohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01100042056270224683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-45009388294409898892009-05-21T08:57:32.277-07:002009-05-21T08:57:32.277-07:00I probably would have laughed myself off the chair...I probably would have laughed myself off the chair if you'd managed to fit a <A HREF="http://media.photobucket.com/image/cornholio%20%252522are%20you%20threatening%20me%252522/georgekarras/Images/cornholio1.jpg" REL="nofollow">Cornholio</A> reference in there, too ;)juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-16296675206975871072009-05-21T08:45:58.313-07:002009-05-21T08:45:58.313-07:00Bob,
Most likely, at the end of the day we won't d...Bob,<br />Most likely, at the end of the day we won't disagree--I just had no idea how long this day would be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-74312780112952662292009-05-21T08:44:17.229-07:002009-05-21T08:44:17.229-07:00I knew you would like those Julie. I actually, th...I knew you would like those Julie. I actually, thought, I should put her name in quotes, that would be both weird and funny:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-42933352536743695232009-05-21T08:28:29.011-07:002009-05-21T08:28:29.011-07:00the ever threatened "Julie"
:D
That's a new one...<I>the ever threatened "Julie"</I> <br /><br />:D<br /><br />That's a new one; I like the scare quotes - nice touch.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-40825971842781927772009-05-21T08:24:08.371-07:002009-05-21T08:24:08.371-07:00I fully understand where you're coming from. We j...I fully understand where you're coming from. We just disagree.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-78436008480779236692009-05-21T08:15:05.019-07:002009-05-21T08:15:05.019-07:00"Whatever its merits, such a view is absolutely ir..."Whatever its merits, such a view is absolutely irreconcilable with Christianity. One can admire Schuon's lifelong project of seeking the "transcendent unity of religions," but the fact of the martyr is that one cannot reconcile Ramana Maharshi and Christ unless one does violence to one or the other teaching."<br /><br />At the risk of seeming all puffed up to the ever threatened "Julie", I wish to simply say that my objections had little to do with defending the Maharshi, but simply to point out that Schuon did, in fact, reconcile these teachings, and that, without doing "violence" to them. He did so, not, as you say, from the point of view of advaita-vedanta, but from that of a realized being, one who stood at the peak of a mountain.<br />Now, quite bobviously, one can disagree with his views, but it is hard to see how, since this is his starting point as such--meaning the "religio perennis"--that you can then proceed to admire him, quote him, etc. It's a bit like admiring Adam Smith, except his views on economics, or finding Rush Limbaugh to have amazing things to say about cigars, but fundamentally disagreeing with his politics.<br />It is this fundamental starting point that leads Schuon to find, for example, Amerindian religion to be not only authentic, but in some ways, the best of the best (I don't think Schuon would say the religions are equal, but simply salvific), being as close as possible to the "primordial religion". Indeed, he didn't travel from Europe to America to see a Catholic Mass or even the Brooklyn Dodgers, but the Crow Sun Dance. Also this starting point leads him to find Islam an authentic revelation, and finally about the only remaining opening for esoterism within Sufism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-8657731377519013382009-05-21T07:05:23.351-07:002009-05-21T07:05:23.351-07:00Another excellent post, Bob. I'm loving the drama...Another excellent post, Bob. I'm loving the drama perspective...not that "the whole world is a stage" or anything.<br /><br />wv in sync: olysseNoMohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01100042056270224683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-61390040194760862122009-05-21T03:30:03.313-07:002009-05-21T03:30:03.313-07:00"But it means nothing, which again makes us wonder..."But it means nothing, which again makes us wonder why Darwinians ware jumping for joy over the discovery of that fossil. Why joy? I don't get it. Who cares if there are eight wonders if the eighth wonder proves that wonder is completely pointless? Let's grant Darwinians their fantasy, and suppose that this fossil finally proves that human existence is meaningless. Why would that be a cause for glee instead of sadness?"<br /><br />Precisely! When the end-all be all is "fairness" without justice, reduced to passing on our genes (or guilt over bein' alive where we are compelled to euthanize our selves to "save" mudda gaya), who f*ckin' cares?<br /><br />Might as well be narcissistic hedonists. Momma maya! Where's the spicey meat balls? Hope(lessness) and che-angst! Death be-comes us! Is this who we are waiting for?<br /><br />Not just no, but hell no! Nuts to the satanic voidgin monologues!<br />Not only is that movie a horrendous and chaotic mess, but even the soundtrack is hideous.<br />The writer sucks, the director is an idiot, the producers are morons and the music arranger is tone death. Who wants to be in that flick? <br />It's not even worthy to make much fun of. <br /><br />Why do folks want theo-drama, heroes and stories with meaning, instead of nihilistic disasters no one care's about?USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-38098008879260640322009-05-21T02:54:42.050-07:002009-05-21T02:54:42.050-07:00"Now, one of the reasons Balthasar had to spend so..."Now, one of the reasons Balthasar had to spend some 3,000 pages explicating the Christian theo-drama, is that the intrinsically dramatic nature of Christianity was apparently no longer evident to people, just as he had to spend some 4,000 pages on The Glory of the Lord, since the divine beauty was no longer obvious to folks. Rather, it seems that for many Christians, their faith is reduced to just that faith, but faith in what?"<br /><br />This is so crucial! I could say the same about our Founding Fathers when they said: "We hold these truth's to be self evident."<br /><br />Well, these truth's are no longer self evident to most folks, else we wouldn't have an avid follower of Alinsky (not to mention the not-so-reverend Wright "God Damn America!", minister of black <br />che-ology crapola) as President.Skullynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-65843689823452341972009-05-21T02:44:10.272-07:002009-05-21T02:44:10.272-07:00Lotsa deep and good stuff today, Bob!
