tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post116559607869208592..comments2024-03-28T12:10:26.197-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: Thy Wilber DoneGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-10681124815265074142017-12-04T05:04:57.306-08:002017-12-04T05:04:57.306-08:00Great informative site. I’m really impressed after...Great informative site. I’m really impressed after reading this blog post. I really appreciate the time<br /><a href="https://sweatingtulipzwithstacy.wordpress.com/2017/10/04/kamar-set" rel="nofollow">kamar set</a><br /><a href="https://falliblyneuroticfashion.wordpress.com/2017/08/10/kamar-set-minimalis-modern-jepara" rel="nofollow">kamar set minimalis modern</a><br /><a href="https://memoirsofthegirls.wordpress.com/2017/09/15/kursi-tamu-mewah-jati-berkualitas/" rel="nofollow">kursi tamu ukiran jepara</a><br /><a href="https://musthavewine.wordpress.com/2017/07/06/set-kamar-tidur-mewah-terbaru/" rel="nofollow">kamar set ukiran jepara</a><br /><a href="https://sweatingtulipzwithstacy.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">furniture jepara murah</a><br /><a href="https://getfitwithkevin.wordpress.com/2017/08/28/kursi-tamu-mewah-ukiran-jepara-terbaru/" rel="nofollow">kursi tamu klasik mewah</a><br /><a href="https://sweatingtulipzwithstacy.wordpress.com/2017/09/26/meja-makan-minimalis-jepara/" rel="nofollow">meja makan minimalis</a><br /><a href="https://jatipribumi.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">mebel jepara murah</a><br /><a href="https://www.beverlyhomedecor.com/kamar-set-klasik-model-ukiran/" rel="nofollow">kamar set klasik</a><br /><br />+++++furniture jeparahttp://www.jatipribumi.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165879572910707522006-12-11T15:26:00.000-08:002006-12-11T15:26:00.000-08:00About what liberals and conservatives believe abou...About what liberals and conservatives believe about Man: I agree with most of you who say that liberals believe people are good, but they just don't act that way. They seem to believe that people can only be made good (or better) through the untiring efforts of Leading Liberals, who want to pass ever more restrictive laws ("don't smoke anywhere in the Pacific Ocean") to force everyone into compliance with their notion of "the Good".<BR/> <BR/>Conservatives (I thnk) realize that people are flawed, but that they can make themselves better by adhering to a moral code, which is presented but not necessarily imposed.<BR/><BR/>(That's essentially what "anonymous said".)<BR/><BR/>And Luke points up a problem with "We teach kids that they are their own reference system, that what they decide or feel is right, there are no absolute truths." = moral relativism.<BR/><BR/>Can someone come up with the Moral Law by himself? (Assuming there is but one.) That is, if he isn't Socrates or Jesus?<BR/><BR/>Maybe that's why Man is a tribal animal ("social animal", as Aristotle put it) - so he can learn from others.<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, if all you learn from are Ivy League professors, what's the point?<BR/><BR/>Luke also raises a grand old problem (with the gender-imposed chicks). Maybe it's related to the "nature v. nurture" problem. But: with so much of behavior being dependent on brain chemistry (and brain structure - remember the famous case of Phineas Gage?). We treat disorders today that would have appeared "spiritual" (I leave it to Bob to say whether that's really the case) with lithium, with Zoloft, &c, &c. Some years down the track, we may be able to treat atheism with a drug - or Christianity. In Soviet Russia, as I remember, they treated nonconformity with drugs - and other forms of more or less unpleasant behavior modification.<BR/><BR/>As an aside, I heartily congratulate Dr Bob on his decision to cut back to 5 days/week. That will mean that I only get behind about 10 days/week, rather than 15.MikeZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13856948417775902893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165859767431169712006-12-11T09:56:00.000-08:002006-12-11T09:56:00.000-08:00Oops. The URL was cut off. Here is a smaller one...Oops. The URL was cut off. Here is a smaller one:<BR/>http://tinyurl.com/tv5nw<BR/><BR/>AeryckAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165859656636763962006-12-11T09:54:00.000-08:002006-12-11T09:54:00.000-08:00I did a bit of thinking on this whole issue a whil...I did a bit of thinking on this whole issue a while back, and especially the idea of which political viewpoint sees humans as good vs. evil. What I ended up with is a developmental model. It's too much to reproduce here in comments, but I'll give a link for anyone interested. It's very much influenced by Ken Wilber's work too, so it's sort of on point for this post.