tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post1830795687966722156..comments2024-03-28T20:04:20.286-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: Beware the Fascist Atheocracy of the Left (3.08.12)Gagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger78125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-69517842236434268912007-03-29T08:36:00.000-07:002007-03-29T08:36:00.000-07:00Interesting points Van.I too have been very concer...Interesting points Van.<BR/>I too have been very concerned about the low quality and lack of depth shown by members of the Senate. It seems people will elect Senators who display the appropriate number of "currently popular trend factors", particularly in blue states. Wise individuals who are able to discern the unintended consquences of their decisions and govern accordingly are definitely not in the current trend.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-69363694723339574392007-03-29T06:27:00.000-07:002007-03-29T06:27:00.000-07:00PS - Muslim Scholars are wont to make 'Pious Exagg...PS - Muslim Scholars are wont to make 'Pious Exaggerations' - something Schoun has to discuss when he discusses Islam - which is a very unfortunate tendency if not just today, in general, because the Muslim masses seem to have a collective, radical reaction to these things.<BR/><BR/>Which makes great sense of the phrase: "Those who know, do not say, and those who say, do not know."<BR/><BR/>In such an environment, this phrase is not just a clue for seekers, but a piece of vital advice for any intellect.Ephrem Antony Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032465992619034619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-60938127667150389232007-03-29T06:15:00.000-07:002007-03-29T06:15:00.000-07:00Possum; the only reason I can see for not replicat...Possum; the only reason I can see for not replicating the U.S. constitution is the soil in which it must grow. But to Esoterize the Exoteric:<BR/><BR/><I>"Embedded" in many muslims' protests of democracy is an aversion to the reign of the same beast you and Petey have just called out.</I><BR/><BR/>Is incorrect, in my view. Whether or not their aversion is quote-un-quote embedded in their protest, by which is meant it is embedded in the mind of the scholar whose unfortunately chosen words sparked that protest and NOT in the collectivist adherents, it matters most that they are propagating something that is completely counter to it.<BR/><BR/>If you dig deep enough you may find it "embedded" in all things; for if God & Eternity are written in our hearts. But don't take a deeper knowledge to a priori assume a deeper knowledge in another who speaks the words which to you have deeper meaning. It doesn't make them insincere in their belief, but it also does not make them spiritually aware, either.<BR/><BR/>There are Christians who can quote the Bible all day sincerely, and still not get half of what they are saying. (But such is true in some regards for all of us.)Ephrem Antony Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032465992619034619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-31917437909274603102007-03-29T06:06:00.000-07:002007-03-29T06:06:00.000-07:00Big Possum noted "In other words, in the absence o...Big Possum noted "In other words, in the absence of hierarchy, demo-cracy will become exactly what the word implies, which is to say, tyranny of the horizontalized masses, or demo-crazies.", and said "Everything you say is true.....all pointing to the phenomenom of the "tyranny of the majority". "<BR/><BR/>In essentials I think it's less a tyranny of the majority, than a result of the Flattened. Taking root in the beginning of the 20th century, the progressives finally succeeded in their biggest inroad, the destruction of our Republican Government. They did so after decades of chatter about "democratic" values (Values the Founders, who had read history, knew to amount to Vice), they succeeded in passing the 17th amendment to have the senate elected by the people, rather than by elected legislators. <BR/><BR/>This succeeded in reducing the states to silly little podunk assemblies of little or no worth to national politics. It removed them from the hierarchy and tossed them upon the side table - flat as a board. It also took the chief elevating peg of our hierarchical form of Republican Government - the Senate was the Founders gem, a deliberative body, elected by the state legislators, those who being selected from the people as being the most able to govern, selected and elected the best that THEY could see to be the rational mind, the governor on the machine of government, keeping it to a steady and thoughtful pace. It was to be free of the constant politicking of campaigning for election, and free of being directly answerable to the passions of the people.