tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post8811115199235317785..comments2024-03-28T12:10:26.197-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: Jesus Willies, Yoga VilliesGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-42422726409272905782007-07-10T09:17:00.000-07:002007-07-10T09:17:00.000-07:00Smoov said "When you hang out at One Cosmos for a ...Smoov said "When you hang out at One Cosmos for a while something begins to change. You imperceptibly develop a deep sensitivity to the indecenency of the Left."<BR/><BR/>I find the same, though I wouldn't limit it to the Left - its influence sure, but Left only... sadly no.<BR/><BR/>Though as Magnus said, they had me at 'Poly'.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-39985492313015670672007-07-10T08:46:00.000-07:002007-07-10T08:46:00.000-07:00I've tried to read the Koran (and, once, also the ...I've tried to read the Koran (and, once, also the Book of Mormon), but I got bored. I guess we do prefer the familiar. I don't have translations of Chinese writings on my shelves. <BR/><BR/>I do believe that, regardless of my unavoidable immersion in my own culture: "His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence, by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire."<BR/><BR/>So what's good (God-like) about my culture, I embrace. What's corrupt, Christ has already granted me the power to transcend. I don't have to dig through other cultures, eat unfamiliar foods, necessarily, to find completeness, since the completeness I seek is found in God Himself.<BR/><BR/>OTOH, that doesn't mean that other cultures are to be shunned. It just means I yam what I yam.Susannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16381272662339466736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-14110890296794461432007-07-10T08:06:00.000-07:002007-07-10T08:06:00.000-07:00My opinion is that there are actually three church...My opinion is that there are actually three churches; One appealing to each of Schuon's categories. The Intellectual (Orthodox) the Passional (Roman Catholic) and the Emotional (The Real Form of Protestantism)<BR/><BR/>When I listen to the old American Spirituals I can sort of intuit the real or destined form of the third church, but I wonder when it will finally arise? Or does its emotional nature keep it always in flux? <BR/><BR/>As for the splintering, I think the only way you'll have 'unity' with the protestant churches is when all of their possessions are stripped away and they must be Christians without their buildings, finance committees, and so forth. It is a grim thing, but it must be so. Also, it is my belief that the third church was 'born' - it had its 'Pentecost' with the Asuza 'Revival'. <BR/><BR/>The content and worship of this third church appeal entirely to the emotional man, he has an emotional experience of a 'born again' conversion, and so on.<BR/><BR/>This has been a struggle. In the church that I have attended, people were giving their testimonies about their baptism. About their being born again. I was never 'born again' per se, but rather the process has been gradual and not particularly 'emotional' - really more intellectual. <BR/><BR/>My mom thinks I was annointed in the womb. That's going a little bit far, but y'know. <BR/><BR/>I think this fusion of the spiritual and physical is fine, just as long as the doctrine is solid and we don't let the physical (or emotional) begin to dictate our doctrines. But I think we already covered that ;)Ephrem Antony Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032465992619034619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-58758987463112306692007-07-10T07:42:00.000-07:002007-07-10T07:42:00.000-07:00Sal,sorry for the confuscation. Of course you can ...Sal,<BR/>sorry for the confuscation. Of course you can (and should) have contact with O within an institution. In fact, to stick with the familiar Christianity, Jesus explicitly planned for a church that would stand the test of time. Although he seemed rather vague on the topic in the gospels, it is clear from the early church history that there was an intentional structure that was the seed of preserving the faith through the dark ages that were to come.<BR/><BR/>Modern revivals, especially in the splinter churches that have utterly condemned the Orthodox and Catholic heritages, tend to undervalue structure and blithely assume that The Revival will last forever. These splinter churches are generally the easiest victims to the generational decline.<BR/><BR/>Agreed about the bell curve too. It would be a sad church indeed that was entirely run out of prophets in three generations. But the risk is there that it could happen that fast. It is more like a worst case scenarion.Magnus Itlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18445902788427523461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-34364575977002579572007-07-10T06:31:00.000-07:002007-07-10T06:31:00.000-07:00My new computer ate my comment- it must have been ...My new computer ate my comment- it must have been not what it had in mind.<BR/><BR/>magnus- it might be more accurate to look at each generation as a spiritual bell curve, though the waxing and waning model has some truth as well.<BR/><BR/>The idea that one can't have direct contact with O within an institution is nonsense, though. <BR/>Reading the book of Acts, two things strike you: the swiftness with which an organization sprang up and that even in that 'direct contact' generation, problems abounded.