<BR/><BR/>http://integralvalley.typepad.com/blog/2006/03/liberal_and_con.html<BR/><BR/>AeryckAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165840724024576722006-12-11T04:38:00.000-08:002006-12-11T04:38:00.000-08:00A response to Alan's reservations about Wilber.Mos...A response to Alan's reservations about Wilber.<BR/><BR/>Most importantly: being a Christian does not relegate you to the egocentric powergod stage of development, or the authoritarian, mythic order stage. All the major world religions manifest along the whole vertical axis of development. So that, using the annoying color scheme, there can be Blue Christians, Green Christians, and all the way up to Violet or whatever the current highest color in KW's scheme might be. The same is true for Judaism, Buddhism (if you want to see a "Red" Buddhist, check out the Indians who worship statues as manifestations of actual gods -- this is the powergod stage), and other religions.<BR/><BR/>As far as the quadrants lacking verticality -- if you could look at the quadrant model from the side instead of from the top, you would see something that resembles a spiral, with smaller and more limited/limiting stages at the bottom and wider more inclusive stages at the top.<BR/><BR/>On praxis -- Wilber is a practicing Buddhist and has been for many years. He has always advocated some form of meditation as the praxis aspect of his model, whether that is Buddhist meditation (like Zen), Christian prayer, Sufism, and so on. His contention is that all of the world's religions have at their core a technology of transcendence that can lead us to higher, purer states of consciousness -- we simply need to adopt one and stick with it.<BR/><BR/>Further, he has developed what they call Integral Life Practice (or the ILP Kit) which presents a variety of practices for body, mind, spirit, and shadow work. The synergistic approach seems to accelerate development. This is nothing more than a repackaging and expansion of Leonard & Murphy's Integral Transformative Practice.<BR/><BR/>As for the elitism issue -- there is a certain element of this as of late in the KW and Integral Institute world. While many of us who study integral theory find it disturbing, it seems to be a part of the marketing ploy. Too bad, it turns off a lot of people.<BR/><BR/>Peace,<BR/>Billwilliam harrymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06981478282688361274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165762885507430982006-12-10T07:01:00.000-08:002006-12-10T07:01:00.000-08:00Diabetes is genetically determined? Surely emotion...Diabetes is genetically determined? Surely emotion and stress play a part -in raising the blood sugar levels...?<BR/><BR/>Do liberals hate mankind? "Sartyr said: "Hell is other people"...niconoclasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11346612911422614130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165722640742631012006-12-09T19:50:00.000-08:002006-12-09T19:50:00.000-08:00Whew, almost caught up (pant, pant, pant). Did you...Whew, almost caught up (pant, pant, pant). Did you know that 4 days of One Cosmos posts & comments at barely viewable font size, double columned, fills up 46 pages front & back? <BR/><BR/>Pound for pound the best and most effective exercise workout available.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165721740536927202006-12-09T19:35:00.000-08:002006-12-09T19:35:00.000-08:00Regarding Wilber, I tend to agree with GeorgeD, th...Regarding Wilber, I tend to agree with GeorgeD, the guy doesn’t do anything for me. I’m sure the news will crush him. I can’t say I’ve read enough to offer any substantial criticism of his thought, but such seeming reliance on color coding, and quadrants and other classification gimmicks – it just smacks of listicism to me, the tendency to attempt to substitute lists of steps to perform or adhere to, for clear thought and action. I may be completely wrong about him – but I just can’t get past his front door.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165721289391004012006-12-09T19:28:00.000-08:002006-12-09T19:28:00.000-08:00NoMo,I am compelled to say “As of some one gently ...NoMo,<BR/>I am compelled to say “As of some one gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door.<BR/>"'Tis some visiter," I muttered, "tapping at my chamber door--<BR/> Only this and nothing more."<BR/>;-)<BR/><BR/>Joan! Do you forgive me for my editing blunder the other day? If not, I will be compelled to Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore."