tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post115729542207955633..comments2024-03-27T11:16:36.951-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: Higher BobnoxiousnessGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1157385052274908892006-09-04T08:50:00.000-07:002006-09-04T08:50:00.000-07:00A bit off topic, but here goes, if you were asked ...A bit off topic, but here goes, if you were asked by a scientist (and atheist) friend to recommend one book to him, which book would that be?Bro. Bartlebyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15980379263844521557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1157376231349584952006-09-04T06:23:00.000-07:002006-09-04T06:23:00.000-07:00Amen, Brother Bob!Grant-There is no "we" in self.W...Amen, Brother Bob!<BR/><BR/>Grant-<BR/>There is no "we" in self.<BR/>Why would Jesus bring the Sword if it were otherwise?<BR/>The Truth divides,<BR/>it isn't familial, diverse or multicultural.<BR/>It's God's (Truth)way or the highway.<BR/>It's Absolute.<BR/>Personally, I remember the strongest of corrections, but that's just who?<BR/>I Am.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1157372295269082822006-09-04T05:18:00.000-07:002006-09-04T05:18:00.000-07:00Bob you said:"So. What do I suggest a Christian/Ch...Bob you said:"So. What do I suggest a Christian/Christian church should do? Try this... Drop the repellently corny “let’s love ‘em” slop. You sound, and are, ridiculous."<BR/><BR/>Amen and Amen: Paul told the Corinthians "If any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant."<BR/><BR/>Bob sometimes I wonder how you can be so patient with some of the "moonbats" you encounter. <BR/><BR/>Obnoxiousness in defense of truth is not a vice; therefore it must be virtue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1157356986031273592006-09-04T01:03:00.000-07:002006-09-04T01:03:00.000-07:00Bob, thank you addressing the question of obnoxiou...Bob, thank you addressing the question of obnoxiousness in the pursuit of spiritual goals. You have an enviable ability to marshall large numbers of quotes in support of your position. After reading your entry, I am about 90% convinced that, as Will puts it," obnoxiousness in the defense of the Spirit is no vice." Jesus was in fact obnoxious to certain parties, as you have shown. I did not have my facts straight.<BR/> However, there remains the sticking point of unity. In most credible spiritual systems, and as implied by the title of your own book and blog, everything that exists is of one piece, making Springsteen, moonbat that he is, contiguous with you, me, and everyone else. There is an appearance of division among people into separate beings but it seems clear that there is no actual division at all on a deeper level. <BR/> The implication I am making is that everyone is the Self, and therefore it is logical to treat everyone as least as well as one would treat oneself. Following this line of thought, would you call yourself a moonbat or a spokeshole if you found yourself wrong about something? Suppose you were mistaken about certain things, and you wanted to firmly correct your own behavior or beliefs--wouldn't you handle your self-correction with love, consideration and respect, even while being firm and severe?<BR/> People are harsh on themselves sometimes--they may have inner dialogues that are terribly cruel. As rocker Graham Parker put it, "nobody hurts you harder than yourself." This self-inflicted pain is counterproductive. Therapists inculcate self-regard whenever possible, along with an ability to critique oneself honestly but without rancour or shame.<BR/> To finish my argument, I just have a lingering 10% suspicion that obnoxiousness, while effective for fostering changes, is unhealthy for the human corpus at large, the group Self, and the purposes that obnoxiousness serves could be accomplished in healthier ways. Could not Springsteen be seen as a mistaken friend rather than an alien entity to be belittled and discounted? Does Self love preclude severity and the ability to critique others?black holehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07366633817665791528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1157346413854690832006-09-03T22:06:00.000-07:002006-09-03T22:06:00.000-07:00Exactly, John P, thanks.WilExactly, John P, thanks.<BR/><BR/>WilAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1157321719537184932006-09-03T15:15:00.000-07:002006-09-03T15:15:00.000-07:00Will, did you mean AU H2o?Will, did you mean AU H2o?John Hindshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05654010029465940318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1157318264698654712006-09-03T14:17:00.000-07:002006-09-03T14:17:00.000-07:00The synchronicity is creeping me out, but in a goo...The synchronicity is creeping me out, but in a good way:<BR/>Today's homily - Phariseeism in our own lives and how the acknowlegement that even our good works are tainted by some stain of pride, uncharity, etc. is the beginning of true humility and the co-operation with grace. Fairly obnoxious, if you cared to take it that way. But true.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1157308229705379702006-09-03T11:30:00.000-07:002006-09-03T11:30:00.000-07:00In fact, I seem to recall something about Jesus ge...In fact, I seem to recall something about Jesus getting into some kind of trouble for offending the wrong people.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1157306880564248602006-09-03T11:08:00.000-07:002006-09-03T11:08:00.000-07:00I would remind you that obnoxiousness in the defen...I would remind you that obnoxiousness in the defense of the Spirit) is no vice. And let me remind you also that milquetoastness in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. <BR/><BR/>(paraphrasing H2o, '64)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1157306321311154372006-09-03T10:58:00.000-07:002006-09-03T10:58:00.000-07:00Pretty good stuff Bob, for hardly trying.I think w...Pretty good stuff Bob, for hardly trying.<BR/>I think what you described is what irks me about the myopia of people. They look at the spiritual masters as some sort of passivist la-la landers who just strode around offending no one when the exact opposite is true. Truth offends most people until they discover the truth about themselves and then cleave to Truth as their only loyalty.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com