<BR/>Given human nature, I'm afraid there were no 'good old days' in the Church.Salhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13201226644704622876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-85545715537949095622007-07-10T04:21:00.000-07:002007-07-10T04:21:00.000-07:00OK, I really don't mean to hijack the blog, but I ...OK, I really don't mean to hijack the blog, but I don't want to leave my comments in a unnecessarily insulting state.<BR/><BR/>Y'all are familiar with the generational theory of revivals, right? In its simplest form, it goes about like this:<BR/>The first generation lives for God.<BR/>The second generation lives for the church.<BR/>The third generation lives for itself.<BR/>A good revival can carry on for longer before it collapses, but this is the general trend. Once the prophets are gone, with their instant messaging from O, things quickly get institutional. And then the shell remains while the life inside is gone, like those pretty snailhouses you may find near the beach after a storm.<BR/><BR/>When the first generation beholds the purity of God, they rightly declare the world apart from God as a cesspool of sin and depravity. <BR/><BR/>Their children and adoring fans keep their words and although they don't understand, they try to believe. So the next generation, which sees only the reflected glory of God in the teachnings and in the church, still believe that the world is a cesspool. But they compare it to their own standards.<BR/><BR/>By the time the new church has become completely human, they STILL believe that the world is a cesspool compared to them. Instead of upgrading their lives, they downgrade their view of everyone else. That's what I mean by throwing their garbage over the monastery wall.<BR/><BR/>wv:rssikMagnus Itlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18445902788427523461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-37057000640325304012007-07-10T03:57:00.000-07:002007-07-10T03:57:00.000-07:00Smoov,I think subtle stopped at "She knows that we...Smoov,<BR/>I think subtle stopped at "She knows that we're poly".<BR/>o_O<BR/><BR/>wv:hmousMagnus Itlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18445902788427523461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-44412761772140792702007-07-10T03:52:00.000-07:002007-07-10T03:52:00.000-07:00Let me hasten to add that the size of a soul and i...Let me hasten to add that the size of a soul and its quality are different things. I have met people with very narrow souls and not all that deep either, but very beautiful and pure. Like a small, walled in garden, carefully cultivated. Certainly a small, fragrant garden is better than a large, stinking swamp. <BR/><BR/>But I have notice that often those who never leave the monastery garden, insist that all of the world outside is a swamp of sin and depravity. For the visitor, it is all too clear that much of that sin and depravity is their own, which they have thrown over the wall (projected, as psychologists say).Magnus Itlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18445902788427523461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-54879923219644721072007-07-10T03:49:00.000-07:002007-07-10T03:49:00.000-07:00While Bob bas been musing on Christian yoga (an in...While Bob bas been musing on Christian yoga (an intriguing idea if you ask me--like Bob I am no respecter of hard and fast categories when it comes to the spiritual) I chanced to wander over to that bastion of American left-wing though, Salon.com.<BR/><BR/>When you hang out at One Cosmos for a while something begins to change. You imperceptibly develop a deep sensitivity to the <I>indecenency</I> of the Left. I'm not taking simple "porno" indecency, but rather something more elusive, like that first faint odor that eventually morphs into a full-blown awareness that there is something seriously rotting away at the bottom of your kitchen trash container. <BR/><BR/>Anyhow, 10 years ago the following passage would have struck me as colorful, but otherwise unremarkable. This is from Salon's advice column. See if you understand what I mean by the subtle--yet soul-deep--air of indecency that wafts around the very being of such godless materialists:<BR/><BR/><I>Dear Cary, <BR/><BR/>I find myself in a bit of a strange, disheartening situation. <BR/><BR/>My husband works part time, and one of his co-workers is a 19-year-old girl (I am 31, my husband is 36). To say that she's developed a bit of a crush on him would be a gross understatement. She knows that we're poly, and she knows that he's into BDSM, which she apparently has a bit of a leaning toward (their boss, a woman, is also into BDSM and has been talking to her about it). </I><BR/><BR/>I won't bore you with more detail, but it goes downhill from there. <BR/><BR/>Coming back here and reading a dash of River and a dollop of Magnus has the effect of opening a window in that slightly musty kitchen.Stephen Macdonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13474300559219020772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-51972353073477975792007-07-10T03:38:00.000-07:002007-07-10T03:38:00.000-07:00I suspect the whole "Christian Yoga" thing is why ...I suspect the whole "Christian Yoga" thing is why Bob will never be popular. Most people, once they have made up their opinion,would rather not be confused by facts. So a Christian would be afraid of reading Dhammapada or Tao Te Ching or the Bhagavadgita, or even the Quran or the Book of Mormon. Conversely, of course, adherents of the other faiths would only read select parts of Christian writing, including verses from the Bible, handpicked by their own leaders, usually for the purpose of illustrating the evil of Christianity.