<BR/><BR/>The Senate nowadays, with all its high-level responsibilities for reasoned action in regards to judges, etc, is nothing but congressmen with longer terms, subject to the pandering and appeasing necessary to those who must please the public perceptions all the time.<BR/><BR/>What we are left with is a slightly stalled democracy. But still that piece of paper, the constitution persists in thwarting the flattener’s ultimate goal of mob rule, or more to their purposes, demagogic rule.<BR/><BR/>Argh! I'm late... gotta run.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-49707389103707308082007-03-29T05:39:00.000-07:002007-03-29T05:39:00.000-07:00GrInteBeard said ..."Now Bob is interested in the ...GrInteBeard said ..."Now Bob is interested in the rate of the group return to God--you can tell because he preaches against or for blocs of peoples--"<BR/><BR/>You expose yourself in so many ways. Don't you feel a draft?Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-34885998996993064832007-03-29T04:09:00.000-07:002007-03-29T04:09:00.000-07:00Bob said:"Otherwise, the centrifugal riptide in wh...Bob said:<BR/>"Otherwise, the centrifugal riptide in which secular man stands soon leads to the following ideas: that "truth amounts to the belief of the majority," and therefore, that the majority for all intents and purposes creates the truth, which is one of the explicit assumptions of the left -- i.e., "perception is reality." <BR/><BR/>Especially when the majority bases it's "truth" on the deceptive reporting of the lame stream <BR/>me-dios.USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-54899705500770680562007-03-29T03:57:00.000-07:002007-03-29T03:57:00.000-07:00Bob said:"Truth is either "invented" or it is "dis...Bob said:<BR/>"Truth is either "invented" or it is "discovered." If invented, then it is not true. If discovered, then it is of God -- or at least underwritten by God, the Absolute."<BR/><BR/>Primo post Bob!USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1444873845429340572007-03-29T03:32:00.000-07:002007-03-29T03:32:00.000-07:00It is appropriate that these cosmic tyrants are ca...It is appropriate that these cosmic tyrants are called "Democrats," for democracy is a system of information flow that can lead to the higher or to the lower. In fact, it will inevitably lead to the lower if we do not acknowledge at the outset that there is a higher toward which democracy must orient itself. In other words, in the absence of hierarchy, demo-cracy will become exactly what the word implies, which is to say, tyranny of the horizontalized masses, or demo-crazies.<BR/><BR/>AND<BR/><BR/>Who's taking over? In point of fact, the crazies of the left are half correct, in that we are ultimately faced with the choice between democracy and theocracy. The American founders, in their infinite wisdom, chose theocracy, in the sense that the only legitimate purpose of democracy could be to preserve and protect the spiritual freedom of the theocentric individual. In short, they created a theocracy that would be mediated not from the top down -- which is never a real theocracy, but manarchy -- through thousands and now millions of godlings, or "divine centers." But a democracy mediated by mere animal-men will sooner or later lead to the Reign of the Beast.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Everything you say is true.....all pointing to the phenomenom of the "tyranny of the majority". Interestingly, the dangers you warn about are the same as second-tier (consciousness) Muslim scholars have warned and written about for years, and explain a lot about their hesitations about democracy. The problem they face is that most muslims are not of a consciousness to grasp the concept of rule from a divine center expressed through millions of "godlings".....as you say. To the contrary, the collective consciousness of that world cannot interpret the absolute truth of theocracy as any thing other than odedience to the Quran. So, when they hear their enlightened scholars express hesitancy re democracy, and insist on theocracy as the only way, they process it to say that the world must bow to Allah only, an interpretation coming from the same level as those who think everything would be right with the world if the U.S. Constitution was simply replicated throughout. "God realization" is a foreign concept to both groups, and so why one group is correct in insisting upon democracy and the other is correct in insiting upon theocracy, the consciousness at which the arguments are taking place sees these as mutually exclusive. Ergo, first-tier clash of civilizations who can actually come into alignment re their main sticking points if only a critical mass on both sides would wake the f up.