tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post1773640146089270745..comments2024-03-28T20:04:20.286-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: Dreaming of Reality from the Dark Side of the MoonGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-61943723209250303082007-09-16T10:55:00.000-07:002007-09-16T10:55:00.000-07:00But with your question, is either view really “dam...But with your question, is either view really “damaging to Christianity”? They can be damaging to public (meaning waffling, non or not-yet Christian) perceptions in a PR sort of way, and such things can be hindrances to it’s being spread, and they can add to individuals discomfort in publicly acknowledging belief in some settings(no one want others to think they'd seriously attempt to measure a degree of arc with a scale), but no, that’s not the same thing as damaging Christianity itself, again, perhaps another example of an inappropriate mixing of the horizontal and vertical elements.<BR/>[note to self: remember to scroll before cutting and pasting]Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-67609864200936956582007-09-16T10:51:00.000-07:002007-09-16T10:51:00.000-07:00“… that the world is made of language, of the word...“… that the world is made of language, of the word; and that our reduction of the richness of language to mere logical categories did violence to its creative potential for disclosing the nature of reality ….”<BR/><BR/>Do you ever suppose that the mathematical indifference of unfolding Nature is illusory artifact of Elohim’s empathetic, synchronous involvement with other perspectives and foci? That we measure byproduct of interrelating Elohim, not Elohim themselves?<BR/><BR/>Maybe that is why the only limits we find upon our degrees of freedom are precisely those limits that most agree with how we exist in present synchronicity. Artifactually, we have evolved in respect of our limits; spiritually, we have evolved in respect of our synchronicity.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps, indifference could not manifest into existence, except in respect of another side of our coin of existence --- being the field of Empathy.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps, Empathy perpetually strives to balance meaning, pleasure, and pain in respect of each perspective’s capacity for appreciation. But, artifactual indifference from distraction of focus leads to pockets of distortion.<BR/><BR/>We intuit and experience, but do not measure, the God Who is on call within ourselves. Why, then, should we expect to measure the Godliness that may exist in anyone else, or anywhere else?<BR/><BR/>In our realm, perhaps aspects of us are the Elohim. If so, what accounts for an illusion of indifferent nature that is presented to us? Perhaps, that illusion is artifactual of spiritually elsewhere interests of other Elohim.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-80787675911404337252007-09-16T10:40:00.000-07:002007-09-16T10:40:00.000-07:00Nomo said "I'm not sure how "young earth creationi...Nomo said "I'm not sure how "young earth creationism" is any more damaging to Christianity than the countless "crazy" things that fill the pages of the Bible."<BR/><BR/>I think the problem comes in, in just the same way as it does with the anti-theists; trying to apply spiritual knowledge as facts and figures, as the fundies do, or trying to validate spiritual knowledge on the basis of facts and figures, as the anti-theists do. <BR/><BR/>Forget the young earthers 6,000 years – there’s no need for such extravagance, Genesis’s six days of creation and rest on the seventh is a deep (Ivan Ivanovich) wealth of spiritual knowledge that will be difficult to fully mine over an entire lifetime. But as an example of Cosomological theory, it is pure and simple crazy talk.<BR/><BR/>Both the young earther’s and the anti-theists are Literalists, and both ARE examples of crazy talk, like trying to measure the degree of arc in a curve with a bathroom scale (no 'does this make my butt look big?' comments, please), they are inappropriate intersections of knowledge, they do not serve to integrate, but to disintegrate what you gno.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-88394110841625879392007-09-16T05:07:00.000-07:002007-09-16T05:07:00.000-07:00I like the idea of vertical and horizontal, but wh...I like the idea of vertical and horizontal, but what about the other two dimensions, depth and time?<BR/><BR/>Also, watching the crazies at the "Die In" waving thier signs and screaming at the cops, I wondered, are these the people who would sit down and talk with the Islamists so that "We can all just get along"?<BR/><BR/>Ivan IvanovichAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-63661633502560058272007-09-15T22:43:00.000-07:002007-09-15T22:43:00.000-07:00Smoov - Christianity can't be damaged by fundament...Smoov - Christianity can't be damaged by fundamentalists, leftists, intellectual elites, or all the powers of darkness for that matter. I'm not sure how "young earth creationism" is any more damaging to Christianity than the countless "crazy" things that fill the pages of the Bible. Unless of course you think you can have Christianity without the Bible. The gospel itself is crazy talk to anyone who doesn't believe.NoMohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01100042056270224683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-69010007926520100662007-09-15T17:06:00.000-07:002007-09-15T17:06:00.000-07:00Gagdad Bob said... Just to follow up with the Doc,...Gagdad Bob said... <BR/>Just to follow up with the Doc, he said that everything looked good, but that I did have a "somewhat tortuous colon."<BR/><BR/>Good butt...somewhat tortuous. <BR/><BR/>Hmmm...<BR/>Are you sure he wasn't a cryptoproctologist?<BR/><BR/>BTW, that would make a great title for a book, or a song.USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-26698625769520702632007-09-15T16:51:00.000-07:002007-09-15T16:51:00.000-07:00I'll second it too.Oh..! I said it!Ahh! I said it ...I'll second it too.<BR/>Oh..! I said it!<BR/><BR/>Ahh! I said it again!<BR/>There I went and said it again!<BR/>AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH<BR/><BR/>(sorry)Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-72654266241596616022007-09-15T16:25:00.000-07:002007-09-15T16:25:00.000-07:00Fundamentalists who insist on "young earth" creati...Fundamentalists who insist on "young earth" creationism and other forms of "horizontalization" have done more to damage Christianity in America than the Left.