tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post8734425910512370633..comments2024-03-29T06:03:45.545-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: MSNBC: Not Monstrous Jokers, Just Ahead of the CurveGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger70125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-57217503396098116342012-09-09T07:31:18.913-07:002012-09-09T07:31:18.913-07:00Perhaps a better metaphor is that he is a producer...Perhaps a better metaphor is that he is a producer and perveyor of the finest snake oil this side of Western Civilization:<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTZmyZ8jtw0#t=1m49s<br /><br />The panacea for all societies' ills. <br /><br />Better? :)Cond0011https://www.blogger.com/profile/04576204654819543273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-32079462971545352812012-09-08T13:24:50.221-07:002012-09-08T13:24:50.221-07:00Cond0011 said "This is why Karl Marx has his ...Cond0011 said "This is why Karl Marx has his face on t-shirts of common men and Rousseau does not."<br /><br />I wouldn't disagree with that, but still, 'Engineer' seems to give him more intellectual respect than I can muster. He was a salesmen, a marketer, and in that role, he did an outstanding job of repackaging the ideas of others into a product that would sell to generations who'd been raised on those ideas, but hadn't actually grasped their implications.<br /><br />And I'm pleased that Marx is the face on the T-Shirts, rather than Rousseau's - I'm sure if you put your ear to Rousseau's grave, it'd sound like a clothesdryer filled with lumpy clothes on high heat, what with the amount of turning over in his grave he's doing over the slight of it. Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-67676813075999706002012-09-08T09:18:20.890-07:002012-09-08T09:18:20.890-07:00Hi Van,
Karl Marx's ideas are simplistic at b...Hi Van,<br /><br />Karl Marx's ideas are simplistic at best (comparative to the names of the Philosophers you mentioned). He also applied his philosophy to politics by works such as 'The Communist Manifesto' which allowed certain political rabble rousers something to grasp so they had a vessel for their pursuit for raw unadulterated power - thus my 'engineering' comment. The Philosophers you mention never got down to the brass tacks of making a 'workable' system for people to live-by such a Marx did (and 'Muhammad' with his Quran, or John smith with his book of Mormon). None of them dared to shape and mold a religious/political ideology.<br /><br />This is why Karl Marx has his face on t-shirts of common men and Rousseau does not.<br /><br />On the other hand, I believe Marx is roasting in hell for such an abomination that he has inflicted upon humanity - but thats just me.Cond0011https://www.blogger.com/profile/04576204654819543273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-68052538434498188602012-09-02T14:56:38.610-07:002012-09-02T14:56:38.610-07:00Cond0011 said "Karl Marx was the first to eng...Cond0011 said "Karl Marx was the first to engineer it into application (Then Lenin, then Mao...)"<br /><br />I think you're still giving Marx far more credit than he's due; you'd be hard-pressed to show a single significant idea that he originated or first 'engineered' into place.<br /><br />IMHO he was little better than an opportunistic marketeer who repackaged the ideas of others, Rousseau in particular (Western Civilization as a sickness, denial of Free Will, the environment as shaping the masses, the evils of private property, monogamy, etc) and Hume, Kant & Hegel, into something that would sell well to the tenor of the times.<br /><br />And besides... it's ironical fun thinking of the father of modern communism as a slick salesman... and pisses off leftists to no end.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-34810464369198640002012-09-02T12:20:39.082-07:002012-09-02T12:20:39.082-07:00"In Experiments Against Reality, Roger Kimbal..."In Experiments Against Reality, Roger Kimball notes that "Of all nineteenth-century thinkers, perhaps only Karl Marx surpasses Nietzsche in his influence on the twentieth century," to such an extent that "much of what makes the modern world modern also makes it Nietzschean." <br /><br />Nietzche was the Theorist - an originator of Modern Day Nihilism, Karl Marx was the first to engineer it into application (Then Lenin, then Mao...). But I shouldn't give him all the credit. After all, The French Revolution and its attempt to supplant god with a manufactured Idol (Robspierre and the cult of the supreme Being) came before Nietzsche - along with all the destruction that followed such an abomination.<br /><br />"We would take atheists more seriously if they took their own doctrine as seriously as did Nietzsche, all the way into nihilism, amorality, and madness."<br /><br />Absolutely, Bob. In this era, its hip to be an Atheist. Thank goodness, virtually all of them do not follow its logic into the depths. <br /><br />Brrrrr....... <br /><br />"...you'd be desperate for the monsters around you to grasp some dim notion of obligation to transcendent demands, like "it's not good to strangle a guy for his cigarets." ...If God is dead and atheism is the case, then Nietzsche is quite correct that man is necessarily "beyond good and evil." <br /><br />Its no small wonder that as an animal, via scientific evidence, we almost became extinct.Cond0011https://www.blogger.com/profile/04576204654819543273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-31118470950625177282012-09-01T10:09:51.610-07:002012-09-01T10:09:51.610-07:00"Here is what tears a person such as Nietsche..."Here is what tears a person such as Nietsche apart from the inside out. As Erich Heller wrote (quoted in Kimball), Nietzsche "had the passion for truth" but "no belief in it"; and "this is the stuff from which demons are made" (emphasis mine)."