tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post116516327363755161..comments2024-03-28T20:04:20.286-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: Know Your CasteGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-6572979170382880922009-10-25T16:04:52.921-07:002009-10-25T16:04:52.921-07:00WHAT CHU TALKIN BOUT WILLIS !?WHAT CHU TALKIN BOUT WILLIS !?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-90877404073505816682008-04-05T11:39:00.000-07:002008-04-05T11:39:00.000-07:00People - We are all free to be who we choose, how ...People - We are all free to be who we choose, how we live and what we do (unfortunately sometimes)- otherwise we would be ridding our world of the diversity that comes with chaos.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165353714820184902006-12-05T13:21:00.000-08:002006-12-05T13:21:00.000-08:00What a fascinating post!I think the deification of...What a fascinating post!<BR/><BR/>I think the deification of the 'outcaste' is because, as you said, so many are stuck working/acting in the wrong caste:<BR/><BR/>To a schmo stuck in the 'wrong caste', outcaste looks like freedom.<BR/><BR/>There is no question for me what 'caste' I'm in:<BR/><BR/>I knew it as a child and followed it. Others who know me grasp it instantly. Whether it's a 'higher caste' or not, I don't care; it's the best for me!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165348621704954532006-12-05T11:57:00.000-08:002006-12-05T11:57:00.000-08:00bugs said... "I think we started worshipping untou...bugs said... <BR/><BR/>"I think we started worshipping untouchables because at some point they started representing for us the ultimate in Liberty - true Americans who have shaken off the conventions of society and gone their own way."<BR/><BR/>In your dreams Buckwheat! <BR/><BR/>Untouchables are neither "true" Americans, nor do they have Liberty. They are trapped in their narrow viewpoints and selfishness.<BR/><BR/>They are merely self reinforcing legends in their own minds. This illusion is maintained by the lock held on the general media which worships itself and others like it.<BR/><BR/>This does not make your ostensible free everyman intrinsic in his free nature, and thereby laudable.<BR/><BR/>"They didn't have the European caste system to rebel against, as many of their forefathers did, so they did so against their own society."<BR/><BR/>Such presuppositions are nonsense. Our society predominately came from Europe. <BR/>Moreover, rebels need only a thesis for their antithesis to make them "justified" in their exist-stance. ;)<BR/><BR/>"About the time the freedom-loving hippy became our new symbol for the Outsider"<BR/><BR/>Perhaps became YOUR symbol, but not mine. I have chunks of untouchables in my stool buddy! ;)<BR/><BR/>Projection of your self image and calling it reality is scary stuff. A rather common mistake to confuse a symbol for a referent. adding personal redefinitions and affirmations in the process.<BR/><BR/>".. we started deconstructing our traditional heroes."<BR/><BR/>No, those who are rebellious and unevolved selfish whiners, saw this as their chance to not evolve, but stay in permanent youth -a point brought up in today's post.<BR/><BR/>Some of us really were there in the sixties and seventies -it is not the glory days the left would love for us all to believe. Nor is it some kind of mystical and magical awakening into any new form of humanity. <BR/><BR/>If anything, it is a retreat to paganism and the grunting pig part of human nature. This pig, hosed down with lots of liberal perfume, is still a pig.<BR/><BR/>-LukeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165334358446626182006-12-05T07:59:00.000-08:002006-12-05T07:59:00.000-08:00Ben;""I'm the Supply Officer, LT. Osborne. Did you...Ben;<BR/><BR/>""I'm the Supply Officer, LT. Osborne. Did you know that you are supposed to make-up all the officers racks everyday?," he said.<BR/><BR/>"No sir, I didn't," I said, feeling more tired now."<BR/><BR/> Hey, in the Merchant Service, you'd be called a "fart-chaser", (Bedroom Steward).<BR/><BR/> Steward assistants who wash dishes are called "pearl divers".<BR/><BR/> "Twidget" is not so bad, considering.