<BR/><BR/>It is like this with almost everything. Conservatives avoid leftist papers and blogs whenever possible, although some media are hard to avoid completely. Socialists only read carefully picked examples of conservative writing for the express purpose of mocking them. Americans eat sushi for lunch, but when visiting Japan they eat beef steak or hamburgers. Must be afraid of alien cultures or they could eat our soul!<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately, for the most common size of soul, this is an entirely reasonable precaution.Magnus Itlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18445902788427523461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-44017978361944617522007-07-09T21:03:00.000-07:002007-07-09T21:03:00.000-07:00JWM-I believe now they call global warming man-mad...JWM-<BR/>I believe now they call global warming man-made climate change. <BR/>Or, weather, for sensible folks.<BR/><BR/>They changed it to cover virtually any kind of weather that can possibly cause any kind of problems.<BR/><BR/>That way, the left can attribute anything to western man.<BR/>Of course, any weather is going to be "bad" and "good", depending on how we look at it.<BR/><BR/>It's really quite cunning and diabolical, when one looks past the surface of what the left is really trying to do.<BR/><BR/>Useful idiots don't see it, but they create the conditions to make a commie power grab. <BR/>That's what virtually every aspect of their "religion" strives for, be it global warming, universal healthcare, or government run "education".USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-31537048682167889812007-07-09T20:53:00.000-07:002007-07-09T20:53:00.000-07:00JWM-I feel for you pal. That's hard work!But the s...JWM-<BR/>I feel for you pal. That's hard work!<BR/>But the spiritual aspect makes the mundane special. :^)USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-38344498627527827572007-07-09T20:51:00.000-07:002007-07-09T20:51:00.000-07:00I'm down with web teachin', but most videos are ou...I'm down with web teachin', but most videos are out of reach for us dial-up backward folk. :^(USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-68464699239553219542007-07-09T20:14:00.000-07:002007-07-09T20:14:00.000-07:00"Web teaching. That is an amazing idea. I would do..."Web teaching. That is an amazing idea. I would do it in a heartbeat. Where do I sign up?"<BR/><BR/>I think it's a cool idea too. :)Susannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16381272662339466736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-15827759682064126352007-07-09T19:49:00.000-07:002007-07-09T19:49:00.000-07:00Anony: sometimes his name is rendered 'Jesu' or 'Y...Anony: sometimes his name is rendered 'Jesu' or 'Yesu', so 'Ye Su' doesn't seem so surprising. Anyway, one doesn't need to know the 'name' to know the Name, if you know what I'm tryin' to mean.Ephrem Antony Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032465992619034619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-48353346973726179102007-07-09T19:43:00.000-07:002007-07-09T19:43:00.000-07:00"Ye Su"Derived from "Yeshu"? Iesus?"Ye Su"<BR/><BR/>Derived from "Yeshu"? Iesus?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-11943290461630998482007-07-09T19:15:00.000-07:002007-07-09T19:15:00.000-07:00Actually, here is an oportunity to watch the PC po...Actually, here is an oportunity to watch the PC police fine tune the language to suit their agenda. First it was simply "Global warming". But Global Warming alone is open to the argument that it is a natural phenomenon, and there is nothing that we can do about it. So now we must insert "Man Made" as the adjective in charge of this disaster. Soon you will hear the illuminati refer to "manmadeglobalwarming"* fusing all the syllables into a single guilt producing concept. Someday it will become a full fledged epithet and join the ranks of corporategreed, whiteracist, and malechauvanist.<BR/><BR/>JWMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-69794245532910422262007-07-09T18:23:00.000-07:002007-07-09T18:23:00.000-07:00Christian Yoga. An integrated workout for body min...Christian Yoga. An integrated workout for body mind and spirit. I have been working. The school district hired me on to help the maintenance crew with some summer projects. It's generic Work brand work. shovel+dirt=hole. truck+furniture=move. paint+brush= you get the idea. I am frequently reminded of my own private revelation about work and the sacredness thereof. Oddly enough a shovel full of mud doesn't seem to dim the vision, although it does remind me that the body at fifty five is not the well oiled machine that it was at twenty five. Working alongside a twenty three year old provides further contrast.<BR/>Two thoughts on exercise. One: I still like to hike the hills, even in the heat. I find when I am pushing hard my mind falls into that exertion trance, and I reflexively enter into prayer. It's a time when my spiritual ears seem to open. But that's hiking up a hill, which is the same as running, or biking, or swimming... Yoga isn't that kind of workout, is it?<BR/>The second point on exercise. As I said I'm doing a lot of work. I hurt in a lot of places. (Actually, the only places that don't hurt are too stiff to hurt.) If yoga could help there I'll take a shot at it.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Ben: the Chinn Futrix sounds pretty cool, but for a trilogy like that, you'd need at least four movies.<BR/><BR/>Van: I followed the Greenland link. Interesting stuff! But I loved the last sentence where the writer refers to "man-made global warming" as though it's an axiom. Talk about (un)fundamentalism.