tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post8764079424051735573..comments2024-03-28T12:10:26.197-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: The WholePoint of HisStory (2.20.10)Gagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-81003137978068973732009-02-21T07:15:00.000-08:002009-02-21T07:15:00.000-08:00As I've said before, if all Muslims understood Isl...As I've said before, if all Muslims understood Islam as Fritjhof Schuon, a lot of people would be out of work, because there would be no need for airline security, the UN, Middle East studies departments, and Palestinian spokesholes.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-15670331185133640992009-02-21T02:58:00.000-08:002009-02-21T02:58:00.000-08:00"Of course you are in numerous company since very ..."Of course you are in numerous company since very few people, including the vast majority of self proclaimed Muslims, have ever understood it."<BR/><BR/>That which historically bears the name Islam has little to do with Islam rightfully understood."<BR/><BR/>Since so few people understand "Islam rightfully understood" maybe you should come up with a different name for your version, which should be easy to explain since there's no theology in it, which means no Koran or Suras. <BR/><BR/>I don't see what your beef is with Bob, since Bob is talking about the past and present Islam as understood by the vast majority who proclaim the Koran, Mohammed and suras to be holy. You know, all that pesky theology and sharia law stuff you don't subscribe to.<BR/><BR/>According to you, you ascribe to a different Islam (without the theology) that only a very few understand. Therefore, you shouldn't take offense to anything Bob said, you should be endorsing what he said.<BR/><BR/>Feel free to elaborate, preferably in beginners mind Allah mode so we don't get confused.USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-66428531260835283792009-02-21T02:35:00.000-08:002009-02-21T02:35:00.000-08:00"Again, think of how different this is from situat..."Again, think of how different this is from situating the center in a point in space, such as Mecca, or the Scientology Celebrity Centre International in Hollywood."<BR/><BR/>Or, to put it in terms our latest Islamatroll might understand:<BR/><BR/>Meccaleccahi mecca hiney ho.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-81312285052569086502009-02-21T01:24:00.000-08:002009-02-21T01:24:00.000-08:00"This then leads to the interesting question of ho..."This then leads to the interesting question of how one conveys intrinsic and unchanging Truth within the context of change? Think about it. It would be analogous to incarnating as a metaphysics professor in a liberal university, where the only truth is that truth does not exist." <BR/><BR/>Absolutely! Oh wait...:^)USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-74083329967245450432009-02-21T00:03:00.000-08:002009-02-21T00:03:00.000-08:00Northern,How bout throwing the little peeps a bone...Northern,<BR/>How bout throwing the little peeps a bone and reporting back from the Academy Awards Presentation with some dish on all those starlets at the apres awards parties. <BR/>You international man of mystery you. ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-69379666715751768292009-02-20T23:22:00.001-08:002009-02-20T23:22:00.001-08:00NB and atta turkey are right, the islambies are ge...NB and atta turkey are right, the islambies are getting a raw deal... what the world needs now is a nice PR offensive to get aHead of all this nastiness, maybe a nice <A HREF="http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2009Feb17/0,4670,WifeBeheaded,00.html" REL="nofollow">Muslim Man & Wife</A> could ... I don't know... start a TV station or something, you know, spread the word about how all those crazy things like honor killings and such are just hot air.<BR/><BR/>I'll probably be out of touch for a week or so, but I'll check back and see how that works out. <BR/><BR/>It'll be good to get HerStory.<BR/><BR/>ahem.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-57344065421621360442009-02-20T23:22:00.000-08:002009-02-20T23:22:00.000-08:00Several centuries ago, the Pope decreed that all t...Several centuries ago, the Pope decreed that all the Jews had to <BR/>convert to Catholicism or leave Italy. There was a huge outcry from the Jewish community, so the Pope offered a deal. <BR/><BR/>He would have a religious debate with the leader of the Jewish<BR/>community. If the Jews won, they could stay in Italy; if the Pope won,they would have to convert or leave.