tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post116593983389919901..comments2024-03-27T11:16:36.951-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: Just One Thing I'd Like to Know, How You Stay High, and Live So Low*Gagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1166257073793939032006-12-16T00:17:00.000-08:002006-12-16T00:17:00.000-08:00RIVER C: Excellent corrective point, spelled out i...RIVER C: Excellent corrective point, spelled out in detail about the spectrum from Worldcentric to TheoCentric! I was wondering when/if anyone would speak up to refute the 1/2butt spectrum given as "truth" - nice stroke of genius! Keep up your Sword Practice!<BR/><BR/>- P2 -PSYCHO_PRINCESShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10110773641485604946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1166058118112678272006-12-13T17:01:00.000-08:002006-12-13T17:01:00.000-08:00"If there is real trouble in the world, who does t..."If there is real trouble in the world, who does the world turn to? China? Russia? France? Germany? "<BR/><BR/>The thing about being a "world policeman" is that while it's a rotten job, somebody has to do it - for once, I say that without sarcasm.<BR/><BR/>Look at things on a small scale. Take away policemen from any big city. Result? (You don't wanna know.) I believe the same is true on a world scale. What holds many countries in check is the realization that bigger countries will do something about it if they get out of line. (I suppose that was one of the things the League of Nations and the UN were supposed to accomplish, but both have fallen by the wayside.)<BR/><BR/>We're one of the few with the will and the means - and we use both perhaps a bit too sparingly. And these days, the will is being sapped by the constant barrage from the MSM.MikeZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13856948417775902893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1166022847547957342006-12-13T07:14:00.000-08:002006-12-13T07:14:00.000-08:00Will, Let's call it "the Spirit of Vatican II" ins...Will, <BR/>Let's call it "the Spirit of Vatican II" instead - the willful distortion of what the Council actually said by the agenda-driven.<BR/><BR/>Pendulum's swinging back - and if we read, say, Belloc's first chapter in "How the Reformation Happened" the whole cycle is just BAU.<BR/><BR/>Reject the actual Council and you get the Gibsons on one hand and a long list of 'progressive' loonies on the other.<BR/><BR/>But an excellent point, all the same. Beat does go on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1166010892756250852006-12-13T03:54:00.000-08:002006-12-13T03:54:00.000-08:00Bob said-"There are only two parts of Europe:The p...Bob said-<BR/>"There are only two parts of Europe:<BR/>The part whose ass we kicked; and the part whose ass we saved. Repeatedly."<BR/><BR/>Another instant classic!<BR/><BR/>Bob gets to the heart of the matter.<BR/> <BR/>No "nuance" or politically correct<BR/>layers of nonsensical revisionist history here.<BR/><BR/>One of the many reasons I read Bob's delicious and fresh-baked blog,<BR/>with the flaky crust and nutritious truth filling.<BR/><BR/>Not enough <BR/>trans-bats to harm your health.<BR/><BR/>This is soul soup for the soul. <BR/><BR/>No artificial (or arbitrary) colors.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1166005751834783922006-12-13T02:29:00.000-08:002006-12-13T02:29:00.000-08:00If it were me, I would assign pink to the radical ...If it were me, I would assign pink to the radical Muslims.<BR/><BR/>Just to piss 'em off! Heh!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1166005539199472892006-12-13T02:25:00.000-08:002006-12-13T02:25:00.000-08:00Teal? What kind of color is 'teal'?Is that like a ...Teal? What kind of color is 'teal'?<BR/><BR/>Is that like a requirement to get on Oprah or something?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165984917005485632006-12-12T20:41:00.000-08:002006-12-12T20:41:00.000-08:00I think a problem with the Integral/Spiral Dynamic...I think a problem with the Integral/Spiral Dynamics color model is that it conflates too many different aspects of human development into one. If they had stopped at "first I thought about myself, then my family, then my tribe, then my country, then the world", that would have been well enough. But they (he) added other factors that are really a regression at points along the "rainbow".<BR/><BR/>Great comments today, btw.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165983864348029112006-12-12T20:24:00.000-08:002006-12-12T20:24:00.000-08:00Bob wrote: Rather, as a psychoanalytically informe...Bob wrote: Rather, as a psychoanalytically informed psychologist, it seems self-evident to me that what actually occurred was a previously unforeseen level of character pathology, specifically, narcissism.<BR/><BR/>Gads, the pre/trans fallacy has surfaces yet again!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165977138925655352006-12-12T18:32:00.000-08:002006-12-12T18:32:00.000-08:00...and hoarhey/van/luke are settin' 'em up and kno......and hoarhey/van/luke are settin' 'em up and knockin' 'em down!<BR/><BR/>Its a good day. All is right with the world.NoMohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01100042056270224683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165976664904491692006-12-12T18:24:00.000-08:002006-12-12T18:24:00.000-08:00Van didst speaketh..[In what way does adding yet a...Van didst speaketh..<BR/><BR/>[In what way does adding yet another layer of neologistic terminology (not to mention color-coding(!)) help understanding the principles involved, and speed their understanding, spread and adoption world wide?]<BR/><BR/>Absolutely! Page Dr. Occam!