tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post1052581421798732469..comments2024-03-28T12:10:26.197-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: What Cosmos are You Living in? (10.05.10)Gagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-4938549980116680802007-09-14T07:22:00.000-07:002007-09-14T07:22:00.000-07:00River,Shooting beyond the target is indeed a nice ...River,<BR/>Shooting beyond the target is indeed a nice way to slip into the infinite that was already and always there anways.<BR/><BR/>BTW I have just gotten my paws on Bob's book and am devouring it, it is terrific! Like getting multiple virus protection upgrades in the old internal operating system so that (.) will shut up and O to (n) can commence with great speed!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-719703087297554522007-09-13T11:35:00.000-07:002007-09-13T11:35:00.000-07:00Nick: One word: Space.To hit the target, you must ...Nick: One word: Space.<BR/><BR/>To hit the target, you must shoot beyond it.Ephrem Antony Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032465992619034619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-10559951446567199652007-09-13T08:38:00.000-07:002007-09-13T08:38:00.000-07:00By the way, thanks, Nick, for sparking some intere...By the way, thanks, Nick, for sparking some interesting debate.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-81873514628349316402007-09-13T07:14:00.000-07:002007-09-13T07:14:00.000-07:00Ricky,Oops your right that was Van's point. Anywa...Ricky,<BR/>Oops your right that was Van's point. Anyways just got Bob's book via Amazon. I've just been through the first chapter. It really is like no other book I've ever read. I think I could reread that chapter countless times and get something new and deep out of it each time. I guess as Bob often points out that IS the point of scripture, endless revelation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-77912968415348617432007-09-13T07:04:00.000-07:002007-09-13T07:04:00.000-07:00Nick,Thanks but the credit to “ultimate resource” ...Nick,<BR/>Thanks but the credit to “ultimate resource” should go to Mr. Van.<BR/><BR/>By the way, have you read Bob’s book? I think you would enjoy it.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-3265447719455442482007-09-13T05:41:00.000-07:002007-09-13T05:41:00.000-07:00gagdad bob, julie, smoov, ricky raccon van and oth...gagdad bob, julie, smoov, ricky raccon van and others, Thank you all for your insightful responses in regaurds to my finite resource concerns. I can and do see many of your points. I especially like ricky raccon's point about the human mind being the ultimate resource. It is so very true that resources are meaningless without intelligent minds to develop and that indeed takes a modern innovative and perhaps God fearing culture to develop intelligent minds.<BR/>I certainly admit to my idea of finite being much much smaller than what the finite resources are. I also agree with Bob 100% that we must encourage economic development in third world countries so that they may thrust themselves and all their nasty mind parasites from the dark ages once and for all.<BR/>Having said all that I still feel our material balance as a whole is precarious. Lets all hope for more innovative minds and a quick development in third world countries.<BR/><BR/>NickAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-39830457568345268872007-09-12T21:20:00.000-07:002007-09-12T21:20:00.000-07:00Everyone deserves a listen to a little "Heavy Weat...Everyone deserves a listen to a little <A HREF="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4171887" REL="nofollow">"Heavy Weather"</A> in remembrance of Joe...NoMohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01100042056270224683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-4776464974855899512007-09-12T21:15:00.000-07:002007-09-12T21:15:00.000-07:00Run out of resources? Impossible.Soylent Green!deb...Run out of resources? Impossible.<BR/><BR/>Soylent Green!<BR/><BR/>debass - I will miss Zawinul, such a beautiful musician. Thanks for bringing his passing to attention.robinstarfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15665546554663005609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-10114502096690104802007-09-12T21:13:00.000-07:002007-09-12T21:13:00.000-07:00Debass - So, no more Weather Report? I hadn't hear...Debass - So, no more Weather Report? I hadn't heard. That is a shame - one of my long time favs.NoMohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01100042056270224683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-9600967779771438222007-09-12T20:34:00.000-07:002007-09-12T20:34:00.000-07:00RE Van’s “minds are the ultimate resource”, did yo...RE Van’s “minds are the ultimate resource”, did you notice this little guy popped back into the news yesterday. I had forgotten about him. America made him and he was only expected to last for 90 days…<BR/>3 ½ years later…:<BR/><A HREF="http://www.space.com/news/070912_rovers_update.html" REL="nofollow">Mars Rover Dips Toe into Crater <BR/></A>Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-56792207501133163032007-09-12T20:33:00.000-07:002007-09-12T20:33:00.000-07:00Ah.What Smoov said. And what DeBass said. And ... ...Ah.<BR/><BR/>What Smoov said. And what DeBass said. And ... <I>oh my</I> what Susannah said!