<BR/><BR/>JWMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-16226464278171551732007-07-09T17:18:00.000-07:002007-07-09T17:18:00.000-07:00Web teaching. That is an amazing idea. I would ...Web teaching. That is an amazing idea. I would do it in a heartbeat. Where do I sign up?Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03149296283560293988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-70580228775969100502007-07-09T16:48:00.000-07:002007-07-09T16:48:00.000-07:00An effective spiritual practice is to offer your w...An effective spiritual practice is to offer your work for the day to God.<BR/><BR/>The type of work, the results of the work, and yourself the worker, no matter who you are or what you do, are offered up as a sacrifice.<BR/><BR/>Then go about your day with no judgment as to what happens or doesn't happen. It has been taken from your shoulders.<BR/><BR/>I think Bob does this with this writing. I strive to do it in my work as a registered nurse. <BR/><BR/>The offering does not change your work, nor does it affect the outcome; yet, the gains you make internally are marvelous. <BR/><BR/>These gains eventually do translate into the work, and a positive feedback loop is created between yourself and God.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-28348888839065426072007-07-09T16:46:00.000-07:002007-07-09T16:46:00.000-07:00Not exactly on subject, but then what is...if you ...Not exactly on subject, but then what is...if you want to take a little break from all the heavy lifting and awkward poses for a scenic side trip through Truth and Beauty, take a <A HREF="http://compasses-lucyandjoe.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow">Compass</A> reading here. I stumbled across this magical corner of the universe quite by accident.<BR/><BR/>It's worth flipping back through the <B>Handbook for Explorers</B> to pick up Sonnets 1-10 first.<BR/><BR/>I want to grab my walking stick and ramble...robinstarfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15665546554663005609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-69426772146052851642007-07-09T16:26:00.000-07:002007-07-09T16:26:00.000-07:00Ximeze,No I hadn't heard of the Ham radio schoolin...Ximeze,<BR/>No I hadn't heard of the Ham radio schooling, but it doesn't surprise me.<BR/><BR/>Where we are at now, with blogging, podcasting, video-podcasting, video streaming, and the touchscreen based features coming available - it's all about ready to come together... at some point here soon, a Teacher, a <I>REAL TEACHER</I> is going to find themselves in a position to provide their skills to <I>Thousands</I> of students, in a practical and two way fashion - Good teachers will be able to earn Large amounts of money doing what they love, without having to go through an institutional Bureaucracy.<BR/><BR/>That's going to be something to see. Next sight to see after that? The 'M' word (Marxism) being tossed unceremoniously into boothill.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-80641399561397270662007-07-09T15:44:00.000-07:002007-07-09T15:44:00.000-07:00Van said-Don't worry Boo-boo... I'll get dee pick-...Van said-<BR/>Don't worry Boo-boo... I'll get dee pick-a-nick baskeet! <BR/><BR/>The Ranger ain't gonna like that,<BR/>Yogeye!USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-30928491163429994382007-07-09T15:03:00.000-07:002007-07-09T15:03:00.000-07:00Van:Are you familiar with what was done in places ...Van:<BR/><BR/>Are you familiar with what was done in places like the Outback & the Velt using Ham Radio? The visual transmission component was missing, but all else was in place.<BR/><BR/>Went to high-school with kids educated that way & a fine education it was too. Out in the middle of nowhere, with a generator for power & a handcrank system for backup (one of my shortwave radios is like that - self-contained battery charger) they rarely missed their lessons. Talked back & forth too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-60513478878743859062007-07-09T14:33:00.000-07:002007-07-09T14:33:00.000-07:00dloye said... "My first thought when reading the p...dloye said... <BR/>"My first thought when reading the previous post was, "my how easy it would be in these times to make instructional videos to post on the web"... a new sort of weblog. But just as I got out of the education game, I was trying to rethink lectures and dive into some of the newer media..."<BR/><BR/>I've long been interested in creating a web education app that would create a virtual classroom geared not only to home schoolers, but to Teachers who wanted to <I>Teach</I> (and <I>Earn</I>) outside the standard institutional classroom format, to not only handle the by-rote activities of teaching (memorization of 1,2,3's and a,b,c's, handwriting legibility, pure fact checking, etc), but also enable lecturing with personalized help & feedback for teacher and student both - not to mention parents.<BR/><BR/>Up until now, this has been hampered by the state of technology... but... with the new UMPC's (check out the coming Raon Digital EVERUN), and pocket pc phones like Sprint's coming out (HTC's 'Mogul' and 'Kaiser')with the new MS Mobile 6.0 , and of course spurred on with Apple's iPhone (Jobs again manages to come out looking like a God with a product that does what PocketPC's have been doing for a couple years now - Microsoft so sucks at projecting <I>Cool</I>) - but they're spurring on the market... anyway, a big digression to say that something webable/portable & activity friendly may be coming soon... maybe some of us here could/should be looking at market oportunities....Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.com