<BR/> <BR/>The Jewish people met and picked an aged and wise rabbi to represent them in the debate. However, as the rabbi spoke no Italian, and the Pope spoke no Yiddish, they agreed that it would be a 'silent' debate. <BR/><BR/>On the chosen day the Pope and rabbi sat opposite each other. The Pope raised his hand and showed three fingers. <BR/><BR/>The rabbi looked back and raised one finger. <BR/><BR/>Next, the Pope waved his finger around his head. <BR/><BR/>The rabbi pointed to the ground where he sat. <BR/><BR/>The Pope brought out a communion wafer and a chalice of wine. <BR/><BR/>The rabbi pulled out an apple. <BR/><BR/>With that, the Pope stood up and declared himself beaten and said that the rabbi was too clever. The Jews could stay in Italy. <BR/><BR/>Later the cardinals met with the Pope and asked him what had happened. <BR/><BR/>The Pope said, 'First I held up three fingers to represent the<BR/>Trinity. He responded by holding up a single finger to remind me there is still only one God common to both our beliefs. <BR/><BR/>Then, I waved my finger around my head to show him that God was all<BR/>around us. He responded by pointing to the ground to show that God was also right here with us. <BR/><BR/>I pulled out the wine and water to show that God absolves us of all<BR/>our sins. He pulled out an apple to remind me of the original sin. <BR/><BR/>He bested me at every move and I could not continue. <BR/><BR/>Meanwhile, the Jewish community gathered to ask the rabbi how he had won. <BR/><BR/>'I haven't a clue' the rabbi said. 'First, he told me that we had three days to get out of Italy, so I gave him the finger. <BR/><BR/>'Then he tells me that the whole country would be cleared of Jews and I told him that we were staying right here.' <BR/><BR/>'And then what?' asked a woman. <BR/><BR/>'Who knows?' said the rabbi. 'He took out his lunch so I took out mine.'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-69466652305282245422009-02-20T21:09:00.000-08:002009-02-20T21:09:00.000-08:00I think we are all off our meds this evening. Chr...I think we are all off our meds this evening. Christ is the Alpha and the Omega, so, as you say He is the cause of all history before and after, and we are moving toward Him as the culmination of history. <BR/><BR/>wv: I see <I>pardis</I> by the dashboard light.mushroomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07651027035577798096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-35618716997448940972009-02-20T20:08:00.000-08:002009-02-20T20:08:00.000-08:00What, someone came along that wants to kill Christ...What, someone came along that wants to kill Christians? Naaaa you don't say who woulda thunk it<BR/><BR/>I mean its not like its all through the New Testament or nothin<BR/><BR/>Oh wait it isEphrem Antony Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032465992619034619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-51957956150062590852009-02-20T17:08:00.000-08:002009-02-20T17:08:00.000-08:00I have a couple of close Muslim friends -- one who...I have a couple of close Muslim friends -- one whom I work with.<BR/><BR/>Sometimes I will ask him where his suicide belt is, or inquire as to how the jihad is going, or make some other such un-PC joke. <BR/><BR/>He usually responds by calling me a Zionest infidel and threatening to behead me. <BR/><BR/>Other times he will ask for news about my family living in "Palestine." They live in Tel Aviv.<BR/> <BR/>It's all quite humorous and good-natured. We are good friends and work well together. <BR/><BR/>If only all Muslims were secular Turks...<BR/><BR/><BR/>Qur’an 9:5 <BR/><BR/>"Fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem; <BR/><BR/>Qur’an 9:29 <BR/><BR/>"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." <BR/><BR/>Qur’an 5:51 <BR/><BR/>"O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them for friendship is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-86736260566275198452009-02-20T17:02:00.000-08:002009-02-20T17:02:00.000-08:00Well how about if we hear a little about what isla...Well how about if we hear a little about what islam has to say. Right from the horse's ass:<BR/><BR/>In blasphemy indeed are those that say that God is Christ the son of Mary. -Surah 5:17 (Yusuf Ali)<BR/><BR/> They say: "God hath begotten a son!" - Glory be to Him! He is self-sufficient! His are all things in the heavens and on earth! No warrant have ye for this! Say ye about Allah what ye know not? -Surah 10:68 (Yusuf Ali)<BR/><BR/> They said, "The Most Gracious has begotten a son"! You have uttered a gross blasphemy. The heavens are about to shatter, the earth is about to tear asunder, and the mountains are about to crumble. Because they claim that the Most Gracious