<BR/><BR/> Regards;Bilgemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04424710821740705733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165332230030718152006-12-05T07:23:00.000-08:002006-12-05T07:23:00.000-08:00Sehoy, Bezactly. Thus the hip shot I followed wit...Sehoy, <BR/><BR/>Bezactly. <BR/><BR/>Thus the hip shot I followed with regarding definitions of Artisans. I suspect we are using the classical sense, and not the disaffected (current) sense -which considers a Crucifix in a jar of urine to be "cool" or "artistic" which it is not.<BR/><BR/>I think Artisans are also quite spiritual (true artisans) but perhaps technically less disciplined or devoted as the priest or warrior. <BR/><BR/>Perhaps it is this, which allows for disaffected faux-artisans to appear. In other words, the antithesis / rebellion facet of the lack of discipline as been elevated as the art itself, rather than what the artisan "is for" per se.<BR/><BR/>But now I digress into other portions of works of Bob and others here.<BR/><BR/>Bob, maybe you should register the domain: onecosmos.bobspot.com ? <BR/><BR/>An interesting read is called, "Assessment of Men" and was somewhat of a handbook written between the OSS and CIA regarding the evaluation of candidates.<BR/><BR/>The multi-level "games" which were used in the evaluation make it fun to read.<BR/><BR/>A reprint is available at Aegean Park Press.<BR/><BR/>In the meantime, I need more coffee.<BR/><BR/>Oorah!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165305414119714662006-12-04T23:56:00.000-08:002006-12-04T23:56:00.000-08:00True artisans are higher up in the caste with the ...True artisans are higher up in the caste with the priests and warriors, but most of the self-proclaimed artisans we see today like to grub around with the outcastes, because they are outcastes, or because they are outcaste-wannabees.<BR/><BR/>My dad, who is blue collar and never made it through college, sometimes said, "We are not serfs." Over the years, I've come to see that he is definitely the hunter/warrior type.<BR/><BR/>He was so right about that serf thing. <BR/><BR/>Much of the left, longing for that all-embracing support of socialism, look like serfs to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165304280950570842006-12-04T23:38:00.000-08:002006-12-04T23:38:00.000-08:00Apologies, I neglected the Artisans. Generally, I...Apologies, I neglected the Artisans. Generally, I suspect they occupy that upper portion of the curve nearest the warrior and priestly class. But this could depend on possible uses of the term "Artisan", of which I am too tired to do.<BR/><BR/>Also, it was said earlier today..<BR/><BR/>[stu said... <BR/><BR/>And Troll, the fact that you actually call yourself a troll, demonstrates how fully you have embraced the outcast role.]<BR/><BR/>Stu -perhaps if this person fully embraces thier "Inner Troll" they can heal, go through the 12 steps of Trolldom, and come into life without having to live under the bridge of despotic thinking? John Bradshaw would be proud!<BR/><BR/>Of course, I suppose, if we consider this notion, that IS the spiritual quest.. overcoming the Troll Factor -within and without.<BR/><BR/>Of course, radical Wasabi (sic) Islamists have missed the implications of the internal Jihad in this sense. By deciding it is an outside work, they assault the enemies of their Trollness. Rather than, seeking the struggle or Jihad against their inner Troll -which would make the outer Troll conflict a moot point. (IMHO)<BR/><BR/>What was that Beatle's song? "..Trolls go on within you and without you.." -nahh, I'm goin' to bed now!<BR/><BR/><BR/>-LukeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165303518984522922006-12-04T23:25:00.000-08:002006-12-04T23:25:00.000-08:00Caste-ing Call...In thinking of the different Cast...Caste-ing Call...<BR/><BR/>In thinking of the different Caste members, I thought perhaps a standard Gaussian distribution would be a good visual.<BR/><BR/>The Priestly caste at the top end, with the Warriors following close behind. This would be the upper (approximately) 15 percent.<BR/><BR/>The bottom 15 or so percent are the uh, untouchables / nutjobs. The mean and one standard deviation from it would be what my friend's mother calls, "The Dominant Strain".<BR/><BR/>It also occurs to me that from the 66 percent line (top end of the upper standard deviation from the mean) on down, we can draw an arrow pointing towards the left of the graph. <BR/><BR/>This indicates in greater intensity (proportional to the approaching of zero) -the magnitude of the "Its all about me" syndrome.