<BR/><BR/>(I’m not sure either, but it seemed to flow with NoMo’s tweak)Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165720350642303932006-12-09T19:12:00.000-08:002006-12-09T19:12:00.000-08:00GLASR said... “When you roll out, similar to the d...GLASR said... “When you roll out, similar to the day you were born, you know everything. The ensuing input forces out, blunts, obfuscates, negates, alters - pick a descriptor - all that you know…”<BR/><BR/>I think you confuse a lack of corruption with a wealth of knowledge – while the former is desirable, without the later it is meaningless.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165720172269358262006-12-09T19:09:00.000-08:002006-12-09T19:09:00.000-08:00Gagdad said…"But I think there’s an even deeper di...Gagdad said…"But I think there’s an even deeper divide between Left and Right than the question of “Why do people suffer.... Contemporary liberals -- which is to say leftists -- believe that people are basically good, from which follows all sorts of disastrous, unworkable, and self-defeating policies. You will note that the classical liberals (i.e., contemporary conservatives) who founded America were quite jaded -- not to mention sophisticated -- about human nature...Our founders knew that human beings were neutral at best, constantly tempted by bad and evil choices. "<BR/><BR/>Thomas Sowell termed the divide in his Conflict of Visions as the opposition of the Constrained and Unconstrained visions. The Constrained view, which conservatives tend towards, is that people's essential character is for the most part fixed, and can't be meaningfully changed by doing 'things', while the Unconstrained view, which draws the left, thinks that humanity can be improved from without by the application of external 'things'.<BR/><BR/>"...Obviously, human beings are capable of great heights of goodness, but it goes without saying that they are also quite capable of the depths of savagery, barbarism and depravity. This is because classical liberals believe that human beings possess free will, while contemporary leftist liberals are much more likely to believe that people are like machines whose behavior is determined by external forces..."<BR/><BR/>And you know that that right there nails it for me, right there is the nutshell of contemporary leftie liberalism! The left believes that Free Will is a fraud and that we are all just the results of external forces that determine our characters, fortunes, happiness, etc. <BR/><BR/>River Cocytus said... "I think that the contemporary liberal wants to believe, at least at some point, that people are naturally good. (Return to the primitive?)"<BR/><BR/>I think that what lefties want to believe is that people are fixable, but only by their (lefties) efforts, which enables them to be feel as though they would be ‘fixed’, ennobled, made more admirable – at least in the eyes of others.<BR/><BR/>But what they really seek to believe is that everyone can just “L-i-v-e” free from effort and freeee from the necessity of THOUGHT – the kind of thought that requires respect for, and conformity to Truth and Reality – that kind of thought fills them with dread and anger (see Rousseau for starters).<BR/><BR/> The kind of thought that requires only running their little hamster cage minds through their familiar circular paths – that kind of thought, the kind of thought that allows them to assert what reality is (amazingly conformable to their whims, as it turns out), that kind of thought they’ll happily indulge in all day long.<BR/><BR/>As Luke Blogwalker pointed out the other day, the early flaming red lefties made a conscious and concerted effort to ridicule any thought of God, Truth or Religion in public, in an attempt to disarm their conservative critics. But they primarily targeted those thoughts, not because they they were True or False, but because they were standards that would hold up their thoughts to the necessity of adhering to the standards of Truth and Falsehood. It was a tactic they set up for dealing with all ideas deemed dangerous to their designs, and which they are still trying to squeeze additional mileage from to this day. Beware the snicker (Bill Maher anyone?) it can be deadlier than an IED – it makes them possible.