<br /><br />Yeats' <a href="http://www.potw.org/archive/potw351.html" rel="nofollow">"The Second Coming"</a> comes to mind:<br /><i>"...Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;<br /> Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,<br /> The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere<br /> The ceremony of innocence is drowned;<br /> The best lack all conviction, while the worst<br /> Are full of passionate intensity..."</i><br /><br />Interesting how it fits with the pesticism of the other day "<i>that well-known pest, the person who becomes a revolutionary because he "has been unable to endure himself.</i>", what other option is there when you have a passion for truth, but no belief in it, but to inflict your substitute upon others?<br />Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-65717795308156601582012-08-31T08:13:44.633-07:002012-08-31T08:13:44.633-07:00What really opened up her writing for me was readi...What really opened up her writing for me was reading some of her letters. She was insistent in writing to a friend that all of her stories were a depiction of a "moment of grace".<br /><br />She wrote about a powerful and loving, but jealous God, who is not content to have us mucking around with lesser lovers and distractions. <br /><br />The moments of grace she depicts are the actions of a God who is determined to get the attention of his bride, to break through whatever illusions and false hopes they have set up for themselves. "Good Country People" is, to my mind, one of the easiest of her stories in which to see these themes.<br /><br />We tend to think of grace as a peaceful, vague sort of thing. She saw it as the actions of a determined God, breaking through to His beloved at any cost, often violently.<br /><br />What often makes her writing so haunting is not just the violence of this Grace, but that the stories tend to end just as the focal character's defenses come crashing down around them. We rarely get to see their response.Paul Griffinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11266956202232070017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-91791559326213086432012-08-31T07:56:23.602-07:002012-08-31T07:56:23.602-07:00I had to read her when I was in college, but was c...I had to read her when I was in college, but was completely ill-equipped at the time... Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-53316284845371803702012-08-31T07:54:17.105-07:002012-08-31T07:54:17.105-07:00...or you can just throw all analysis out the wind......or you can just throw all analysis out the window and soak in the eerie, often terrifying, sanctity of her stories.Paul Griffinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11266956202232070017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-69322908230171231022012-08-31T07:47:48.174-07:002012-08-31T07:47:48.174-07:00Ah, O'Connor. It still amazes me that in spit...Ah, O'Connor. It still amazes me that in spite of how openly and frequently she discussed her writing, none of it ever loses its mystery. You can discover the themes she discusses, discuss her goals in writing a particular story, and re-read the stories over and over with an analytical eye for a lifetime without ever exhausting the mysteries of her writing. There's always more "there" there, waiting to be discovered.Paul Griffinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11266956202232070017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-82711954115546894942012-08-31T05:28:43.817-07:002012-08-31T05:28:43.817-07:00Or if you need something shorter than McCarthy, th...Or if you need something shorter than McCarthy, there's O'Connor's the Misfit:<br /><br /><i>Jesus was the only One that ever raised the dead . . . and He shouldn't have done it. he thrown everything off balance. If He did what he said, then it's nothing for you to do but throw everything away and follow Him, and if he didn't, then it's nothing for you to do but enjoy the few minutes you got left the best way you can - by killing somebody or burning down his house or doing some other meanness to him.. . .</i><br /><br />Salhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13201226644704622876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-76767398767989925312012-08-31T04:06:33.926-07:002012-08-31T04:06:33.926-07:00Sir Clint! You may have been better off w/ a telep...Sir Clint! You may have been better off w/ a teleprompter or our suggested 'brevity' approach.... just happened to arrive at <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAZppPSbxxs&feature=related" rel="nofollow">this most memorable performance</a> to refresh the palategehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02015936407999495181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-71715884108947079152012-08-30T23:08:51.524-07:002012-08-30T23:08:51.524-07:00MSNBC sure has a crack(pot) team to diecipher all ...MSNBC sure has a crack(pot) team to diecipher all those code words spoken by conservatives.<br /><br />They enjoy murdering language. <br /><br />After pondering it awhile, Clint may be right, Biden may very well be the intellect of the democrat party.