<BR/><BR/>"Embedded" in many muslims' protests of democracy is an aversion to the reign of the same beast you and Petey have just called out.Big 'Possumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14646287143376549419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-82241830906933711772007-03-28T23:06:00.000-07:002007-03-28T23:06:00.000-07:00Nice rationalization Greybeard. Still a little li...Nice rationalization Greybeard. Still a little licentiousness left to explore?<BR/><BR/>you said:<BR/>"Now Bob is interested in the rate of the group return to God--you can tell because he preaches against or for blocs of peoples--and he wants the fastest possible rate."<BR/><BR/>I think Bob and others may just want to cut down on the suffering imposed in the world by leftists. He is not preaching for or against blocs of peoples but for or against certain IDEOLOGIES.<BR/><BR/>He also has stated countless times that spiritual advancement can't be rushed but that it can be assisted by a willing participant. And that certain political/cultural environments are more condusive to that advancement.<BR/><BR/>So feel free to "intoxicatedly ride the centrifugal waves to the periphery". This life, next life, ten thousand lives from now, what's to worry?<BR/>Though it is possible to enjoy existence and still "soberly partake of the centripetal return", the enjoyment partakes of a certain wholesome innocence which some people see as mundane.<BR/><BR/>What does your conscience tell you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-82381211564992609442007-03-28T23:04:00.000-07:002007-03-28T23:04:00.000-07:00"It is deleterious to the gravity," said Borat, re..."It is deleterious to the gravity," said Borat, refusing a second helping of reincarcake, again.<BR/><BR/>Q: "What shall be the rate of his personal return?"<BR/><BR/>A: Anything under 5.5% should be rotated out of one's cosmic portfolio at the end of each quarter. <BR/><BR/>Rhetorical Q: If reincarnation is unknowable, deleterious (I have to keep saying that word, it's so cool), immaterial, and moot, why waste time spinning your wheels?<BR/><BR/>A: Could you repeat the question? Could you repeat the question? Could you repeat the question?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-88230623145872822152007-03-28T22:10:00.000-07:002007-03-28T22:10:00.000-07:00Well, I agree with what raccoons have said about t...Well, I agree with what raccoons have said about the doctrine of reincarnation:<BR/><BR/>1. It is unknowable for the living.<BR/><BR/>2. It is deleterious to the gravity (seriousness) given to this life to believe in reincarnation.<BR/><BR/>3. Reincarnation is immaterial. A cup of the river Lethe is given to each soul, making the point moot. Each life might as well be a solitary go for all we remember.<BR/><BR/>Still: my prophet (who I will not name) maintains that a return to God is an assured matter for all men collectively and each soul individually.<BR/><BR/>Victory is assured, and I believe this.<BR/><BR/>Therefore, the only question left for old Greybeard is: what shall be the rate of his personal return? Shall he by yoga speed back to the Source? Or shall he remain blinded and deluded in the manifestation for longer (by turning away from the yoga) and so meander back to the Source? How to know which is desired?<BR/><BR/>Of course, one must ask the Source directly in prayer. <BR/><BR/>Now Bob is interested in the rate of the group return to God--you can tell because he preaches against or for blocs of peoples--and he wants the fastest possible rate. So I ask Bob: have you consulted the Source directly on this explicit question?<BR/><BR/>"Lord, do you desire our speedy return back to you? Do you want me to act on this desire?"<BR/><BR/>If yes, preach away. Disregard old Greybeard. You are on the right track.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-86832524496690181202007-03-28T21:51:00.000-07:002007-03-28T21:51:00.000-07:00That was not Dennis Miller.That was not Dennis Miller.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-41989305222409327562007-03-28T21:49:00.000-07:002007-03-28T21:49:00.000-07:00Nomo:Feck it till you mech it.Nomo:<BR/><BR/>Feck it till you mech it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-12782840239290453482007-03-28T21:45:00.000-07:002007-03-28T21:45:00.000-07:00Huh?Huh?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-67390128219672930392007-03-28T21:40:00.000-07:002007-03-28T21:40:00.000-07:00Beware! Nomo's ego channelling nomo's past lives.....Beware! Nomo's ego channelling nomo's past lives...<BR/><BR/>...Uh...is anybody home? <BR/><BR/>...Check...is the mic on? <BR/><BR/>...hello...?<BR/><BR/>....hell...?