tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post7512741066077155863..comments2024-03-27T11:16:36.951-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: It is Not Good that Man Should be AlloneGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-12215019409443654732011-07-08T22:30:13.989-07:002011-07-08T22:30:13.989-07:00Though at the time, I'm quite sure "relax...Though at the time, I'm quite sure "relaxing" wasn't a word I would have used. Also have to disagree about the depth and height, but humor can be both deep and high as well.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-21128371063715661972011-07-08T22:26:54.409-07:002011-07-08T22:26:54.409-07:00Humorous... yes, it is most definitely that. Thank...Humorous... yes, it is most definitely that. Thanks for the reminder.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-2437348995745276612011-07-08T21:29:18.341-07:002011-07-08T21:29:18.341-07:00"I have an inkling that the Love that is the ..."I have an inkling that the Love that is the center of it all knows us with a clarity we would find overwhelming, even devastating, if we grasped even the smallest portion; ...."<br /><br />Shades of Avila. Actually, it is relaxing and humorous, neither overwhelming nor devastating, although one recognizes that that could be the case during the event and after.<br /><br />But it isn't. It's humiliating and thorough beyond imagining, but utterly satisfying and familiar. The truth is really not very deep, or high. And it's funny. And unforgettable, thank God!David R. Grahamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16416692639208634879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-76176780209290078112011-07-08T21:18:01.841-07:002011-07-08T21:18:01.841-07:00Relationship is dualistic. Love (i.e. as I think ...Relationship is dualistic. Love (i.e. as I think you mean it, agape love) is non-dualistic. Libido, philia and eros love are dualistic. <br />Relationship is either libido (superior to inferior), philia (equal to equal) or eros (inferior to superior). Only agape love is unconditional and therefore non-dualistic.David R. Grahamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16416692639208634879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-50472356859677016152011-07-08T07:56:26.433-07:002011-07-08T07:56:26.433-07:00Since he hasn't mentioned it, I'm going to...Since he hasn't mentioned it, I'm going to - <a href="http://robinstarfish.blogspot.com/2011/07/attractor-beam.html" rel="nofollow">OC-inspired haiku</a> at the Motel today...juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-19545958971790107182011-07-07T21:39:46.290-07:002011-07-07T21:39:46.290-07:00Heh - it had crossed my mind to take a look, but I...Heh - it had crossed my mind to take a look, but I hate to drive up their numbers. On the other hand, I'm glad one of them finally started his own blog. Silly creatures - I was tempted to give them grief for having nothing better to do on the 4th than froth at the mouth over here, but I was too busy having fun with the family.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-49323608473578466252011-07-07T21:05:35.744-07:002011-07-07T21:05:35.744-07:00I probably shouldn't, but I've been having...I probably shouldn't, but I've been having fun perusing the 'bobwatch' crowd - busying themsoph safeguarding the internets from the B'ob.<br /><br />They're even dredging up ancient posts from such trolloc spawn as mtcraven, inty, etc, as corroboration and proof of Gagdad's malevolent and destructive influence on the world.<br /><br />I shouldn't encourage 'em, I know, but such comedy gold... free of charge... what can I say.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-6354277083401429302011-07-07T20:19:51.477-07:002011-07-07T20:19:51.477-07:00Oh, yes. Thanks. I remember, Bob mentioning somet...Oh, yes. Thanks. I remember, Bob mentioning something about running a slightly tighter ship around here. <br /><br />There was a commenter "anon" a few days ago but it was, um, not anonymous. <br /><br />Duh!John Lienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15607964922479543670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-87798701326608525972011-07-07T18:06:52.760-07:002011-07-07T18:06:52.760-07:00Contra, thanks :) I have one already, but it tends...Contra, thanks :) <a href="http://juliecork.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">I have one already</a>, but it tends more toward the visual than the verbal...<br /><br />John, Bob switched off the Anonymous comments a few weeks ago. I agree, it is fun that way but unfortunately the trolls prefer it, too.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-15847573933168381512011-07-07T17:34:35.449-07:002011-07-07T17:34:35.449-07:00Hi Bob, Are we doing away with anonymous comments ...Hi Bob, Are we doing away with anonymous comments now? Looks that way from my screen. Maybe that's a good thing but anonymity can be great fun. I do love a good sockpuppet show.<br /><br />Swiftone, I feel for you. As a father of a young bride, I wish my daughter and son-in-law had some, more, any(?), religion. Times are tough for a couple of BA liberal arts grads. <br /><br />Also, to others who share personal, sometimes painful stories. I hear you and I appreciate your courage.<br />I hope it helps a tiny bit that some unknown person out in the middle of nowhere cares some tiny amount for you. (Wait, Bob has pretty much convinced me that love is a non-local phenomena so I guess the distance thing really isn't an issue.)John Lienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15607964922479543670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-68652937885016065342011-07-07T16:55:55.024-07:002011-07-07T16:55:55.024-07:00Julie,
You might consider your own blog.Julie,<br />You might consider your own blog.Contra Rebelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09069882767235492654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-41772564286718913932011-07-07T15:56:26.233-07:002011-07-07T15:56:26.233-07:00Criminy - this woman needs to step away from the K...Criminy - <a href="http://www.thefrisky.com/post/246-soap-box-why-i-must-consider-nonmonogamy/" rel="nofollow">this woman</a> needs to step away from the Kool-Aid:<br /><br />“Being a straight woman, who may want to get married someday, means I have to entertain the notion of having a nonmonogamous marriage.”<br /><br />Interestingly, it's not what she wants for herself, she just either doesn't find herself loveable/ valuable enough to hold a man's attention for the long haul, or she has a very low opinion of men in general, and as a result will probably choose exactly the sort of schmuck who thinks an open marriage would be awesome. <br /><br />The sad part is how many of the commenters agree with her.<br /><br />I'm pretty sure that if I had gone into my marriage with such low expectations, I'd not still be married and we'd both be worse people as a result.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-4363282325431977342011-07-07T14:40:34.206-07:002011-07-07T14:40:34.206-07:00Or, via Vanderleun, there's the easy way...
