tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post9168465884798915553..comments2024-03-18T21:33:35.309-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: Obama and the Hope-a-Dope StrategyGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-85955097024359969942010-06-21T10:26:37.256-07:002010-06-21T10:26:37.256-07:00Bob,
We are of the same vintage.
Where you vote...Bob, <br /><br />We are of the same vintage.<br /><br />Where you voted for Commoner, <br />I voted for John Anderson.<br /><br />O, the mistakes of our youth!<br /><br />There are no do-overs in politics.<br /><br />Best regards,<br /><br />WWWebbWWWebbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03491098272113630084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-10819658468944909182010-06-21T07:49:39.243-07:002010-06-21T07:49:39.243-07:00Great line, Magnus! And all that thrives in a cel...Great line, Magnus! And all that thrives in a cellars is dope...back to hopey dopey youth again, especially relevant given our chief Dope.Retrieverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09036341287285545932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-88499005190554546702010-06-21T07:26:33.329-07:002010-06-21T07:26:33.329-07:00I had the good fortune to utterly avoid the politi...I had the good fortune to utterly avoid the political left in my youth, however I did not avoid the "spiritual left" of relying on my own IQ to figure out the Truth and my own strength to live it. Needless to say this was not a resounding success. <br /><br />Spiritual practice without being open to Divine grace is like growing a garden in your cellar.Magnus Itlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18445902788427523461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-74579547290652997972010-06-20T23:00:19.472-07:002010-06-20T23:00:19.472-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Fat Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05131003998982897093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-17951652112285832722010-06-20T22:48:08.754-07:002010-06-20T22:48:08.754-07:00Put not your trust in princes,
in mortal men who c...Put not your trust in princes,<br />in mortal men who cannot help you.<br /><br />They will die and be buried, and their plans will be buried with them.<br /><br />Happy is the man who trust is in Jacob's God, whose hope is in the Eternal One,<br /><br />Ps 146:3-5Fat Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09554029467445000453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-76100121689418735122010-06-20T16:56:39.458-07:002010-06-20T16:56:39.458-07:00Thanks for this post. I had to laugh at the menti...Thanks for this post. I had to laugh at the mention of Commoner (I also went thru a phase in youth of liking what he had to say). <br /><br />Happy Father's Day, GB, and especially to Julie and her husband and the newest baby Raccoon. <br /><br />That's cool, NB, about your church's turning to St. Francis. I used to lead retreats for kids in care and you would not believe how those hardened street kids, pregnant teens, delinquents, juvenile druggies, and sad abused little boys and girls were fascinated by Francis. They often were ambivalent about God the Father because so many of them had been pulverized by the absence of a father, or an incestuous one, or an abusive stepfather or mother's paramour, and God had not apparently heard their cries for help and rescue BUT I think this made them respond dramatically to the story of Francis' life. I showed them that lovely sappy Brother Sun, Sister Moon w the Donovan songs (quarter century ago now) and they could relate to the raging father making his kid miserable, and to the traumatized sick Francis wandering lonely as a cloud until he had his vision. That film and the mini series of Jesus of Nazareth did more to awaken faith and devotion in those brutalized and outwardly cynical and sometimes hopeless kids than any sermon, or any church. <br /><br />GB, I don't understand the hopey dopey appeal of the Zero to young people today. Perhaps it is that so many of their parents have been emotionally absent, or so busy finding themself or amusing themself or whatever that they are desperate for somebody NOT their parents to idealize. <br /><br />What I remember of my youth was NOT hope in politicians. Having grown up an expat brat, in Latin America, and ENgland, I saw vile fascist governments in Argentina and Brazil that treated their citizens terribly (I kept repeating to myself "Americans are different, we are a city on a hill.") and living and travelling in Europe in the 60s and 70s one saw evidence of wars, religious wars, oppressive elites, a shell of democracy everywhere. The IRA were bombing London and we were all initially frightened of but had learned to despise and ignore terrorists. My sister lived in the Arab world, and I cringed at the way women were treated even in Sin City (Bahrain) and how appallingly the Bahrainis treated their guest workers (Tamils and others in virtual indentured servitude. The Shiites were raising hell and scared the dickens out of me. The rise of radical Muslim groups that hated and fought American ideals of democracy, women's education, religious freedom, etc. made me gloomy about the future. <br /><br />I idealized America so that was what I hoped in, but it was the Puritan New England of my ancestors and rather different from multicultural America. My English