has begotten a son. It is not befitting the Most Gracious that He should beget a son. –Surah 19:88-92 (Rashad Khalifa) <BR/><BR/>…the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth! -Surah 9:30<BR/>(Yusuf Ali)<BR/><BR/> ****<I>On the trinity</I><BR/> They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them. –Surah 5:73 (Yusuf Ali)<BR/><BR/> ****<I> On the crucifiction<BR/><BR/></I>That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah"; but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but <B>so it was made to appear to them,</B> and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, <B>for of a surety they killed him not:- Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself</B>; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise – Surah 4:157-8 (Yusuf Ali) [emphasis mine]<BR/><BR/>This last one just takes the cake. islam, then, reduces the most awe inspiring event in world history, to a cheap ass magic trick to fool the credulous rubes of the day.<BR/><BR/>And finally- This:<BR/><BR/> ****<I> On the Jews</I><BR/>Amongst them we (Allah) have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Judgment. Every time they kindle the fire of war, Allah doth extinguish it; but they (ever) strive to do mischief on earth. And Allah loveth not those who do mischief. -Surah 5:64 (Yusuf Ali)<BR/><BR/>I think the Torah (which predates the koan by a little while)views that a little differently <BR/><BR/>WV: JUDGE<BR/>(wv is getting a little spooky. And I mean that in a good way.)<BR/><BR/>JWMJWMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05564732483476859555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-13915717170271205462009-02-20T16:32:00.000-08:002009-02-20T16:32:00.000-08:00Islam is not something one converts to. It is som...Islam is not something one converts to. It is something one recognizes. One tends to recognize it just after the knife is drawn, but before it pierces the skin. After that it's too late.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-12683266248854577592009-02-20T16:00:00.000-08:002009-02-20T16:00:00.000-08:00Islam is not something one converts to. Its somet...Islam is not something one converts to. Its something one recognizes.<BR/><BR/>That which historically bears the name Islam has little to do with Islam rightfully understood.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-22250622738247243982009-02-20T14:42:00.000-08:002009-02-20T14:42:00.000-08:00It looks like bracketdotdotdotbracket has converte...It looks like bracketdotdotdotbracket has converted to islam. Just keep him away from sharp objects.<BR/><BR/>JWMJWMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05564732483476859555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-9319725417640373042009-02-20T13:59:00.000-08:002009-02-20T13:59:00.000-08:00OT, but somehow I missed this little gal's impassi...OT, but somehow I missed this little gal's impassioned speech... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOR1wUqvJS4Susannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16381272662339466736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-73005443489837901722009-02-20T13:35:00.000-08:002009-02-20T13:35:00.000-08:00I think this also suggests that the reach of the G...I think this also suggests that the reach of the Gospel is unknown, since places that are Muslim - since Islam is a political system - contain truly faithful persons who would accept the Gospel given the chance. But Paul already talked about this, like what, 1900+ years ago? Old news.<BR/><BR/>Still, we in the West have cut apart Christendom - or shall we say, Western Christendom - in trying to find 'the perfect system'. So you really have an unmooring of the Catholic Church from the Orthodox Faith - the result is that the Western Church remained structurally sound and still holds its See, but the East held the doctrine more closely and lost all of its Sees. Sure, the truth is more complex than that, but I think that outlines it nicely. <BR/><BR/>[Antioch, Alexandria, Constantinople and Jerusalem are no longer under Christian control.]<BR/><BR/>N.B. Don't forget that the Koran gave birth to both the system of Islamic states - or is partner to it - that puts those workaday muslims in that situation.Ephrem Antony Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032465992619034619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-49375934858618929162009-02-20T13:27:00.000-08:002009-02-20T13:27:00.000-08:00Well, the workaday Muslim is not an Islamist, this...Well, the workaday Muslim is not an Islamist, this is true. To demonstrate this fact is the historical evidence that when an Islamic empire lost control of certain territories, they converted back to Christendom. <BR/><BR/>This doesn't excuse the fact that there are huge, huge problems with the Koran and the system of Islam itself, but the people are mostly people. They can become a crowd, and God help us if we can't reach them before they're shouting "Crucify!"