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165686023712527882006-12-09T09:40:00.000-08:002006-12-09T09:40:00.000-08:00Nomo,Minimalists are more than they seem.Nomo,<BR/><BR/>Minimalists are more than they seem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165679176116166512006-12-09T07:46:00.000-08:002006-12-09T07:46:00.000-08:00river c: I'll have to say, I don't know. Alway...river c: <BR/><BR/> I'll have to say, I don't know. Always likened that sense to the far end of the result. Someone close to you dies, few weeks later you dream(?) about them. Put those two together with(and I'm not sure what they're called)you know you die and then come or are brought back, near death experience(?). Can I verbalize it? No. It's real though. Appreciate the other thinking explanation, was very careful to assume or attempt to assume the connectivity. I know more now, no movement in the pile(my knowing one) though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165678767931424932006-12-09T07:39:00.000-08:002006-12-09T07:39:00.000-08:00joan - What can I say? I'm working to minimize.joan - What can I say? I'm working to minimize.NoMohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01100042056270224683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165678032982048772006-12-09T07:27:00.000-08:002006-12-09T07:27:00.000-08:00Went something like, what/all that distinguishes c...Went something like, what/all that distinguishes civilized man from the noble savage is evil, no? The roots of the intellectually deficient left, their insulated "leaders". We willingly turned over the reigns to them, to take a beating now, so we can regroup and deliver a more severe beating later? Move this from the election to the GWOT. Thankfully, we see movement in many politicians away from their original "get me elected" position . It's one thing to be the target of vertical disturbances like higher taxes, gasoline prices, more social engineering, restrictive infringing laws quite another to open a jihadistan battle(I'm talking the 4GW kind) front on American soil. If you've ever seen smoking black holes other than in film or on TV, well, I'll sanitize it for you, that resulting horizontal disturbance is rather ugly, be they in tera, metal or flesh. The outcome, the future, will be one of our own free will based on the roots of our thinking. Quite a contrast. Shrink the left for a better world.<BR/><BR/>Does this post pass the "test" Dr. Godwin? Less layers, verbiage contortion, readily understandable(if there is such a thing), may not get a "Huh? Explain.", curiosity driven(I hope they're not insulting, eww, painful)response/reaction.If you're not extremely generous with credit, well, uh, um, your the guy supposed to be doing the blogging, no?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165674485089375042006-12-09T06:28:00.000-08:002006-12-09T06:28:00.000-08:00nomo, that's twice in one thread. Your compulsion ...nomo, that's twice in one thread. Your compulsion is becoming obsessive.<BR/><BR/>:^)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165650800291915562006-12-08T23:53:00.000-08:002006-12-08T23:53:00.000-08:00smoov,You might be interested in reading something...smoov,<BR/><BR/>You might be interested in reading something I mentioned a couple days ago. Well, that is if you have not already done so.<BR/><BR/>"The Black Book of Communism"<BR/><BR/>-Which the French Communists tried to ban in Europe. It quite plainly lays out the evidence that Communism is murderous. Moreso than anything to date.<BR/><BR/>That book makes the valid point that we often think of Adolf Hitler and his band of merry men, as the main evil deathmasters of the 20th Century. In fact is is Communism that holds this "honor."<BR/><BR/>I remember in High School looking in the Guiness Book of World Records for Mass Murder.<BR/><BR/>Before it got to serial killer types, it had...<BR/><BR/>China, Russia, (or was that Russia and then China? I don't recall for certain) and Nazi Germany a paltry third place, with hardly double digit millions to its credit.<BR/><BR/>Khmer Rouge. Yeah. I've worked with a few Cambodians who have told me stories about entire families that no longer exist.<BR/><BR/>Then there was my Cambodian coworker, Ty, who came across stoic or unable to speak English, until he knew you. <BR/><BR/>He looked like the quintessential southeast asian war fighter. A few lines of age on his face.<BR/><BR/>He would talk seriously about things out back after work. The younger set at work (all liberals) was not quite sure how to take this. Many were not even born during the Viet Nam War. <BR/><BR/>Catching their general lack of "education", a gleam would come into his eyes -well, for those of us who knew what to look for. He'd quickly hop onto a stereotype before departing for the weekend.<BR/><BR/>With all seriousness on his face, "Well guys, I have to go home and get the dog ready for dinner." <BR/><BR/>Those of us that knew him waited for such moments just to see the reactions on the new initiates to his presence!<BR/><BR/>If anyone took the bait, sometimes he would discuss recipes until we all broke out laughing.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, you said..<BR/> <BR/>[The most extreme adherents espouse a doctrine which endorses the elimination of mankind from the planet entirely.]<BR/><BR/>I guess the obvious, that such goodness should start "at home" slipped their grasp? ;)<BR/><BR/>It would sure save the rest of us the trouble.