tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post8981307454470004266..comments2024-03-18T13:34:06.557-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: The Builders Rejected by the Stoner in ChiefGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-63678123012807631572010-10-20T08:21:42.893-07:002010-10-20T08:21:42.893-07:00I don't care for Nasr, who is much more Islami...I don't care for Nasr, who is much more Islamic. Schuon is only "accidentally" Sufi but fundamentally universal.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-85140333650388162382010-10-20T08:18:16.786-07:002010-10-20T08:18:16.786-07:00Same with Seyyed Hossein Nasr. I've read some ...Same with Seyyed Hossein Nasr. I've read some but much less than of Schuon. By same, I mean, because of these men I give Islam extra points just in case. They see something I haven't even tried to see, to be honest.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1249780543792387012010-10-20T08:13:14.530-07:002010-10-20T08:13:14.530-07:00I mean, "so" densely.I mean, "so" densely.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-23036005351406203342010-10-20T08:12:31.117-07:002010-10-20T08:12:31.117-07:00Thanks, NB.
I actually find Schuon difficult to re...Thanks, NB.<br />I actually find Schuon difficult to read, but mostly because (I think) he writes to densely. It takes me awhile to find the pace; same with Tomberg, but with Tomberg once I do find the pace I feel more at ease with him than with Schuon. Some of it is taste, no doubt. His words are gems with authority. I have great respect for him. And glad to know him as much as I am able. I give Islam a better chance because of Schuon than I probably would. So that's probably good.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-41449575451329208852010-10-20T07:38:33.730-07:002010-10-20T07:38:33.730-07:00Rick:
It's not surprising that Schuon doesn&#...Rick:<br /><br />It's not surprising that Schuon doesn't always resonate with us on a completely harmonious frequency. He was after all a Muslim, or at least highly sympathetic to Islam. I think it's fair to say that by and large most of us are somewhat less sympathetic to this creed/religion, whatever the alleged merits of Sufism etc might be.<br /><br />Note: I'm suggesting anything in the past day or so is directly related to Schuon's embrace of Islam, I'm merely observing that we're never 100% in accord with <i>anyone</i>, except (at least in my case) with Jesus Christ.Stephen Macdonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13474300559219020772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-52984408828614546622010-10-20T06:17:44.306-07:002010-10-20T06:17:44.306-07:00When I was little the priest turned his back on us...When I was little the priest turned his back on us and it was Latin. They'd swing that thurible right under your nose and the light would slant in through the colored glass just so. They'd pick out some passage to expound upon in the middle of course, and if you were a contemplative sort - and the priest was, too - it might make you think about something non-trivial. Your capstone reference brought me right back there, and I'm grateful for it. <br /><br />After that, it was all catching cold by shaking hands, folk guitars, nuns dressed like the last four pages of the Sears catalog, and nonsense. <br /><br />Related: Spellcheck has no idea what a thurible is.SippicanCottagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14940797380578921776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-10035519722699616912010-10-19T18:12:43.771-07:002010-10-19T18:12:43.771-07:00Rick said "Who'd thunk you could make a j...Rick said "Who'd thunk you could make a joke with Noxema in it.."<br /><br />I only know that it'd be a clean one.<br /><br /><br />wv differs:<br />stondip<br /><br />I bigtime miss Ximeze.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-44801379683643848852010-10-19T18:04:29.915-07:002010-10-19T18:04:29.915-07:00Thanks, Julie. It's pretty rare that a post he...Thanks, Julie. It's pretty rare that a post here would bug me. It's probably a good sign. And that's not to say the whole thing bugged me. Just a small part. 99% or the rest I agreed with. By bug I mean like an itch or something. Anyway, my beef was with Schuon, and likely a result of me taking what he said out of context. It just sounded as if he was discounting something of great value to some.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-79598710082296779592010-10-19T17:21:16.880-07:002010-10-19T17:21:16.880-07:00I don't know what that means but it sounds pre...I don't know what that means but it sounds pretty funny!<br />Who'd thunk you could make a joke with Noxema in it..Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-14457539146861926042010-10-19T17:19:14.937-07:002010-10-19T17:19:14.937-07:00Rick, before I forget,
By the BTW, sorry for the ...Rick, before I forget,<br /><br /><i>By the BTW, sorry for the trouble yesterday.</i><br /><br />You should never apologize for simply disagreeing, you know. Purely for my own self, I thought it was very helpful - you made me re-examine my first impression and check what I thought I understood, which is never a bad thing. If you're right, and you didn't speak up, I think that would have been worse.<br /><br />And if Bob were the kind of person to be bothered by any of that, I doubt we'd be hanging out here. I wouldn't, anyway. <br /><br />Just my .02¢juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-75423091665042493282010-10-19T16:21:24.077-07:002010-10-19T16:21:24.077-07:00You're welcome, but my niece gets the credit. ...You're welcome, but my niece gets the credit. If Google smelled like Noxzema you couldn't tell them apart.mushroomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07651027035577798096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-21320569263567697782010-10-19T15:42:47.052-07:002010-10-19T15:42:47.052-07:00It is on Youtube:
The BaptismIt is on Youtube:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGtntBn2bzM" rel="nofollow">The Baptism</a>Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-49879659615961303922010-10-19T15:31:10.107-07:002010-10-19T15:31:10.107-07:00Wow Mushroom! Thanks!
I'll bet it's on You...Wow Mushroom! Thanks!<br />I'll bet it's on Youtube.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-53765436181401761132010-10-19T15:29:36.692-07:002010-10-19T15:29:36.692-07:00You're welcome, Julie.
