tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post7644988239588572945..comments2024-03-18T13:34:06.557-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: On Touching GodGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-78118962820727472132009-08-12T05:48:03.933-07:002009-08-12T05:48:03.933-07:00Most of us have experienced this state, for exampl...Most of us have experienced this state, for example, if you have ever been truly depressed. "Sadness" is only an effect of depression. In my opinion, the real basis of it is a kind of exile into a hellish domain that loses its intersubjective depth. One can neither reach "in" nor "out." Nor can anyone else reach in."<br /><br />That's one of the best descriptions of the effects of depression I have read, Bob.<br /><br />It's literally paralyzing, which brings about despair, which is worse than sadness, I think.<br />In extreme depression it's easy to lose hope.<br />Or rather, lose our grasp of Hope.USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-26338324870103759642009-08-12T05:35:50.556-07:002009-08-12T05:35:50.556-07:00Think of our consciousness as a kind of infinite a...Think of our consciousness as a kind of infinite abyss. "<br /><br />As opposed to infinitely abysmal?<br />:^)<br /><br />Outstanding post, Bob!USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-80901384382990441642009-08-11T19:00:10.502-07:002009-08-11T19:00:10.502-07:00Unlike Bob my oldest Child is 19 years old. My oth...Unlike Bob my oldest Child is 19 years old. My other two are 16 and 11. 19 years ago I was just getting serious about evaluating my subconscious belief systems or mind parasites as I have come to see them.<br />The major joy that I experience with my children comes from the fact that when I eliminate my parasites the mirror effect disappears and they no longer seem to have that issue.<br /><br />It is my gift to them and myself and perhaps someday they will appreciate the effort involved. Or not.<br />It's never too late to skin this particular cat.Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-75466247241891983622009-08-11T15:58:15.362-07:002009-08-11T15:58:15.362-07:00But to get back to the topic at hand, this quote (...But to get back to the topic at hand, this quote (in <i>Cosmic Liturgy</i>, pg.90, but I can't tell who wrote it) on the divine mystery is a nice follow-up to NoMo's:<br /><br /><i>God is the one who scatters the seeds of agape (charity) and eros (yearning), for he has brought these things that were within him outside himself in the act of creation. That is why we read, "God is love", and in the Song of Songs he is called agape, and also "sweetness" and "desire", which are what eros means. For he is the one who is truly loveable and desirable. Because this loving desire has flowed out of him, he - its creator - is said to be himself in love; but insofar as he is himself the one who is truly loveable and desirable, he moves everything that looks toward him and that possesses, in its own way, the power of yearning.</i>juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-23735239404297752732009-08-11T14:00:03.455-07:002009-08-11T14:00:03.455-07:00Thanks, NoMo - that's just beautiful.
Now I a...Thanks, NoMo - that's just beautiful.<br /><br />Now I almost feel guilty for posting this <a href="http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1249418581579" rel="nofollow">complete non-sequiter</a>. Almost.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-63450646029245432722009-08-11T13:55:21.262-07:002009-08-11T13:55:21.262-07:00To Love God is to touch God.
John wrote:
Beloved...To Love God is to touch God.<br /><br />John wrote:<br /><br />Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. <br /><br />The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love. By this the love of God was manifested in us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world so that we might live through Him. <br /><br />In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. <br /><br />Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. <br />No one has seen God at any time; if we love one another, God abides in us, and His love is perfected in us. <br /><br />By this we know that we abide in Him and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit. We have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world. Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God. <br /><br />We have come to know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and the one who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him. <br /><br />We love, because He first loved us. <br /><br />(I Jn 4)NoMohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01100042056270224683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-44062717515236117562009-08-11T11:48:57.105-07:002009-08-11T11:48:57.105-07:00In error i made my comment on yesterdays post. It...In error i made my comment on yesterdays post. It's for today... beautiful post, Bobtaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04766992344429078871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-3046087555287877252009-08-11T11:23:18.308-07:002009-08-11T11:23:18.308-07:00"Thus, for example, to say that "God doe..."Thus, for example, to say that "God doesn't exist," is not a statement about God, but about one's own intersubjective space, which is unable to breach the walls of its own self-imposed limits."<br /><br />Ooh...<br /><br />"But it's not just a religious problem. Many people are unable to truly love. Why? Because they are closed off from the intersubjective ground without which love could not exist. "<br /><br /><i>Click!</i>Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-41138528448151012342009-08-11T11:20:53.889-07:002009-08-11T11:20:53.889-07:00oops! my "yep" was for Anonoops! my "yep" was for AnonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-32498311036263805792009-08-11T11:14:01.028-07:002009-08-11T11:14:01.028-07:00No doubt human beings are "open systems"...No doubt human beings are "open systems" on the spiritual plane, just as they are on the psychological and material planes. However, in order to directly know the essence of another, we would have to <i>be</i> them, and therefore no longer us.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-90972459733749176562009-08-11T11:09:30.616-07:002009-08-11T11:09:30.616-07:00Bob wrote:
"That is, no matter how close you...Bob wrote:<br /><br />"That is, no matter how close you get to another human being, they nevertheless remain completely inaccessible in terms of a first hand knowledge of their essence. Rather, all you can know of them is their energies -- speech, movement, facial expressions." <br /><br />Bob, I would say this statement is incomplete to the point of being misleading. <br /><br />There are other forces operant besides those cited. There are mental/vital energies that radiate from us and interpenetrate other people, and vice versa.<br /><br />We are all marinating in the thought/vital formations coming from other people and additionally from beings on the vital and mental planes.<br /><br />These formations influence us subliminally but also sometimes consciously, as when you and your companion utter the same thing at the same time. This common phenomenon is sometimes coincidence but other times the statements are too unlikely to be ascribed to chance. These are contagious thoughts and there are many more that pass unoticed by the waking consciousness but are active in other areas of the mind.<br /><br />Vital formations like lust can be transmitted/recieved. Psychic formations can be percieved (these are beneficial). Formations from small vital beings on the vital plane are harmful or playfull. Larger, more malignant vital beings (the real 'trolls') can be a major annoyance sometimes.<br /><br />So, we can percieve another person on a very essential level, and all too often it is not a good thing. We all can identify people who vamipize our emotional energy or otherwise harm us, but are hard pressed to say how exactly. Now you know; there is an unequal exchange--they suck more vital energy from you than they give back, creating an imbalance. <br /><br />It is because the brain/body is both a sender and reciever of mental and vital energy. Believe you intuitions.<br /><br />This is all well described by Sri Aurobindo and the Mother among others.<br /><br />But, as Bob notes and I do not contest, for the surface consciousness there is the appearance that one cannot know the essence of another person. <br /><br />Howevever, by going within and suspended doubt, one can see what is really going on, and from this position of knowledge comes protection and power.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-56192114605869346882009-08-11T10:03:47.262-07:002009-08-11T10:03:47.262-07:00I'm with Seinfeld. When I look at most other ...I'm with Seinfeld. When I look at most other children, I want to whisper to my wife, "hey, what's with the shape of that kid's head?"Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-40712575517363231342009-08-11T09:56:11.706-07:002009-08-11T09:56:11.706-07:00“What is political correctness but a kind of soul-...“What is political correctness but a kind of soul-crushing parental wet blanket that forecloses various avenues of thought, and therefore being?”<br /><br />Speaking of children, I think this fits well within the term of “stumbling blocks”. And that kinda bad ranks pretty much right up there with the Lord.<br /><br />Incidentally, Bob, the little fella on the cover of the Philosophical Baby bareass a striking resemblance to FL.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-30613508357305523682009-08-11T09:42:48.873-07:002009-08-11T09:42:48.873-07:00“And yet, I obviously haven't left my own head...“And yet, I obviously haven't left my own head. I haven't actually moved at all.”<br /><br />I know this is not exactly what you are getting at at the moment, but it reminds of Bion’s term, was it, dual control? He gave the example of a blind man using his walking stick – how his mind transports itself into the tip of the stick in a way.<br /><br />I remember watching this documentary about, maybe it was the Titanic. They were using Remotely Operated Vehicles (ROV) – mini unmanned subs while the pilots of the ROVs sat in another larger submarine on the seafloor. It’s too dark down there to see anything so the pilots maneuver the ROVs around by looking through the video cameras on the ROVs that feed the video back into the larger submarine on to video monitors. In other worlds, they look at the video monitors to direct where the ROVs are going. One of the pilots remarked about sort of a out of body re-enter shock when he inadvertently turned the ROV’s view back at the larger sub and saw a strange man in the porthole looking back at him– it was himself.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-55866240148510037932009-08-11T08:28:28.114-07:002009-08-11T08:28:28.114-07:00I'm kind of surprised you're still playing...I'm kind of surprised you're still playing the game, Abdul - Van caught on to your gimmick last week. <br /><br />Ah, well - if you can't think of anything interesting to say, regurgitated gibberish will suffice.<br /><br />Not that I have much of interest to add, either - this is just one of those posts to which the only response is "yes, exactly."juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-91561076813689938122009-08-11T08:16:14.927-07:002009-08-11T08:16:14.927-07:00Is already really one, of that you its boy with th...Is already really one, of that you its boy with those of four years with its idiot of the faith and is obsolete doctrine. That you foretell the end to say that the thunderclap is God papers? And it did that they are its functions of the birth, position where God touched? Lest you cut to the hunting--Their lecturers of, in this small circus, that the term of the work is paying to him, but in the engine. Feet of deflections of the cord I now, wonder does near the person of me. It would want to him and it would catch outside, AbdulAbdulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-50051719881775337422009-08-11T08:12:54.424-07:002009-08-11T08:12:54.424-07:00The book we've been focusing on for the past f...<i>The book we've been focusing on for the past few weeks -- Cosmic Liturgy -- is 400 pages long, and we're only up to page 80.</i> <br /><br />Oh good - at least I'm not too far behind, then. Now to read the post...juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.com