<BR/><BR/>Seven? I think my sleep deprivation limit was three. My wife almost became a widow when she & her mom decided to prank me into thinking the ultrasound on our last was twins - face paled, fell back into the wall... <BR/><BR/>(Congratulations!)<BR/><BR/>;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-70836309745734353392007-09-12T20:22:00.000-07:002007-09-12T20:22:00.000-07:00Annonymous Nick said "Surely you must acknowledge ...Annonymous Nick said "Surely you must acknowledge that there is an upper limit on the population earth can support?? Surely you must believe that some basic resources to human existence are finite? Do you think that there are limits to growth in an economy on earth?"<BR/><BR/>The problem to that is discounting what makes any of it a worthwhile resource to begin with - Us. Resources are only resources to us because we find value in them. If and when they become too scarce to use (history actually shows that usually we find something more useful and therefore valuable first, but...), we will turn to something else, or find other sources for it. Nomo linked to an item yesterday noting a new discovery - saltwater <I>burns</I> when beamed with particular radio frequencies. Something a while back about H3(?), a mineral extremely rare here, but like sand on the Moon, that is supposedly the ideal fuel for <I>Fusion</I> reactors.<BR/><BR/>The point isn't that we may run out of one thing, or find another first, but that our minds are the ultimate resource (I think there was actually a book recently by that title) - that is what produces resources and values. And <I>if</I>... and that is a very very big IF, which becomes apparent if you take a clear eyed look at the actual expanse of the earth, but IF we ever ran out of room, or even became uncomfortably crowded, we would expand upwards, or into the sea, or outer space.<BR/><BR/>(Oh, and River? Not to contradict myself, but those six'll eat you out of house and home, before they begin to earn their keep. Just sayin.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-48782305765105707672007-09-12T20:09:00.000-07:002007-09-12T20:09:00.000-07:00Tsebring said "Wonder if Clancy, Grisham or Chrich...Tsebring said "Wonder if Clancy, Grisham or Chrichton has already written the book. If not, get writing, guys!"<BR/><BR/>Didn't ... Frank Herbert? write one like that a long while back... White Plague?<BR/><BR/><BR/>wv:lxggomy let go o' my... what? Ego?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-89699160353859018862007-09-12T20:08:00.000-07:002007-09-12T20:08:00.000-07:00“Yes, there is a cosmos, Virginia.”“Yes, there is a cosmos, Virginia.”Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1384839121056296902007-09-12T20:06:00.000-07:002007-09-12T20:06:00.000-07:00Debass said,“I've listened to this same argument a...Debass said,<BR/>“I've listened to this same argument about overpopulation and the ensuing disasters for at least 40 years.”<BR/><BR/>Same here. Ice age was all the rage back then. Remember the crying Indian TV commercial?<BR/>A bit tired of that manipulation.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-51255869271544712632007-09-12T20:03:00.000-07:002007-09-12T20:03:00.000-07:00"... a central bank that ensures the value of each..."... a central bank that ensures the value of each of those scientific bank gnotes. <BR/><BR/>Yes, there is a cosmos. For the same reason there is a God: you kant half one without the under One. "<BR/><BR/>;-)<BR/><BR/>hOHMe run today.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-14034775688547012132007-09-12T19:58:00.000-07:002007-09-12T19:58:00.000-07:00Postscript:My kids and I were watching one of thos...Postscript:<BR/><BR/>My kids and I were watching one of those old Moody science videos yesterday. The scientist narrating made a great comparison between the so-called "silent deep"--silent only to human ears, inadequate to a watery environment, as the invention of the hydrophone proved--and the spiritual realm to the natural man (cf. 1 Cor 2:14). Of course, my mind went straight back to some of the recent threads here on OneCosmos...Susannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16381272662339466736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-2635093836582249332007-09-12T19:53:00.001-07:002007-09-12T19:53:00.001-07:00"For this reason, we can say that the cosmos is th..."For this reason, we can say that the cosmos is the exterior of God, while God is the interior of the cosmos (while not limiting God to that). Conceiving of either is only possible because human beings are able to intuit both the wholeness and withinness of things. We are able to conceive the Absolute not because it is a fanciful wish, but because it is the inner reality that subtends everything; in other words, the Absolute is the necessary condition for conceiving it. "<BR/><BR/>And similarly, it is the inner reality that we perceive with ourselves - and why the deterministic materialist tinker toy concept of life is so self evidently lacking and wrong. It lacks an inner in there - which they try to counter by saying that we aren't really here - it's all just an illusion.<BR/><BR/>To who?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-47670600506182848092007-09-12T19:53:00.000-07:002007-09-12T19:53:00.000-07:00I think the population scare is a holdover from Eh...I think the population scare is a holdover from Ehrlich's book, which-- as eventually happens with all liberal scare tactics--was proven completely and totally wrong decades ago.