<BR/><BR/>Additionally, only the upper few percentage points (if that much) of the upper standard deviation have the awareness to attempt to understand the upper 15 percent at all. <BR/><BR/>That is, they are aware they exist, even if they do not understand, and are somewhat aware of the concepts held there, but do not fully comprehend this.<BR/><BR/>Note further, that the "Elite" types are not actually elite at all, but less than these upper percentage points. In other words, they are Narcissist "wanna be" types and Toadies. <BR/><BR/>They misinterpret Spirituality as mere power and control, which is what they seek, so tend towards being manipulative and faux-spiritualists / into "mysteries". They become legalists, not liberators. <BR/><BR/>As Jesus said of some Pharisees, ".. you won't go in, and you won't let them go in.." (my paraphrase).<BR/><BR/>They are lacking the true sight to see the light at the upper end, which is liberating, and not controlling. <BR/><BR/>It causes the individual to submit to God or higher concepts in spite of himself, which is beyond the grasp of a Toad.<BR/><BR/>A rather infamous genetics expert we obtained at the close of WWII mentioned to a friend of mine one night, that all our social programs would be the downfall of our nation. He used the term, "The subsidizing of the reproduction of the unfit." <BR/><BR/>Many might say this is rather insensitive or racist, considering the source of the remark. But it is accurate in and of itself, without any implications of race or "smarts".<BR/><BR/>The growth of an entire Troll class, and "permission", if you will allow the term, to fail in life, has caused hideous damage to our society. We now pay money to support this Caste, and moreover, in many ways encourage people to continue to produce more of the same.<BR/><BR/>This creates a conflict between the "makers" and the "takers" -who will always say they have not enough from the others.<BR/><BR/>This also, in a way, reminds me of Plato's Republic. Keeping the Joe Sixpacks happy with nonsense, so they can live out their lives and exist and pay taxes. (Obviously I'm over-summarizing, and Plato did not have any six packs. Joe Six Urns?)<BR/><BR/>IMHO, and at your service.<BR/><BR/>-LukeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165289594935219082006-12-04T19:33:00.000-08:002006-12-04T19:33:00.000-08:00The left has no problem with the Meyer-Briggs cate...The left has no problem with the Meyer-Briggs categories, or with the idea of intelligence varying between people in a measurable way. But if you put these two ways of quantifying people together, along with historically useful vocational tags, they come all unglued.<BR/><BR/>My mother put the classic literature in a special bookcase and told me and my brothers that under no circumstances were we to read it, it was too grown up for us. So by time I was eight I'd read all about these archetypes and knew which one applied to me and everyone I knew.<BR/><BR/>Reality is only hard if you can't let things be what they are. Liberals constantly try to pound everything into some matrix that bears no relationship to human nature or the laws of physics. Then they whine when the results don't suit.<BR/><BR/>Get over it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165254918754513482006-12-04T09:55:00.000-08:002006-12-04T09:55:00.000-08:00I think we started worshipping untouchables becaus...I think we started worshipping untouchables because at some point they started representing for us the ultimate in Liberty - true Americans who have shaken off the conventions of society and gone their own way. They didn't have the European caste system to rebel against, as many of their forefathers did, so they did so against their own society.<BR/><BR/>About the time the freedom-loving hippy became our new symbol for the Outsider, we started deconstructing our traditional heroes. John Wayne's free-riding but upright western hero became Clint Eastwood's independent and amoral fistful of dollars anti-hero. Audey Murphy's Medal of Honor persona morphed into Clint Eastwood's (busted to Private from) Lt. Kelly - disgusted with the Army and out to grab his share of the war profits.<BR/><BR/>The message, evidently, was that *anything* that limited or guided your own personal path was Bad and had to be actively opposed. Of course, that's a path as well - which fact its exponents ignore.