tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post1541952044570274377..comments2024-03-27T11:16:36.951-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: What Can Be, What Can't Be, and What Must BeGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-66769995132957473212013-10-16T07:54:47.359-07:002013-10-16T07:54:47.359-07:00Well, interestingly, Hartshorne says that only pro...Well, interestingly, Hartshorne says that <i>only</i> process theology can deal with Job. No time to explain, since I'm working on a post. Plus I don't remember exactly what he said about it. Kind of skimmed over that part...<br /><br />Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-89106418267439427742013-10-16T07:51:08.912-07:002013-10-16T07:51:08.912-07:00Bob, how would these process folks answer Job?
...Bob, how would these process folks answer Job? <br /><br />Let's say God is actively engaged with creation and changes His mind now and then. Without Him actually talking to (for example) Noah, how would we know that He resolved never to drown the earth again in water?<br /><br />It may be that human knowledge of whatever "process" occurs internally in God would depend entirely on revelation. Or could we somehow infer the content of that internal process? How much of that inference would be human projection?<br /><br />This is all interesting, but I can't help but think sometimes that I have enough problems of my own! Some days I have trouble figuring out what my wife's "process" is, let alone God's.<br /><br />So yeah, Job. I'm feelin' Job-ish.Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00987042455512485699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-51364667954941740442013-10-15T16:21:21.514-07:002013-10-15T16:21:21.514-07:00Like Whitehead, be believes in a primordial God an...Like Whitehead, be believes in a primordial God and a "consequent God" who is influenced by his creation. I may be wrong, but I think it may be possible to reconcile this with the notion of the apophatic Godhead beyond form vs. the personal God of religious faith. Same God, of course. Just two sides. In a way like any other person with a conscious and "unconscious" side. "Unconscious," of course, is a terrible name for something as conscious as the unconscious! Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-30297362476751382682013-10-15T12:12:29.497-07:002013-10-15T12:12:29.497-07:00I wonder if Hartshorne had a teleology/eschatology...I wonder if Hartshorne had a teleology/eschatology as to whether he believed as God was influenced by the imminent, he was "evolving" with it or was God just changing. Process does not necessitate evolution (likeness) per say, but it can be just difference (a new image).tedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07354048695798015131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-17993529275379411302013-10-15T12:06:42.335-07:002013-10-15T12:06:42.335-07:00If we are made in the image and likeness of God (E...If we are made in the image and likeness of God (Elohim said, "Let <i>us</i> make man ...") then communication and relationship is part of who God is. The God of the Bible is very different than a buttoned-down deity like Allah. <br /><br />It was eschatology, I think, that first pushed me in a different direction -- all the people who seemed to have all the answers and would cut God down to fit in their hermeneutic bed. As I would study, I kept hearing over and over, "It's not going to be what you expect." <br /><br />The comparison was to how the religious leadership completely missed who Jesus was because they were locked into a view of an earthly kingdom.mushroomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07651027035577798096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-89223231692729018642013-10-15T11:55:28.230-07:002013-10-15T11:55:28.230-07:00Schuon is the Batman of philosophers, and that one...Schuon is the Batman of philosophers, and that one picture makes me wonder if he had a daughter named Carrie.mushroomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07651027035577798096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-288670817084272102013-10-15T10:05:53.722-07:002013-10-15T10:05:53.722-07:00The Greeks tried to conceive of something "su...<i>The Greeks tried to conceive of something "superior" to love, in positing a divine reality that is wholly closed off to influence -- like the stoic philosopher writ large. </i><br /><br />Yes; perhaps it is this that has always kept me from being much interested in Greek philosophy. Not only the idea of something that could be superior to love (as if!), but simply the cold remove of the ideal from the reality of ordinary existence. On the one hand, it's a useful abstraction for thinking about certain concepts, but on the other it bears within itself the seeds of Father Stephen's "Two Storey universe" - that is, the places where people tend to think of God as being "contained," which exist (in the mind) apart from the secular world. In reality, the secular world is no more apart from God than Earth is apart from the Sun.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-59418754586636070442013-10-15T09:52:41.029-07:002013-10-15T09:52:41.029-07:00(D'oh! I should have finished reading the post...(D'oh! I should have finished reading the post before commenting...)juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-26346459757964776952013-10-15T09:51:18.804-07:002013-10-15T09:51:18.804-07:00This is self-evident, and yet, if God is immutable...<i>This is self-evident, and yet, if God is immutable, then he cannot be our "friend." But aren't there scriptural passages that explicitly reference friendship with Jesus or the Holy Spirit? </i><br /><br />I would add only that an immutable God would also be incapable of play, humor, or surprise. Perhaps I'm wrong, but an immutable God strikes me as one that would have all the creativity and vivacity of a rock.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.com