tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post8976259249550355159..comments2024-03-28T20:04:20.286-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: Is the Cosmos a Great Divinizing Machine?Gagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-38090959991041527802009-07-31T05:17:02.752-07:002009-07-31T05:17:02.752-07:00gulpingotty said "Bar bar, bar bar bar bar. ...gulpingotty said "Bar bar, bar bar bar bar. Bar bar bar, barrr, bar bar bar barbarbar!"<br /><br />I rest my case.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-58380381982230793872009-07-31T02:53:59.236-07:002009-07-31T02:53:59.236-07:00>>Man is not driven to contemplate nature fo...>>Man is not driven to contemplate nature for its own sake, but because it is "a kind of initiation into the knowledge of God," . . <<<br /><br />That, I think, is the trouble with so much of the eco-mvt. - the contemplation of and reverence for nature-for-its-own-sake, just like contemplation of art for-its-own-sake, can lead to nothing but the emptiness of the sensory. <br /><br />In the case of art, that results in an ever-increasing addiction to sensation, perversity, shock value. <br /><br />In the case of the eco-mvt., the result is a trending toward various forms of neo-paganism, which is the apotheosis of the sensory. (and is also the apotheosis of human passion and base instinct)<br /><br />Both are counter-evolutionary, comrades.<br /><br />Stay thirsty, my friends.willnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-48286162096786041902009-07-30T21:59:04.825-07:002009-07-30T21:59:04.825-07:00Goddinpotty,
ACORN needs to lower your wages bec...Goddinpotty, <br /><br />ACORN needs to lower your wages because you SUCK man.Homer S.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-49322563117042637822009-07-30T20:13:45.002-07:002009-07-30T20:13:45.002-07:00What's my excuse for spouting nonsense?
Hmm, ...What's my excuse for spouting nonsense?<br /><br />Hmm, let me think... Wait a minute -- that's a trick question!Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-50671337098748230202009-07-30T20:02:17.047-07:002009-07-30T20:02:17.047-07:00Jonah Goldberg has a smidgen of an excuse for spou...Jonah Goldberg has a smidgen of an excuse for spouting his nonsense -- he's well-paid for it (plus, he's obviously not too bright). What's yours?goddinpottynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-19758893209807802552009-07-30T18:35:51.576-07:002009-07-30T18:35:51.576-07:00As we move down the worlds, a fragmentation occurs...As we move down the worlds, a fragmentation occurs. What is one in a higher world appears as a multiplicity in a lower. This is surely intentional, for if the One wanted Unity above all, there would have been no creation.<br /><br />In the human spirit the two forces of unity and multiplicity may appear separately, as the mystic lifts his eyes upward toward the higher worlds and their unity, while the creative artist expresses the relative unity in the form of discrete creations, be they books or paintings or works of music. And in some the both of them vie for attention.<br /><br />But in any case, unity is a hallmark of the higher, and beyond a certain point the full meaning of the many can only be understand by knowing the one above. This is so on every rung of the cosmic ladder.Magnus Itlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18445902788427523461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-42338519577733528222009-07-30T17:47:44.032-07:002009-07-30T17:47:44.032-07:00For once I agree with goddinpotty. The leftist Hi...For once I agree with goddinpotty. The leftist Hitler elevated relativism to the absolute, which is why he absolutely hated the Jews, since they symbolized to him man's covenant with the Absolute.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-9370493064367238922009-07-30T17:41:30.691-07:002009-07-30T17:41:30.691-07:00it is only because of the a priori "existence...<i>it is only because of the a priori "existence" of the Absolute -- i.e., GOD -- that progress is possible...This is why ..."progressivism" is just another name for barbarism. It is the rule of the beasts, the infrahumans who have no desire to become human.</i> -- Gagdad Bob, 2009<br /><br /><i>The Jews are undoubtedly a race, but not human. They cannot be human in the sense of being an image of God, the Eternal. The Jews are the image of the devil. Jewry means the racial tuberculosis of the nations.