<BR/><BR/>The ELF is a bunch of wackos too.<BR/><BR/>Rat Bastards<BR/><BR/>-LukeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165649253229558842006-12-08T23:27:00.000-08:002006-12-08T23:27:00.000-08:00Once again, I am compelled to say something.Once again, I am compelled to say something.NoMohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01100042056270224683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165642316512969552006-12-08T21:31:00.000-08:002006-12-08T21:31:00.000-08:00Mars,I hope no chickens were harmed during your in...Mars,<BR/><BR/>I hope no chickens were harmed during your incantation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165640454217207542006-12-08T21:00:00.000-08:002006-12-08T21:00:00.000-08:00The Jody that can be invoked is not Jody.er... or ...The Jody that can be invoked is not Jody.<BR/><BR/>er... or something like that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165634480288619892006-12-08T19:21:00.000-08:002006-12-08T19:21:00.000-08:00The most evil people to ever walk the earth were n...The most evil people to ever walk the earth were not the Nazis. They are "deep ecologists". This branch of the Green neo-pagan religion is essentially worse than Satanism. The most extreme adherents espouse a doctrine which endorses the elimination of mankind from the planet entirely. One recent speech given by a professional biologist in Dallas included a professed desire to see the introduction of an airborne ebola-like pathogen which would "wipe out 99% of humanity". This "moderate" fell short of the typical call for complete extermination.<BR/><BR/>Many of these people seem quite serious. Would they pull the switch if it somehow became available? Who knows. Some of them probably would.<BR/><BR/>Deep environmentalists are not quite the same as atheists. They are more like Satanists--or... what? What possesses a human mind to pine for the ultimate annihilation of the pinnacle of Creation? To hope for a storm of Holocausts?<BR/><BR/>Much of this unadulterated, dead-eyed, reptillian evil filters into the general population. Children are routinely indoctrinated that our entire species is profoundly evil...alien.<BR/><BR/>The Left has certainly produced a prodigious plague of such nihilists--the Khmer Rouge always come to mind first for me. <BR/><BR/>Leftists sometimes seem to wonder that we are not being "fair", not treating their "viewpoint" with respect and equal time. Huh? Why on earth would I do such a thing? Would I give a Nazi "equal time"? <BR/><BR/>I think we should be fighthing the Left tooth and nail, FAR more than we do today. I don't want to "debate" leftists (except those who are genuinely good people who are leftists by accident--they are welcome). I want leftism to die out entirely. The sooner the better.<BR/><BR/>Progress on that front is pretty damned slow, I'm afraid.Stephen Macdonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13474300559219020772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165634442789678242006-12-08T19:20:00.000-08:002006-12-08T19:20:00.000-08:00Well, Dr. Godwin, I figure I owe you for my daily ...Well, Dr. Godwin, I figure I owe you for my daily therapy about $122,000. Thanks for being a guiding light. Most often, lately, I am rendered speechlesss, and by the time I have read through the comments I have to go back and again read what you have said and, not being a writer, don't usually say, thank you so much for constant allignment adjustments.<BR/> Finally I am cured from my therapy which was in the seventies. Hallelujah.<BR/> Where's Will?Geckohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11150958111957262924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165626199993052282006-12-08T17:03:00.000-08:002006-12-08T17:03:00.000-08:00Ximese,Don't you mean "Its really annoying..." ? ;...Ximese,<BR/><BR/>Don't you mean "Its really annoying..." ? ;)<BR/><BR/>If you have not seen Chad Vader, (Darth's younger brother) surf over to Youtube and do a search for him.<BR/><BR/>(Comic Relief)<BR/><BR/>-LukeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165625516001554542006-12-08T16:51:00.000-08:002006-12-08T16:51:00.000-08:00Mars:It's really mean of you to want to infict bor...Mars:<BR/><BR/>It's really mean of you to want to infict boredom onto others.ximezehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09969724903834433405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165625342814857972006-12-08T16:49:00.000-08:002006-12-08T16:49:00.000-08:00that robinstarfishso does shine again todaylove he...that robinstarfish<BR/>so does shine again today<BR/>love her haikuximezehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09969724903834433405noreply@blogger.com