schoolmates had just hammered on me how Americans were racist, stupid, uneducated, and other vile calumnies. When I returned to America for college, I loved the country, the people, but was shocked by the politicians. I can't remember being enthusiastic as a college student about any of them. <br /><br />My own kids were utterly unimpressed by Obama but they voted for him because they felt that Mcain was too old and they snarkily dismissed Palin as a Barbie and trailer trash. I cringed, but conservatives haven't done a good job of reaching out to young people. <br /><br />The idea of and the struggle for freedom ought to draw young people. The ideas of adventure, commitment to causes higher than the self, of work and standing on one's own two feet, not being a moocher, etc. which most conservatives hold dear ought to draw kids far more than the politics of victimhood and grievance. It does seem odd that the latter got packaged as hope. <br /><br />Sorry to blather on so. Forgive such a lengthy comment. I keep swearing off politics because I can't discuss them with the kids without tempers flaring...Retrieverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09036341287285545932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-11492031030433688342010-06-20T16:31:16.234-07:002010-06-20T16:31:16.234-07:00"That was a reasonable post you made. Not all..."That was a reasonable post you made. Not all politicians are blackguards as you say."<br /><br />Yes, NB. I'll never forget our rep and his family doing our laundry for us while our daddy lay in a hospital in a coma in his final days. Never.<br /><br />I had a daddy much like Tristan's. :)Susannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16381272662339466736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-32502595264343256282010-06-20T16:29:35.734-07:002010-06-20T16:29:35.734-07:00Leslie, that's a wonderful testimony. :)Leslie, that's a wonderful testimony. :)Susannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16381272662339466736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-36070182764641083332010-06-20T15:58:41.757-07:002010-06-20T15:58:41.757-07:00ah innocenter times!
"...On your way down to ...ah innocenter times!<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2Bhr5E726E&feature=player_embedded" rel="nofollow">"...On your way down to the Gulf of Mexico...."</a>gehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02015936407999495181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-57455073183089110692010-06-20T12:51:47.277-07:002010-06-20T12:51:47.277-07:00black hole:
That was a reasonable post you made. ...black hole:<br /><br />That was a reasonable post you made. Not all politicians are blackguards as you say. However I don't think that was Bob's point. What I took to be his point is that it is a mistake to direct our natural capacity for hope on politicians (a great many of whom *are* blackguards in any case) instead of directing it to the proper l-O-cation.Stephen Macdonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13474300559219020772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-4387289466595076822010-06-20T12:08:48.996-07:002010-06-20T12:08:48.996-07:00I can only echo (almost) everyone else today.
Hap...I can only echo (almost) everyone else today.<br /><br />Happy Father's Day to all the dads out there!juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-31635275903063795532010-06-20T11:39:53.207-07:002010-06-20T11:39:53.207-07:00Politicains aren't so bad. They are part of t...Politicains aren't so bad. They are part of the command and control structure of the civilian sector and can be seen as rear-echelon assets.<br /><br />One needn't pin inordinate hopes on politicians, but then again they are doing a useful and necessary task so are valuable in that sense.<br /><br />Some politicians could be making more money elsewhere and stick with it out of duty. Schwarzengger and Whitman come to mind. They do not need money or prestige.black holehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07366633817665791528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-87255922440935279402010-06-20T11:12:34.776-07:002010-06-20T11:12:34.776-07:00Happy Father's Day to all of the dads here, es...Happy Father's Day to all of the dads here, especially the new ones!<br /><br />I hope Bob doesn't mind, but I want to share this about him. Bob is not only a wonderful father to Tristan...a very challenging job but one I'm sure Bob wouldn't trade for anything...but he gave me a do-over with my experience of a father. Just watching them together gave me the blessing of seeing what it would be like to have a loving and kind but strong man in my life, and I've been able to release my awful reaction to my own birth father. <br /><br />Not to mention, he helped me relate to God the Father in a healthy and positive way. (Sri Aurobindo and Prager also helped me with this.)<br /><br />Have a wonderful day :)<br />Mrs. GLeslie Godwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11794375005614166921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-84717167220934084412010-06-20T11:06:42.421-07:002010-06-20T11:06:42.421-07:00Meanwhile, Obama is spending big money to get the ...Meanwhile, Obama is spending big money to get the <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/19/AR2010061903034.html" rel="nofollow">young and stupid</a> to hope for him again.