</i> -- Adolph Hitler, 1923goddinpottynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-60384718139999940792009-07-30T17:27:56.423-07:002009-07-30T17:27:56.423-07:00... hey, as long as you meet in the muddle of the ...... hey, as long as you meet in the muddle of the mount...Peteynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-74525605768588177222009-07-30T17:09:03.651-07:002009-07-30T17:09:03.651-07:00"I personally have no problem with either app..."I personally have no problem with either approach..."<br /><br />Same hear.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-22466144072250473582009-07-30T14:13:39.373-07:002009-07-30T14:13:39.373-07:00yes, the actuality is, I think, that it is 'ba...yes, the actuality is, I think, that it is 'baby' who icons the Father in the family. In this way, we can recognize that the 'fatherhood' of the Father is indeed, something entirely different that we usually understand. <br /><br />It takes 'the enlightened nous' (i.e. the nous with the energy of God) to comprehend these things. The highest natural theology is what it is because (I think) it either stumbled upon the truth (which is possible) among the many possible derivations, or it, through virtue, opened itself up to some level of understanding, barring the descent and <em>indwelling</em> of the actual Spirit of God which proceeds from the incarnation -> crucifixion -> resurrection -> ascension's restoration of human nature. In other words, you have to tell the whole story, from the beginning, every time...<br /><br />However, I think we have to be careful where we follow this, because we might then think, that if the Holy Spirit were incarnate, he would take the form of a woman (extrapolating from Father = child, Son = father, perhaps) and from this erroneous extrapolation we have what is called 'Sophianism' which believes that the Holy Spirit essentially DID incarnate in the Theotokos (oh God help us.)<br /><br />We can also fall into error by using the language construct of feminine (which in Hebrew for spirit we see) to again extrapolate that the Holy Spirit is a kind of Divine Feminine. <br /><br />However, I think that while we call the Spirit 'giver of life' and we can note that 'Eve' means a similar thing, the theology (if we're to stay little-o orthodox anyway) is top down; the Son, like the Father and Spirit are actually as Divine Persons genderless; the gender goes along with the human nature, which only the Son has. <br /><br />We can *speculate* about *if* the Spirit was incarnate, but such things are speculative. Of course, if I recall Eckhart was regarded heterodox for speculations as well as Origen, and Gregory of Nyssa's speculative work is also regarded heterodox (while in general he is considered orthodox.) <br /><br />So, I would caution the Ocholophobist leans toward the orthodox in teaching and away from the speculative, and I know that Bob likes to riff on the speculative, to see what mileage can be gained in it. <br /><br />I personally have no problem with either approach... but certainly the proper theology cannot be strictly bottom up, or really bottom up at all. You can't learn to read by being given a bunch of books without any kind of guide or even any kind of speaker who speaks that language. You need a speaker to learn the language...Ephrem Antony Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032465992619034619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-74649012053094552812009-07-30T13:55:12.478-07:002009-07-30T13:55:12.478-07:00You know, there is no single place in this fine po...You know, there is no single place in this fine post which I can point to to show the connection to this other person’s writing that River pointed out the other day (Thanks again, River). Bob’s post keeps doing this on its own, everywhere. This person writes a shocker – at least it was while I failed to see the Truth of it:<br /><br /><a href="http://ochlophobist.blogspot.com/2008/01/catharsis-sex-aside-concerning-von.html" rel="nofollow">The Ochlophobist writes:</a><br /><br />“It is my conviction that human fatherhood (and the acts associated with it) teaches us nothing dogmatic about God, nor does human sonship (and the acts associated with it) teach us anything dogmatic concerning God. We cannot start with human biological or social relationships and end up with Christian Trinitarian dogma. The movement of knowledge is expressed perfectly in Ephesians 3:14-15, For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named (with the classic πατερα/πατρια turn of phrase). The names (or the real, abiding knowledge we possess) of ourselves and of others and of relationships come from God. This is top down theology. But this ride only goes one way. I do not learn God's name by way of evaluating human relationships qua human relationships. There is no sense in which Trinitarian relations are a mimesis of earthly relations. In other words, I can learn something of what human fatherhood should be by way of learning of the Father, but I cannot learn anything of the Father by looking at human fatherhood.