I miss her too.You're welcome, Julie.<br />I miss her too.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-78720973107829039562010-10-19T15:28:50.868-07:002010-10-19T15:28:50.868-07:00I never was much of a Waltons fan but my nieces (n...I never was much of a Waltons fan but my nieces (now both little old gray-haired schoolmarms) loved it almost as much as "Little House". They say you are probably talking about an episode called "The Baptism".mushroomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07651027035577798096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-38768463726357241672010-10-19T15:20:25.502-07:002010-10-19T15:20:25.502-07:00Rick - thanks for the link to the old post. Combin...Rick - thanks for the link to the old post. Combined with the comments, it makes for good afternoon reading.<br /><br />I miss Ximeze.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-14852108221926505412010-10-19T15:06:10.561-07:002010-10-19T15:06:10.561-07:00By the BTW, sorry for the trouble yesterday. Hope ...By the BTW, sorry for the trouble yesterday. Hope you didn't mind too much.<br /><br />wv: squac!Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-38375784270774949102010-10-19T15:04:06.660-07:002010-10-19T15:04:06.660-07:00"Yes, just consider all the lousy books I rea..."Yes, just consider all the lousy books I read, so you people don't have to! Now, that's what I call a severe penitential ascesis."<br /><br />So you DID read my book!<br /><br />BTW, that lousy book on Newman looks pretty awesome.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-51067507268587487302010-10-19T14:54:14.221-07:002010-10-19T14:54:14.221-07:00"In this regard, it is impossible for me to i..."In this regard, it is impossible for me to imagine him engaging in any kind of unethical or dishonest business dealing, even though he was in no way conventionally religious."<br /><br />This reminds me of a "Walton's" episode. I was sort of young when it aired but it seemed to be about John Boy's struggle with what he thought was his father's lack of interest or lack of faith in God. His father almost dies, if not actually does for a little while, after having been struck by lightening and suffers a heart attack, I think. I think this happens while he is working in the rain at their sawmill; the family business. I wonder if anyone else remembers it?Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-70706346557108234312010-10-19T14:45:24.146-07:002010-10-19T14:45:24.146-07:00So what'yer saying is...we won't be implem...So what'yer saying is...we won't be implementing the caste system today?<br /><br /><a href="http://onecosmos.blogspot.com/2008/07/great-cosmic-casting-couch-and-role-of.html" rel="nofollow">(Old Joke)</a><br />You know, I was thinking of the same thing, Bob :-)<br /><br />Back to this powerful post. If I can hang on to 'er, that is. Whoa Nelly.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-57450463411204622942010-10-19T13:05:46.799-07:002010-10-19T13:05:46.799-07:00I don't always manage to keep the right mindse...I don't always manage to keep the right mindset about it, but I know, nonetheless, that my challenges are part of a spiritual discipline. When I get a phone call at 2:30am to fix something an operator has broken, or when my wife wants the concrete statuary moved one more time -- if I could recognize those things at the time they happen for what they are, I'd make some progress. I could turn even these little, petty inconveniences into "suffering for His sake" by thanking God in the midst of them. I'd be a both better man and closer to Him -- as Magnus said on the prior thread.<br /><br />Instead I grudgingly do what I have to do, and, occasionally, afterward, realize what an opportunity I missed.mushroomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07651027035577798096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-60269775115794029832010-10-19T11:02:59.490-07:002010-10-19T11:02:59.490-07:00This,
"Thus for the rest of us, we must crea...This,<br /><br />"Thus for the rest of us, we must create our own interior cathedral, so to speak... This interior cathedral is where the soul finds its rest. "<br /><br />and,<br /><br />"...there is a "love of work well done -- both the result and the performance -- and of wages honestly earned; an emotional accent on the fear of God and on meritorious works conscientiously and piously accomplished."<br />...if American capitalism were dominated by this mentality -- which it actually is, far more than people realize. Indeed, this is why it "works," because of the American "civil religion" so accurately described by de Tocqueville." <br /><br />are deeply tied together, which is why this is abundantly clear,<br /><br />"Intellectually speaking, the most meagerly endowed tea-partier knows more about America than Obama and his doubtcaste rabble of mentors. "<br /><br />I see it every day, people stopping in on the way home from work to volunteer an hour or two, who barely know the Declaration of Independence from the Constitution... but have a far better grasp of America and it's government, how it's supposed to work and why, than the leftie gradual student activist for 'da man'.<br /><br />Buckley's "...sooner be ruled by the first 100 names in the Boston phone book than by the faculty of Hahvahd..." still applies. It's not so much what's in the noggin, than what it is habitually directed to conform to.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-10652689639870834892010-10-19T10:02:29.901-07:002010-10-19T10:02:29.901-07:00For which we are eternally grateful...For which we are eternally grateful...juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-71816344710659967202010-10-19T09:55:02.673-07:002010-10-19T09:55:02.673-07:00Yes, just consider all the lousy books I read, so ...Yes, just consider all the lousy books I read, so you people don't have to! Now, that's what I call a severe penitential ascesis.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-60065706431624478992010-10-19T09:35:36.130-07:002010-10-19T09:35:36.130-07:00Agreed. Of course at some point we may be pointed ...Agreed. Of course at some point we may be pointed to the hair shirt by a legitimate spiritual advisor (incarnate or discarnate), but if we just pick our own ascesis in the spiritual salad bar, chances are that it will serve us less than life itself.Magnus Itlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18445902788427523461noreply@blogger.com