<br /><br />After driving Artur Davis away who do they got left? USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-9752614073555760122012-08-30T23:04:00.477-07:002012-08-30T23:04:00.477-07:00MSNBC is the Joe Biden of journalism. Every day ...MSNBC is the Joe Biden of journalism. Every day they discover some creative new way to be nuts.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-30029077869564732482012-08-30T22:51:41.877-07:002012-08-30T22:51:41.877-07:00Speaking of coded language, which is the latest pi...Speaking of coded language, which is the latest pitiable projection of the leftest leftists to control the narrative, Ed and Rachel both came to the same conclusion that Mitt's line about when something big needs to get done, an American is needed, was code for birtherism. Yep ... instead of following the actual speech where Mitt was emphasizing that American exceptionalism needed to be restored in the world ... the brightest msnbc has to offer thought Mitt was saying Obama wasn't an American.<br /><br />Truly pathetic.<br /> EbonyRaptorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02483546359869912858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-15524788264300936372012-08-30T22:31:32.712-07:002012-08-30T22:31:32.712-07:00I spoke too soon ... what's that on the bottom...I spoke too soon ... what's that on the bottom of my shoe?EbonyRaptorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02483546359869912858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-31411386826712146612012-08-30T22:27:28.674-07:002012-08-30T22:27:28.674-07:00That was my thought, Bob. Afterall, Obama is alway...That was my thought, Bob. Afterall, Obama is always wanting people to let him be clear. <br /><br />USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-84861199220567927262012-08-30T22:23:10.104-07:002012-08-30T22:23:10.104-07:00I forgot, the donks secret weapon: a fake Indian! ...I forgot, the donks secret weapon: a fake Indian! <br /><br />Everyone like fake Indians.USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-22847301371729396832012-08-30T22:22:14.765-07:002012-08-30T22:22:14.765-07:00What could be more kind than tearing a hole in Won...What could be more kind than tearing a hole in Won?Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-5847553281653624472012-08-30T22:22:00.832-07:002012-08-30T22:22:00.832-07:00I wonder if they will drop condoms instead of ball...I wonder if they will drop condoms instead of balloons at the DNC convention?<br />It would be keeping with their theme.<br /><br />Oh, and those Code Pink clowns dressed as vaginas. They should get lots of those freaks running around.<br /><br />The DNC keynote speakers are gonna be comedy gold and prime insultainment.<br /><br />Charlie Christ! Sandra Floozy! NARAL! NOW! <br /><br />I can see that going over well for middle America. USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-28008416360107452012012-08-30T21:54:34.444-07:002012-08-30T21:54:34.444-07:00True story, but not in the "paulist" vei...True story, but not in the "paulist" vein of truth (or as I heard on the street tonight, "If I'm Lyin' I'm Ryan!"):<br /><br />After watching tonight's Daily Show, I thought I'd check in with a different viewpoint for some balance. After a few feeder bands, I sought the eye of the storm, the OC community.<br /><br />After a time away, what struck me anew was the coded language, still at the førefrönt. (Pardon me if I can't remember why you are obfuscating your message. I think, last I checked, that it's because the restüvus are too dumb to understand and it's too much trouble to bring mere mortals up to speed, right? That, and we can't possess sufficient <i>adaequatio</i> to perceive the acuteness of your viewpoints unless we've slogged through your book...? I can't remember, as the OC truth is one balanced on a razor's edge. I do remember that.)<br /><br />Anyhoo, here's as far as I got:<br /><br /><br />Gagdad Bob said...<br />It seems to me that normal people become more sweet and kind as they age. Which probably explains why they become more conservative. Conversely, there's always something pathetic and more than a little seedy about an old radical.<br /><br />8/30/2012 05:10:00 PM<br /> USS Ben USN (Ret) said...<br />Romney really tore a hole in Won.<br /><br /><br />Mirrors are still førbidden in ØC, I take it?<br /><br />Keep fighting the good fight, cistern & brethren. You are dearer to me than you'd imagine. Please don't change.<br /><br />RexHoward Cowardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17893009257451878245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-18135886405542876392012-08-30T21:37:51.435-07:002012-08-30T21:37:51.435-07:00John Hayward@Doc_0
MSNBC: when you want to hear...John Hayward@Doc_0<br /><br /> MSNBC: when you want to hear the psychotic delusions of people who listen to every third word of a major speech."<br /><br />And the other words that were never said.<br />USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-15479662185974556782012-08-30T21:10:40.084-07:002012-08-30T21:10:40.084-07:00Aye! :^)Aye! :^)USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-67003988399808921332012-08-30T20:36:57.760-07:002012-08-30T20:36:57.760-07:00Ben-
...and not a moment too soon!Ben-<br /><br />...and not a moment too soon!Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06708393262849661076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-20141475101560686232012-08-30T20:28:28.470-07:002012-08-30T20:28:28.470-07:00That's it, Jack!That's it, Jack! USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.com