<BR/><BR/>http://www.reason.com/news/show/34775.html<BR/><BR/>I'm expecting our seventh child this winter. Promise, we won't breathe up all your air. ;)Susannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16381272662339466736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-68334324591569719132007-09-12T19:47:00.000-07:002007-09-12T19:47:00.000-07:00I'm finally catching up to today..."Thus “the cosm...I'm finally catching up to today...<BR/><BR/>"Thus “the cosmos” is the ultimate scientific act of mental synthesis, very much the material equivalent of conceiving of God -- who also represents an absolute integrity and cohesion that we can never perceive in its a priori fulness with our senses."<BR/><BR/>Oohhh <I>yes</I> indeedy! Well said!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-75407195024079746042007-09-12T19:26:00.000-07:002007-09-12T19:26:00.000-07:00The entire global population will fit in the state...The entire global population will fit in the state of Texas. <BR/>Here is an article that addresses the subject of overpopulation.<BR/>http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OTdlZTVkM2Y0OWQyYzJiZWEwMzA0ZDg2OThmNjI2YjU=<BR/>I've listened to this same argument about overpopulation and the ensuing disasters for at least 40 years. The only real problem is that the Turd Worlders are out breeding the first worlders. Especially in Europe with the Muslim population where they will be the majority in some countries.<BR/><BR/>Joe Zawinul-RIPdebasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13546940741042023260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-28467147753735933702007-09-12T19:25:00.000-07:002007-09-12T19:25:00.000-07:00What Smoov said.(And what you said yesterday about...What Smoov said.<BR/>(And what you said yesterday about Amy Winehouse.)Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-60910669614965961412007-09-12T19:20:00.000-07:002007-09-12T19:20:00.000-07:00Nick,You may want to consider that maybe your perc...Nick,<BR/>You may want to consider that maybe your perception of this “finite” may be a great deal smaller than it actually is. I think this has something to do with our changing language Bob spoke of yesterday. What we once called the World is now commonly referred to as the planet. Sounds a lot smaller doesn’t it?<BR/><BR/>I posted a link here to an article a couple of months ago:<BR/><A HREF="http://www.eagle.org/news/pubs/pdfs/Surv-Spring07.pdf" REL="nofollow">Defanging the Energy Scaremongers</A><BR/>It’s written by a professor of chemical engineering/energy analyst. When mentioning his acceptance of Peak Oil and that the amount of oil is in fact “finite”, he is also comfortable saying we won’t peak for several decades nor run out for several centuries. To the enviropanicists, his mere mention of the word “finite” is to them a gotcha moment. Now this gentleman has no problem with saying the word finite. I’d be concerned if he did have a problem saying it. He’s perfectly comfortable with the word but most importantly I think with the fact that he is well aware of just how large this “finite” is. Almost infinitely larger than the scaremongers imagine it to be.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-41213041644420916312007-09-12T17:59:00.000-07:002007-09-12T17:59:00.000-07:00This is One Cosmos Classic(c)This is the sort of c...This is <I>One Cosmos Classic(c)</I><BR/><BR/>This is the sort of concentrated, tightly wound, high-octane Truth that makes me want to print the post out, laminate it, and carry it around in my briefcase permanently. <BR/><BR/>I generally have no real substantive comment on posts like this one because they leave me speechless...<BR/><BR/><I>Bravo</I>, Bob.Stephen Macdonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13474300559219020772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-20657608940616704452007-09-12T17:49:00.000-07:002007-09-12T17:49:00.000-07:00Nick,your worries about the population "problem" t...Nick,<BR/>your worries about the population "problem" truly are unfounded. As cultures become modernized, levels of population growth drop drastically while levels of sustainable resources increase dramatically (look at the demographics of any Western Nation, not counting their immigrant populations). Our government (very stupidly) actually pays farmers to <I>not</I> grow crops. In fact, many countries are facing a crisis of negative population growth, Japan and Russia being chief among them (or hadn't you heard that today is Russia's national Make a Baby day?). If negative population growth were actually a good thing, why isn't Russia encouraging more people to not have kids?<BR/><BR/>Countries that continue to exist at third-world standards tend to have terrible problems as a result of overcrowding and limited resources, it's true, but the way to assuage those problems is not to kill everyone off or force them to not reproduce. They also, by the way, tend to have the worst pollution and environmental policies. To remedy these problems they must join the 21st century. Of course, bringing about such a change is, to put it mildly, extremely difficult if not outright impossible, given the dominant cultures in most third-world countries.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.com