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-4628287239412344492007-03-28T21:31:00.000-07:002007-03-28T21:31:00.000-07:00Whoa! Bluebeard's wife channeling princessspirit!...Whoa! Bluebeard's wife channeling princessspirit! Beware the ides of March! Beware!NoMohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01100042056270224683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1395330508527522182007-03-28T21:28:00.000-07:002007-03-28T21:28:00.000-07:00JulieC - Very cool pic you have there today...but ...JulieC - Very cool pic you have there today...but where's the lamb?<BR/><BR/>I've got the best wv today:<BR/><BR/>gaaagm (fitting, what a hairball!)NoMohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01100042056270224683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-74423696038382789322007-03-28T21:21:00.000-07:002007-03-28T21:21:00.000-07:00I don't know whether we truly reincarnate or not, ...<I>I don't know whether we truly reincarnate or not, and the truth is virtually nobody living, if they are being honest, can say as a certainty that we do</I><BR/><BR/>It almost sounds like words I ... <I>A(heard) B(believed) C(was force-fed) D(understood without gnoing why)</I> about <I>(God) (Faith) (Belief) (Ego, if you're a young soul {jung sold})</I>! And it was just last lifetime...or was it <I>two</I> lifetimes ago...<BR/>I lose track, they all seem to run together, if you're working with a direct drive turntable rather than the belt-driven model.<BR/><BR/>Thank you juliec, nomo, rr, for spilling the garbage pail for this coon. It's a smorgasbord, and the juicy tidbits are heeereeeee!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-7520637656708718262007-03-28T21:15:00.000-07:002007-03-28T21:15:00.000-07:00doh! Meant Mizze... too much rhyming.wv:xakwryh ...doh! Meant Mizze... too much rhyming.<BR/><BR/>wv:xakwryh - exactly my pointVan Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-63565570190339905902007-03-28T20:58:00.000-07:002007-03-28T20:58:00.000-07:00Actually Van, I hadn't been there yet today. Thank...Actually Van, I hadn't been there yet today. Thanks for the heads up!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-82119261216626622532007-03-28T19:43:00.000-07:002007-03-28T19:43:00.000-07:00Smoov quoted Locke "Lastly, those are not at all t...Smoov quoted Locke "Lastly, those are not at all to be tolerated who deny the being of a God. Promises, covenants, and oaths, which are the bonds of human society, can have no hold upon an atheist."<BR/><BR/>So true, and what the Founders knew to be true, including the one Founder every athiest attempts to recast, Jefferson. The thought of centuries was well packed into Jefferson's brain, but few had more influence on his thought than John Locke.<BR/><BR/>What they knew, which is too far above our modern flat earthers, is that without a strong grasp of and commitment to the Vertical, there can be no honor, no commitment, no realization, grasp of, or adherence to Goodness, Truth and Beauty. And without that, no civility nor "the blessings of liberty" (for an example, see the recent doings in Portland that Ben posted on).Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-38276155500925447022007-03-28T19:31:00.000-07:002007-03-28T19:31:00.000-07:00Speaking of the Fascist Atheocracy of the Left, I ...Speaking of the Fascist Atheocracy of the Left, I know Ricky C & Juliec have, but if you haven't seen <A HREF="http://onecosmosatsea.blogspot.com/2007/03/what-i-worked-for-what-i-fought-for.html" REL="nofollow">USS Bens </A> post today, take a gander - comments too.<BR/><BR/>It's a goodun.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-396500986634212772007-03-28T19:28:00.000-07:002007-03-28T19:28:00.000-07:00joan of argghh! said... it all very well.joan of argghh! said... it all very well.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-66002618406859635262007-03-28T19:25:00.000-07:002007-03-28T19:25:00.000-07:00greybeard said "Some say the soul chooses its plac...greybeard said "Some say the soul chooses its place and time of birth with specific goals in mind."<BR/><BR/>Some do say that. Some say it's all a matter of fate, so don't bother to do anything that's not easy, do fight the system. <BR/><BR/>Actually what I think they say is "If Ala(peanutbutter-sandwichs)h wills it, it will be." What that got them was back to a state camel driving nomadic savagery, unable to rise above it without being parasites on the West.<BR/><BR/>Not a lot to recommend it, at least not in my eyes.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-60990777316043763962007-03-28T18:16:00.000-07:002007-03-28T18:16:00.000-07:00Debass said:“btw-the word "democracy" does not app...Debass said:<BR/>“btw-the word "democracy" does not appear in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution or the Pledge of Allegiance”.<BR/><BR/>I haven’t read these in a few days. Are you sure it hasn’t been penciled-in while we were busy working?<BR/>…remember those crafty pigs in Animal Farm.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.com