<BR/><BR/>That, plus a little fashionable French thinking, somehow put us on the ground we stand on today. Fair is foul and foul is fair.<BR/><BR/>Notice how the foul ones, when they're not getting stoned or screwing each other's wives, like to engage in very public acts of charity and benevolence toward us, the little people. They know they're worshipped beyond all reason attempt to live up to their inverted images - frequently with embarrassing or at least dissonant results.<BR/><BR/>Wish the days would return when every kid knew about Abe Lincoln and Sgt. York but couldn't name one popular singer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165248587268978962006-12-04T08:09:00.000-08:002006-12-04T08:09:00.000-08:00Ben- did you mean flash or flesh? Both sound good...Ben- did you mean flash or flesh? Both sound good, though. Can't you just draw on paper and scan it in? Books/stories are so much better with pictures!!!;0)<BR/><BR/>Seriously, send Bob a pic to post of you in uniform!Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04969685296436358865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165245230800231332006-12-04T07:13:00.000-08:002006-12-04T07:13:00.000-08:00The priest is an epitome of renunciation. Does it ...The priest is an epitome of renunciation. Does it include being on the top of everybody ?mynameisnobodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13805442751868682816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165225061000301672006-12-04T01:37:00.000-08:002006-12-04T01:37:00.000-08:00Lisa-Draw some pics?Would that be with or without ...Lisa-<BR/>Draw some pics?<BR/>Would that be with or without the flash?<BR/><BR/>Actually, I can draw, but I haven't found an inker that can make my drawings recognizable, plus they want money.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165221268778424072006-12-04T00:34:00.000-08:002006-12-04T00:34:00.000-08:00Bob-I believe you have far more Warrior in you tha...Bob-<BR/>I believe you have far more Warrior in you than you may think.<BR/>That's based on my noumgut-insynch coordinated with, and yet part of <BR/>the O--k revel-luminations, that has ben unlocked from the futurepast through eternity.<BR/><BR/>I don't completely understand how, but that is the point, and it's not relevant.<BR/>But I know why and it evolves, or revolves you.<BR/><BR/>The wheel-within-a-wheel ad infintum you talked about awhile back, is what got the wheels turning, or I should say helped me accept the vision of it already occuring everhence.<BR/><BR/>I would try to be more cryptic, but that would be too easy for you, because you already know. <BR/>You just don't know it yet. <BR/><BR/>Which is probably how it happened to begend with.<BR/>But that's a bestdeustiguess.<BR/><BR/>Thank you, my fellow Bobbleheads for your way too kind comments.<BR/><BR/>I got so full of myself I took an innercation and you have convinced me to keep on sailing the inner See. :^)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165215219290550322006-12-03T22:53:00.000-08:002006-12-03T22:53:00.000-08:00Anon 09:00:06,Ben's story is an ongoing saga and w...Anon 09:00:06,<BR/><BR/>Ben's story is an ongoing saga and was started about a week ago in relation to a thread Bob posted. It has since become relatively unrelated to subsequent threads so I just skip over it to maintain the continuity of the thread, the comments and the troll bashing and then come back and read it afterwards.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165214833472454532006-12-03T22:47:00.000-08:002006-12-03T22:47:00.000-08:00Anon 9:00:06Scroll up to my post today to another ...Anon 9:00:06<BR/><BR/>Scroll up to my post today to another Anon (5:03:30)& you'll have your answer.<BR/><BR/>Also a good idea to read the comments to this blog. Lots of stuff goes on here, many threads weaving in,out,up,down,forward,<BR/>backward, thru the middle & around the whole. <BR/><BR/>Lots of fun, good for the soul & great for getting the brain juices flowing. <BR/><BR/>No weenies or dolts allowed.ximezehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09969724903834433405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165208406516098302006-12-03T21:00:00.000-08:002006-12-03T21:00:00.000-08:00The story of US Ben of the USN is engaging written...The story of US Ben of the USN is engaging written, but seems to have no connection to the subject matter of the blog. The disconnect is kind of weird to me.