<BR/><BR/>And of course their leaders do bear responsibility for how they mislead or cause harm.Ephrem Antony Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032465992619034619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-32759025515942115222009-02-20T10:52:00.000-08:002009-02-20T10:52:00.000-08:00LOL, Bob! I can't believe that video hasn't been ...LOL, Bob! I can't believe that video hasn't been yanked yet! I need to read the entire "blogging the Koran" series on Hot Air.Susannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16381272662339466736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-9979813775888280732009-02-20T10:41:00.000-08:002009-02-20T10:41:00.000-08:00"In this regard, Jesus doesn't just give meaning t..."In this regard, Jesus doesn't just give meaning to history, but somehow "is himself history," or "the living center of history itself." Bob, you touched on some of my favorite scriptures in this post! Philippians 2:5ff, Hebrews 1:3, and especially the Colossians passage... "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross." ...I especially love to contemplate: "...all things were created through him and for him...in him all things hold together." The whole passage is glorious.Susannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16381272662339466736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-88743541488599388922009-02-20T10:29:00.000-08:002009-02-20T10:29:00.000-08:00No, this is the difference.No, <A HREF="http://hotair.com/archives/2009/02/19/video-the-koran-challenge/" REL="nofollow">this</A> is the difference.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-59745768359808865522009-02-20T10:27:00.000-08:002009-02-20T10:27:00.000-08:00Islam_vere - Assalamu alaikum. Respectfully, if yo...Islam_vere - <BR/><BR/>Assalamu alaikum. Respectfully, if you are a knowledgeable Muslim, it may be important for you to seriously consider these words:<BR/>_____<BR/>[Jesus said]"I and the Father are one."<BR/>Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?"<BR/>"We are not stoning you for any good work," they replied, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." <BR/>(John 10:30-33)<BR/>_____<BR/>[For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the word and the Holy Spirit, and these three are One.] "And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. The one who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the witness that God has borne concerning His Son. And the witness is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. (I John 5:8-12)<BR/>_____<BR/>And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life. (I John 5:20)<BR/>_____<BR/><BR/>That is the difference. The difference is everything.NoMohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01100042056270224683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-19942985384547995582009-02-20T10:16:00.000-08:002009-02-20T10:16:00.000-08:00I was right about the meds. I just checked the si...I was right about the meds. I just checked the site meter, and there have been no visitors from Turkey.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-45344086973794539332009-02-20T10:02:00.000-08:002009-02-20T10:02:00.000-08:00From childish to adolescent in one comment. I cal...From childish to adolescent in one comment. I call that progress.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-21908933810763918132009-02-20T09:59:00.000-08:002009-02-20T09:59:00.000-08:00Always with a glib retort.'In the beginners mind t...Always with a glib retort.<BR/><BR/>'In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts' there are few.'<BR/><BR/>You need to re-discover your beginners mind.<BR/><BR/>This is what it means to be like a child.<BR/><BR/>I know you pretend to be childlike, but you are actually just childish.<BR/><BR/>Don't be so adolescent as to assume that anyone trying to tell you something is your opponent who needs to be rebelled against.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-27358109184106225212009-02-20T09:43:00.000-08:002009-02-20T09:43:00.000-08:00Hey, give me a little credit. After all, all that ...Hey, give me a little credit. After all, all that you have written seems to me like straw compared to what has been revealed to me.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.com