"Schuon nev...Lotsa deep and good stuff today, Bob!<br /><br />"Schuon never mentions him by name, but you can tell when he's referring to him, because he always snarls when doing so. Same with Teilhard de Chardin. For Schuon, they might as well be Deepak."<br /><br />Ha ha! I laughed out loud at that. <br />I like how you, Bob, can extricate truth, goodness and beauty from Schuon, while leaving the rest.<br /><br />Obviously, Schuon has much to give. More than most of us can ever realize.<br />The Queegs of the world would simply call him (and Sri Aurobindo, Meister Eckhart, Thomas Aquinas, Paul, etc.), "kooks" and "shills" to ignore, thinking they have all the answers through their unsustainable "science."<br /><br />We certainly need both Schuon and Sri Aurobindo (and many other Saints, Mystics and Sages) to grow.<br />And thanks for doin' that.<br />Tradition and cosmic evolution are both needed, and Bobviously, you gno this.USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-72406504638546870392009-05-20T21:29:41.803-07:002009-05-20T21:29:41.803-07:00Thanks, Bob.Thanks, Bob.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-65296323242223486732009-05-20T21:25:57.100-07:002009-05-20T21:25:57.100-07:00If you google Balthasar + Tomberg, you get quite a...If you google Balthasar + Tomberg, you get quite a bit of material, including <A HREF="http://www.ignatiusinsight.com/features2007/scaldecott_hubtarot_apr07.asp" REL="nofollow">this</A>.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-11164215764731342352009-05-20T21:22:51.615-07:002009-05-20T21:22:51.615-07:00Yes, Balthasar has a quote from MOTT at the front ...Yes, Balthasar has a quote from MOTT at the front of one of the volumes of Theo-Drama, plus a handful of references and footnotes scattered in one of the volumes.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-64753282795949103052009-05-20T21:06:29.767-07:002009-05-20T21:06:29.767-07:00Did somebody say slacks?Did somebody say slacks?Madame Hillarynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-40886282191979258082009-05-20T21:04:40.247-07:002009-05-20T21:04:40.247-07:00Petey,
For your consideration:
"I did not come to ...Petey,<br />For your consideration:<br />"I did not come to abolish the slack,<br />Obama did."Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-48343865675603585962009-05-20T20:46:47.863-07:002009-05-20T20:46:47.863-07:00Bob,
Do you know how was it that HvB came to write...Bob,<br />Do you know how was it that HvB came to write the afterword to MOTT? The afterword came about 10 years after UF's death, I think - but did they know each other personally? Does HvB speak of UF in any of HvB's other work you've read?Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-66578988099729744182009-05-20T20:31:04.009-07:002009-05-20T20:31:04.009-07:00Ximeze,
“"That's part of getting science out to th...Ximeze,<br />“"That's part of getting science out to the public, to get attention," he said. "I don't think that's so wrong."”<br /><br />Yeah – I caught that too – via Ace o Spades. That one statement is just bursting with “tells”. “I don’t think”, “wrong (wrong?)”, “attention”… <br /><br />I have no difficulty saying I care more about science than that guy does.<br />The ends justify the means I suppose. And what are those ends again?Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-20012045959079439262009-05-20T20:16:49.357-07:002009-05-20T20:16:49.357-07:00By the way, this post was helpful today. Thanks.By the way, this post was helpful today. Thanks.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-34844558284039794522009-05-20T19:33:49.128-07:002009-05-20T19:33:49.128-07:00Cassandra,
Since you like Wagner cracks, you shou...Cassandra,<br /><br />Since you like Wagner cracks, you should enjoy this site:<br /><br />http://www.amiright.com/quotes/wagner.shtml<br /><br />(The last quote is my personal favorite.) Somebody should see if they can get Bob's original quote posted here....Warrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13623170987747998335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-77259031121005284582009-05-20T18:10:52.857-07:002009-05-20T18:10:52.857-07:00Ximeze, so true. I think a regular diet of OC supp...Ximeze, so true. I think a regular diet of OC supplemented by all the extra reading has pretty much cured me of my craving for that stuff. I tried to watch the Real Housewives of New Jersey last night (I only know about it because <A HREF="http://suzette.typepad.com/suzette/" REL="nofollow">Suzette</A> is a fan); intolerable.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-87654559595458573322009-05-20T16:58:34.682-07:002009-05-20T16:58:34.682-07:00The Voyeur<A HREF="http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IMAGES/cartoons/toon052009.gif" REL="nofollow"><I>The Voyeur</I></A>ximezenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-26905098702552274452009-05-20T16:50:28.149-07:002009-05-20T16:50:28.149-07:00Cryptlife said "...rather than pontificating on wh...Cryptlife said "...rather than pontificating on what you believe ..."<br /><br />Hmm... hard to make out the address on this flaming arrow... anyone in particular you felt resembled that remark?Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.com