<br /><br />Now, some will here speak of their loving, caring, forgiving, devoted earthly fathers who taught them of the Father, or of horrid earthly fathers who we might be told detracted from their trust of the Father. But we must ask ourselves, who is iconing whom?”<br /><br />And then a commenter asks:<br /><br />“[I]sn't fatherhood itself something created and self-revelatory of the Trinity?”<br /><br />Ochlophobist replies:<br />“No. The nature of biological human fatherhood in and of itself reveals nothing of the Trinity. This is the point I make in the post. Fr. Hopko has lectured at some length on the modern theological problems which stem from the belief that the nature of human fatherhood teaches us about the relations of Persons within the Trinity. On this matter I very much concur with him.”<br /><br />I like how he said, “No”, don’t you?<br />:-)Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-70317799249315178262009-07-30T13:38:44.370-07:002009-07-30T13:38:44.370-07:00"the stars in the heavens are like the letter..."the stars in the heavens are like the letters of a book."<br /><br />That is beautiful.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-17358806533977864482009-07-30T12:03:02.850-07:002009-07-30T12:03:02.850-07:00I think I've likely said this here before but ...I think I've likely said this here before but the idea of it for me is that One Glimpse at that incomparable Face and that's it. All questions answered, all knowledge known and for the seeker, an entrance into, "of course!" <br /><br />And we move farther up and further in from there.<br /><br />wv: miquell - yes, it calms me.Joan of Argghh!https://www.blogger.com/profile/14729682908266300507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-77176913962040575972009-07-30T11:46:54.330-07:002009-07-30T11:46:54.330-07:00"For the unawakened, it is merely a stool.&qu..."For the unawakened, it is merely a stool."<br /><br />and the Won and his ilk continue loosing their droppings on us all.Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-78025985696792204102009-07-30T11:33:59.680-07:002009-07-30T11:33:59.680-07:00"This is why -- and I really can't recomm..."This is why -- and I really can't recommend Liberal Fascism highly enough; I think it's actually much, much deeper than understood by both critics and fans -- "progressivism" is just another name for barbarism. It is the rule of the beasts, the infrahumans who have no desire to become human. For them the state is the absolute, and metaphysical gravity takes care of the rest. See Barack fall!"<br /><br /><i>Yes!</i> The only thing progressive about proregressivism, is that once you buy into one single bit of it (as the first states did to doing away with their property restrictions on eligible voters), you WILL become progressively more and more and more barbarous.<br /><br />How low can you go? You will never gno.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-34028946407130939412009-07-30T11:28:28.984-07:002009-07-30T11:28:28.984-07:00"Truly, the closer you get, the further away ..."Truly, the closer you get, the further away you are. Virtually all saints affirm this in one away or another."<br /><br />The image which comes to mind is that of zooming in to the molecular, atomic & sub-atomic levels, where the relative distance between molecules, atoms and particles expands more and more and more between thing and non-thing. The closer you get, the further away everything is.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-81885344655076076342009-07-30T11:22:29.337-07:002009-07-30T11:22:29.337-07:00"It is not a cosmos frozen into [an] icon so ..."It is not a cosmos frozen into [an] icon so much as a life that generatively streams and pulsates," something like a fountain consisting of bowls atop one another, so the water overflows down from realm to realm."<br /><br />Cooncidentaly, a common centerpiece in weddings is the champagne fountain, which spills the bubbly bubbly from one bowl, down and into another, and another and... hic....Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.com