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-12594892295941911712010-06-20T11:04:37.341-07:002010-06-20T11:04:37.341-07:00I think you mean spluttering points. I have to cl...I think you mean spluttering points. I have to clean the back of my screen every time he spews.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-29685098120098601912010-06-20T11:02:15.322-07:002010-06-20T11:02:15.322-07:00Thanks for the link on Matthews, Bob. I think we ...Thanks for the link on Matthews, Bob. I think we found the source of our trolls' talking points! LOL!Susannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16381272662339466736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-87811460834898647212010-06-20T10:55:21.939-07:002010-06-20T10:55:21.939-07:00I'll have to explore more Prager...Talk genius...I'll have to explore more Prager...Talk geniuses Bob Grant then Maharushie* turned me around---didn't hurt living in liberal bastion where they broadcast from and seeing-feeling its transformation by Giuliani<br /><br />*whom i started listening to after being informed he had mentioned/played old collaborator K Nomi [his gay news update theme]gehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02015936407999495181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-76110757209467876082010-06-20T10:50:26.215-07:002010-06-20T10:50:26.215-07:00"Pieper improves it. So does One Cosmos."..."Pieper improves it. So does One Cosmos."<br /><br />Amen. This one was beautiful.<br /><br />Happy Father's Day, Bob and all our dads!Susannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16381272662339466736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-713278692081063592010-06-20T10:20:58.107-07:002010-06-20T10:20:58.107-07:00G-Bob wrote: "In fact, the metaphysical simil...G-Bob wrote: <i>"In fact, the metaphysical similarities are so striking, that Louth includes a chapter on Philo in his excellent book on The Origins of the Christian Mystical Tradition."</i><br /><br />Thanks for the link - I'll definitely check it out.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07033051400545893690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-56522405717696560912010-06-20T10:06:09.916-07:002010-06-20T10:06:09.916-07:00More on the spluttering dope Matthews.More on the <a href="http://hotair.com/archives/2010/06/20/chris-matthews%E2%80%99-%E2%80%98the-rise-of-the-new-right%E2%80%99-deceptions-and-delusions/" rel="nofollow">spluttering dope</a> Matthews.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-46999465690758756102010-06-20T09:43:46.612-07:002010-06-20T09:43:46.612-07:00In fact, the metaphysical similarities are so stri...In fact, the metaphysical similarities are so striking, that Louth includes a chapter on Philo in his excellent book on <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0198266685?ie=UTF8&tag=onecosmos-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=1789&creativeASIN=0198266685" rel="nofollow">The Origins of the Christian Mystical Tradition</a>.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-10882459404971365722010-06-20T09:39:33.792-07:002010-06-20T09:39:33.792-07:00Yes, in many ways Philo was a confluence of Greek ...Yes, in many ways Philo was a confluence of Greek and Jewish thought, just as the early fathers were vis-a-vis Christianity.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-33240105056708211322010-06-20T09:35:06.382-07:002010-06-20T09:35:06.382-07:00G-Bob wrote: "Lynn: I am happy to acknowledge...G-Bob wrote: <i>"Lynn: I am happy to acknowledge Dennis Prager as one of my most important fathers. More than anyone else, he is responsible for my political conversion."</i><br /><br />I know that, as you have stated it many times before. I consider you and he to be among the most important <b>voices for "wisdom"</b> that are out there today.<br /><br />The Jewish philosopher Philo was a contemporary of Jesus and the author of several philosophical and historical works. <a href="http://www.tektonics.org/jesusclaims/trinitydefense.html" rel="nofollow">Philo calls Wisdom (which he also refers to as the logos) the "image (eikon) of God," refers to the Wisdom of God as the one through whom the universe came into being, and describes Wisdom as God's "firstborn son," as neither unbegotten like God or begotten like men, as Light and as "the very shadow of God."</a> He regarded the logos as one of several attributes of God which he referred to collectively as "powers," with the logos as the chief power in the hierarchy.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07033051400545893690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-77321854854940156062010-06-20T09:14:00.252-07:002010-06-20T09:14:00.252-07:00Lynn:
I am happy to acknowledge Dennis Prager as ...Lynn:<br /><br />I am happy to acknowledge Dennis Prager as one of my most important fathers. More than anyone else, he is responsible for my political conversion.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-44061139579395315592010-06-20T09:10:24.783-07:002010-06-20T09:10:24.783-07:00My first Father's Day as a father. Also found ...My first Father's Day as a father. Also found out today that our church is converting to the order founded by St. Francis of Assisi. <br /><br />Somewhere I read that St. Francis is the most widely referenced personage in global literature.Stephen Macdonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13474300559219020772noreply@blogger.com