<BR/><BR/>Am I missing something here? Out of the loop? If so, someone please set me straight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165206820445397922006-12-03T20:33:00.000-08:002006-12-03T20:33:00.000-08:00The apostle Paul says is Romans 9:21"Does not the ...The apostle Paul says is Romans 9:21<BR/><BR/>"Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?"<BR/><BR/>In the U.S. we're taught that you can be whatever you want to be when you grow up. However, we find out that this is not entirely true when we get older. Sure, we're all allowed to try to be whatever we want to be. It's just that we don't all have the same potential. <BR/><BR/>I guess this idea is non-PC because it kinda tips over the left's "everybody's a winner" applecart.DKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00001264740386513007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165195558173848852006-12-03T17:25:00.000-08:002006-12-03T17:25:00.000-08:00Bob is so far off the ground he does have some sen...Bob is so far off the ground he does have some sense of un-touch-ability!!!<BR/><BR/>Lovin' the story, Ben! Can't wait for the next installment. It would be cool if you could send Bob some pics of you from back then...or maybe someone with some artistic ability could draw some pics.Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04969685296436358865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165195111935630192006-12-03T17:18:00.000-08:002006-12-03T17:18:00.000-08:00".....plus I wished to enmesh a large prey-animal ...".....plus I wished to enmesh a large prey-animal (Bob)....."<BR/><BR/>Wouldn't that be a large pray-animal?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165194211495520252006-12-03T17:03:00.000-08:002006-12-03T17:03:00.000-08:00Troll:Thanks for the clarification. Your response ...Troll:<BR/>Thanks for the clarification. Your response tells me that at least there is a possibility that you are not a complete idiot.<BR/><BR/>Anon 2:34:04<BR/>Ben has been charming us with these cliffhangers for a week or ten days (or so?). If you're new to this site & liked today's chapter, you'll find it worthwhile to get the story from the beginningximezehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09969724903834433405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165194073247069512006-12-03T17:01:00.000-08:002006-12-03T17:01:00.000-08:00Ben - breathlessly awaiting. This is SO good!A ble...Ben - breathlessly awaiting. This is SO good!<BR/><BR/>A blessed Advent to all Christians reading in - happpy New Year.<BR/><BR/>FYI- if you're planning on doing any volunteering this holiday season, sign up now. Programs fill up fast. Can't tell you how many people we disappoint from the 20th on with no jobs for them...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165193798763756482006-12-03T16:56:00.000-08:002006-12-03T16:56:00.000-08:00Bob - what a string of great postsCould you expand...Bob - what a string of great posts<BR/><BR/>Could you expand on the differences, if any, between caste and vocation? Or possible overlaps, a la Stu's "artisan priest"? A perfect description of you.<BR/><BR/>Could Mrs. G. run a tape measure around the Boy's chest? I'd like to see if he'd fit into an experimental sweater in the works.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1165188539691462572006-12-03T15:28:00.000-08:002006-12-03T15:28:00.000-08:00Dilys, I think you are right about this: "conventi...Dilys, I think you are right about this: <BR/><BR/>"conventional boundaries, which may need creative adaptation in occasional situations (what practial Christians call the "pastoral"), but which on the whole provide the cartography of human sanity ("right doctrine")."<BR/><BR/>Our sorores and brethren of the legal profession like to say that hard cases make bad law.<BR/><BR/>The occasional sporadic appearance of genuinely difficult situations, e.g. hermaphroditism, does not and should not set the norm.<BR/><BR/>The norm should be the norm.<BR/><BR/>As you say, the postmodernists have that backwards; they want to make the exception, the rule.Gandalinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09196550750055246901noreply@blogger.com