<BR/><BR/>There, I said it.Stephen Macdonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13474300559219020772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-84408137055814255462007-09-15T15:59:00.000-07:002007-09-15T15:59:00.000-07:00Thanks be to Bob for not showing us the widescreen...Thanks be to Bob for not showing us the widescreen edition of the procto-follies (the musical).<BR/><BR/>Although, for the truly hardcore, I understand the soundtrack is available...for a price.USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-85951296385239367122007-09-15T15:33:00.000-07:002007-09-15T15:33:00.000-07:00"...all of us do the same things with our lives, c..."...all of us do the same things with our lives, creating a coherent and linear narrative out of the chaos and randomness. We superimpose a "likely story" on the outward events..."<BR/><BR/>Knowing this is so (if we can remember in the heat of interaction with others), <I>changes</I> how we see people. I find I am still inclined to believe people's stories, taking them at face value. For awhile anyway. What's scary is when I believe my own!walthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01388218390016612051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-50645372935300635392007-09-15T14:56:00.000-07:002007-09-15T14:56:00.000-07:00[forgive me] Glad it all came out ok.[forgive me] Glad it all came out ok.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-62225935839093211732007-09-15T13:25:00.000-07:002007-09-15T13:25:00.000-07:00Bob, glad to hear it went ok.When you said this: “...Bob, glad to hear it went ok.<BR/><BR/>When you said this: <BR/><BR/>“Just to follow up with the Doc, he said that everything looked good, but that I did have a "somewhat tortuous colon."<BR/><BR/>I thought your punch line was going to be:<BR/><BR/>“You should have seen the other guy.”<BR/><BR/>The ‘guy’ being him of course :-)<BR/>You’re right, what an odd way to make a living.<BR/>It’s a dirty job, butt..<BR/>Thank God for them.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-30954951572992284782007-09-15T13:12:00.000-07:002007-09-15T13:12:00.000-07:00I was a teenage know-it all.Speaking of closed sys...I was a teenage know-it all.<BR/><BR/>Speaking of closed systems and finite worlds, I once lived in such a place. Or darned closed to it. Bob also, in a former life, if I understand what he’s written. The size of my formerly finite world may have been a great deal smaller than Bob’s, which can be easily proved on paper, but both were closed systems. Doesn’t matter how stubborn, I mean large your ass is, it’s still just an ass. Same for closed systems. In fact, the part that was being closed out, was the only one worth having, if you’re going to choose between the two and have a closed system, that is.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-77397151561737387842007-09-15T12:26:00.000-07:002007-09-15T12:26:00.000-07:00"Dark Side of the Moon"Dear lawd, oh no you di'int..."Dark Side of the Moon"<BR/><BR/>Dear lawd, oh no you di'int!<BR/><BR/>Bwahahaha!!!<BR/><BR/>Now to read the post. *ahem*Joan of Argghh!https://www.blogger.com/profile/14729682908266300507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-35576541553794477882007-09-15T11:57:00.000-07:002007-09-15T11:57:00.000-07:00Smoov said "...the opening paragraph induced a bon...Smoov said "...the opening paragraph induced a bona fide diet coke nasal disaster. "<BR/><BR/>At the risk of tempting fate, through long and messy and embarrassing experience, I think I've finally trained myself to avoid ISS (Involuntary Spastic Spewage), by only allowing food and drink to come near OC when re-reading a post, when the effects are much more controllable. <BR/><BR/>"Everyday Aristotelian logic is fine when applied to the horizontal, but if applied to the vertical, it will simply make a senseless and incoherent absurdity of it... ...But this tells us nothing about the vertical. For that we need an entirely different kind of logic, something like this: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Now first of all, don't be like our trolls or like religious fundamentalists who get stuck on stupid and attempt to understand this vertical statement in the horizontal sense. In fact, the very point of the statement is to let us know that from the cosmic get-go "there is the vertical (heaven) and the horizontal (earth)." "<BR/><BR/>Just wanted to see the two quotes together. It's probably going to take me 5 posts to finish saying that. However, I don't think I want to try to approach the speed or volume of Gagdad's output - especially now... not to pile on or anything.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-52039593753134532007-09-15T10:05:00.000-07:002007-09-15T10:05:00.000-07:00Just to follow up with the Doc, he said that every...Just to follow up with the Doc, he said that everything looked good, but that I did have a "somewhat tortuous colon." <BR/><BR/>I said "you should see some of my posts."Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-58909329959677802912007-09-15T10:03:00.000-07:002007-09-15T10:03:00.000-07:00Hey, it's in the coontract:"Circumnavelgazing the ...Hey, it's in the coontract:<BR/><BR/>"Circumnavelgazing the Whole Existentialada of Lumin Development with a Seer's Prattleogue of Joycey Jimgnostics"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-43646128192236046792007-09-15T09:54:00.000-07:002007-09-15T09:54:00.000-07:00Sometimes Bob-gags go right past me, but the subli...Sometimes Bob-gags go right past me, but the sublime ass-ininity in the opening paragraph induced a bona fide diet coke nasal disaster. <BR/><BR/>Can anyone else on the web--or anywhere for that matter--cruise so effortlessly through cosmological, metaphysical and psychological themes to end up with tight insight into the structure of Finnegan's Wake--all in the course of a single blog post?<BR/><BR/>I keep thinking: <I>more people should be reading this.</I> Where is everyone?<BR/><BR/>On a personal note, the feds have finally decreed that APIS (Advance Passenger Information) will soon become mandatory for general aviation flights within the US (i.e., not just international carriers). All FAA Part 91 and 135 pilots will have to comply.<BR/><BR/>There goes any hope of <I>my</I> vacation.Stephen Macdonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13474300559219020772noreply@blogger.com