<BR/><BR/>This reminds me of Transactional Analysis in the 1970s. (Of which, unfortunately, I was intimately involved beyond my control at the time).<BR/><BR/>Lots of nice chart models and graphical representations. This turned into attempts at being fascinated by the permutations of the models laid upon one another.<BR/><BR/>Snore. Oh, wait! That should have been, "oooo, ahhhh, cosmic!"<BR/><BR/>Decidedly confusing the symbols for the referents, wasting all kinds of time looking for "signs" in the tea leaves, or was that chicken guts?<BR/><BR/>-LukeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165973124127423332006-12-12T17:25:00.000-08:002006-12-12T17:25:00.000-08:00WH said... "When we talk about integral politics, ...WH said... "When we talk about integral politics, we are talking about taking the best of classical liberalism and the best of classical conservatism and forming a new way. An integral politics will value all human life so much that it will wage just wars to protect human dignity and human rights from those who would oppress others. And it will do so in the most humane ways available."<BR/><BR/>What of this would not be accomplished simply by recognizing (at the uncorrupted Founders era understanding) Individual Rights, establishing a constitution ala the US Constitution that will defend them internally with objective law, and externally with like minded allies?<BR/><BR/>In what way does adding yet another layer of neologistic terminology (not to mention color-coding(!)) help understanding the principles involved, and speed their understanding, spread and adoption world wide? <BR/><BR/>With an adoption of Occam's Razor, I think that if your goal is wisdom and understanding, then the simplest methods and explanations should take precedence over gratuitous embellishments.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165972872302959622006-12-12T17:21:00.000-08:002006-12-12T17:21:00.000-08:00Ken? Is that you? :)Ken? Is that you? :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165972449243697512006-12-12T17:14:00.000-08:002006-12-12T17:14:00.000-08:00There are plenty of people from those cultures tha...There are plenty of people from those cultures that you look down your nose at as being underdeveloped who see those values and plenty of them who have moved to the U.S. precisely because of that recognition and the desire to live them. There are also others who, when given the chance or the opportunity, will and have thrown off the yoke of tyranny in their own countries and put those values into practice. i.e. Eastern Europe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165972028298302112006-12-12T17:07:00.000-08:002006-12-12T17:07:00.000-08:00They're available right now to those intelligent e...They're available right now to those intelligent enough to recognize them, asshole.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165967881707537322006-12-12T15:58:00.000-08:002006-12-12T15:58:00.000-08:00You said: "Classical liberal values are not "ethno...You said: "Classical liberal values are not "ethno-centered", they are universal, available to all ethnicities"<BR/><BR/>Are you joking? They're available to Islamists????? To primitive tribal cultures??????<BR/><BR/>STOP DENYING THE OBVIOUS TRUTH THAT THESE HIGHER VALUES ARE ONLY AVAILABLE ONCE A CERTAIN STAGE OF PSYCHO-CULTURAL EVOLUTION HAS BEEN ATTIANED.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165965946321872472006-12-12T15:25:00.000-08:002006-12-12T15:25:00.000-08:00When you add entropy to the horizontal equation, d...When you add entropy to the horizontal equation, doesn't it become a descent?NotClauswitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14358707844087117280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165965411643914342006-12-12T15:16:00.000-08:002006-12-12T15:16:00.000-08:00Yes, the line about Europe was priceless. And so t...Yes, the line about Europe was priceless. And so true!<BR/><BR/>Reminds me of the line Paul Newman said (as Leslie Groves) in Fat Man and Little Boy...<BR/><BR/>"Its all about ass isn't it? You either kick it or lick it!"<BR/><BR/>-LukeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165964571074292862006-12-12T15:02:00.000-08:002006-12-12T15:02:00.000-08:00>>"For example, in the Middle Ages, classical libe...>>"For example, in the Middle Ages, classical liberal enlightenment values were only available to individuals. The were "ego-centered." With the rise of America, these values were now available to an entire group of people. They were now "ethno-centered." And the "Green" worldview trys to make these values "world-centered.""<<<BR/><BR/>Classical liberal values are not "ethno-centered", they are universal, available to all ethnicities and are being shared by all in the U.S. Just because they were codified by white Europeans has nothing to do with which ethnicities can benefit from them. They are in line with and stem from universal cause and effect principles, envisioned by deeply spiritual people who knew human nature inside and out.<BR/>Unfortunately, the "enlightened Greens" haven't a clue as to what those values are and how they interact. They have, through deconstruction, effectively reduced them to the obsolete handy work of oppressive, white, religious, racist males. <BR/>The epiphany of the genius behind these principles hasn't occured yet to these neo-marxists (greens) so discussion of the principles seems as a strict father lecturing a teenager about life. <BR/>We, as a nation had better realize that this system is as good as it gets for now because if we don't and if we keep following the "enlightened Greens" down their primrose path of watering things down and looking to every failed, failing, corrupted, socialist nation or group (U.N., Europe etc.) for the answers, it's going to get very dark indeed. <BR/>What makes Bob so effective is that he is overcoming peoples conditioned, knee jerk aversion to "oppressive" religion by explaining the Cosmos from not only a religious perspective but also many other more secular angles. In showing that psychological, scientific, ethnic, evolutionary, religious, and other worldviews need not be at odds but can be integral in a persons worldview, it enables one to evolve beyond a specific, exclusive "camp" and into the greater whole and Liberty. Though once a person has made the leap into understanding, discernment will show that true religion needs to be at the top of that worldview. (You'll notice I said TRUE religion, a healthy discernment will reveal that truth) <BR/>Hmmm, sounds oppressive and patriachal to the uninitiated doesn't it?<BR/>I seem to remember a few old white-amber honkies suggesting a similar experiment about 230 years ago.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165961570888124672006-12-12T14:12:00.000-08:002006-12-12T14:12:00.000-08:00Will,I agree with what you say, but I would say th...Will,<BR/>I agree with what you say, but I would say that a number of counter-culture types, certainly not the majority, but a significant number found their homes within Orthodox Christianity, Schuon's sufism, and Tibetan Buddhism via Chogyam Trunpa, not to mention Zen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165959736770510072006-12-12T13:42:00.000-08:002006-12-12T13:42:00.000-08:00van -- Safety message of the day...never sip befor...van -- Safety message of the day...never sip before you sup.NoMohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01100042056270224683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165959203897054912006-12-12T13:33:00.000-08:002006-12-12T13:33:00.000-08:00I find myself wondering if it would be possible to...I find myself wondering if it would be possible to be multi-colored, and go vertical and horizontal at the same time--<BR/><BR/>Loving and seeking God, forgiving yet sternly correcting the deluded, working on beautifying the interior and exterior, recognizing that some values are true and some not--<BR/><BR/>And at the same time, embracing a global viewpoint, getting deeply green about the environment, identifying with and enjoying multi-cultures, getting deeply into one's own hippy-dippy groove, going all rainbow and squishy...indulging in sloppy unqualified soul love--<BR/><BR/>Can it be done? A godly hippy? A radical with true values? An artist who can happily go to war?<BR/>A person of many facets with an unerring ability to do no evil?<BR/><BR/>A soldier of God who goes vertical, stretches out horizontally, who wraps the robes of left and right around her centralizing waist and synthesizes all?<BR/><BR/>A scientist-priest, a techno- shaman... such beings should be possible.<BR/><BR/>Amber, teal, green all smeared together and soaring outward and upward like the shockwave of the bigbang itself...<BR/><BR/>It should be possible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165956423435752892006-12-12T12:47:00.000-08:002006-12-12T12:47:00.000-08:00Once again I find the need here at One Cosmos, to ...Once again I find the need here at One Cosmos, to address a public safety issue. I know others bobbleheads, USS Ben & others, have been afflicted by this hazard, which I'm sorry to say, Gagdad Bob is directly responsible for. Today I had noe of those recently rare moments of a couple of minutes down time at work & naturally filled my coffee mug and surfed over to One Cosmos, to make the best of my freedom. As I innocently perused todays posting, I was suddenly & ficiously assaulted with hydraulic-nasal passage-powerwashingitis because of Gagdad's casual and criminally negligent usage of the following comment:<BR/><BR/>" There are only two parts of Europe: the part whose ass we kicked; and the part whose ass we saved. Repeatedly"<BR/><BR/>Yes, my dual 17" flat panel monitors were immediately and unmercifully sprayed with a large gulp of coffee under severe comedic pressure straight through the 'ol nasal passages.<BR/><BR/>A mess. And a particularly LOUD mess, which naturally, and embarrassingly brought the attention of several co-workers.<BR/><BR/>There ought to be a law.<BR/><BR/>Sheesh.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165956333871244952006-12-12T12:45:00.000-08:002006-12-12T12:45:00.000-08:00if Wilber's choice of color schemeswas "arbitrary"...if Wilber's choice of color schemes<BR/>was "arbitrary".... it would seem he could not have made a more unfortunate choice regarding his naming of the "Green" level...given the proclivities to narcissism of a good deal of his audience.<BR/><BR/>one could even speculate he's<BR/>ended up glorifying the <BR/>"mean green meme" in the process.gumshoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10567181585153569751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165956229813893822006-12-12T12:43:00.000-08:002006-12-12T12:43:00.000-08:00Thanks for clearing that up Joan. Saw the Arrggh(C...Thanks for clearing that up Joan. Saw the Arrggh(Castle of) on a list of first time links. Natural inclination would be to think there was some connectivity, no? Apologies if the Argghh thingy is a sensitive subject, considering.<BR/><BR/>Been to Rouen? Interesting experience, standing on the origin of the Arrggh. Tad creepy, little overwhelming - in a good overwhelmingly creepy way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165954204137558532006-12-12T12:10:00.000-08:002006-12-12T12:10:00.000-08:00united colorsguinness pours a perfect brownlift a ...united colors<BR/>guinness pours a perfect brown<BR/>lift a pint and sing!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com