;)...Or, via Vanderleun, there's <a href="http://make-everything-ok.com/" rel="nofollow">the easy way</a>...<br />;)juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-90692750370742866642011-07-07T14:37:39.910-07:002011-07-07T14:37:39.910-07:00That's right, I had heard about the flooding. ...That's right, I had heard about the flooding. Just awful, and completely unnecessary.<br /><br />As to teaching about love, that's a tough one, and of course much depends on the details of the marriage. The best way to communicate the idea of authentic love is simply to <i>live</i> it, which of course is anything but self-evident or everyone would do it and the world would be near-perfect.<br /><br />I'll bet that everyone here loves someone - friend, family, self or spouse - who is anti-religious and who needs to be connected to that source, somehow. Me, I just try to love them as best I can, and trust that with love Christ will gain a foothold. Not cloyingly, and not in a way that indulges and encourages whatever it is that causes their problems (though here again, the ideal and my execution are two very different things). Rather, I <i>hope</i> it is with the sort of strength and depth that encourages their successes and doesn't add to their burdens in failure. And mostly, if it seems needed I try to model for them the behavior that will lead to their own success. <br /><br />Or put another way, to see clearly in love is to recognize what is needed (anything from help, to a listening ear, to a kick in the pants, or sometimes just <i>presence</i>) and to provide that whenever possible. Keeping in mind that sometimes what's needed may even be boundaries and distance. And occasionally, when the time is right, you can drop in a good word for the Good Word; if the ground is fertile, the seed will bear fruit. But it will probably take a while. Patience is helpful here, too...juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-48954830870122961152011-07-07T14:06:18.868-07:002011-07-07T14:06:18.868-07:00Just reading through comments. Julia at 10:06... ...Just reading through comments. Julia at 10:06... kinda reminds you of the Corps of Engineers and their levy projects (which probably doesn't make sense unless you got the Corps' flood in NO and are getting soused now in ND and down stream.)swiftonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00532818697764708659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-4736238601324702002011-07-07T14:03:10.112-07:002011-07-07T14:03:10.112-07:00...everyone "lives, above all, for love. The ...<i>...everyone "lives, above all, for love. The ability to love authentically, not great intellectual capacity, is what constitutes the deepest part of a personality. It is no accident that the greatest commandment is to love. Authentic love leads us outside ourselves to affirming others.</i><br /><br />Someone tell me how to communicate this to an antireligious daughter whose marriage is foundering. If it comes from Wjotila it's pahson before we begin. Let me be loving, please, please...swiftonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00532818697764708659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-4995065219743919792011-07-07T12:52:02.444-07:002011-07-07T12:52:02.444-07:00"Even deeper than love -- or, perhaps we shou..."Even deeper than love -- or, perhaps we should say a predicate of love -- is relationship."<br /><br />And/or, or maybe aka, integration.<br /><br />"As such, I believe it would be slightly more accurate to say that relationship is at the foundation of Wojtyla's metaphysic, and that love is at the center of his theology. "<br /><br />That is well put.<br /><br /><br />"To get from the former to the latter requires the "leap of faith," in that it is possible -- even necessary -- to arrive at relationship using pure logic and no revelation at all. "<br /><br />True.<br /><br />"But to know that this is a relation of love requires the lovers to reveal themselves as one in an eternal circle of lover-loved-love. In my view, everyman is a trincarnation of this ultimate reality, which is why it is not good that he should be allone -- which he cannot be anyway, because deep down he is always allthree."<br /><br />, and Excellent.<br /><br />(I'm practicing my brevity. Besides, Julie already said more than what I was thinking, and said it much better.)<br /><br />wv:sumbeeds<br />A Catholic thing I suppose?Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-6973703113759755432011-07-07T11:54:33.891-07:002011-07-07T11:54:33.891-07:00Re. the Taranto heading, :D
Back for a moment to ...Re. the Taranto heading, :D<br /><br />Back for a moment to the topic of authentic love, one of the benefits of seeing other people clearly is that every person is such a mystery. When a person knows that he is loved for himself, that mystery doesn't dissipate, it opens and deepens, and both the loved and the lover grow as a result. In some ways, the better you know and love someone, the more mysterious they become. Also, loving and being loved tends to bring out the best in people. This is again why parental love is so important: properly expressed, it literally nourishes the very best in the developing child.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-12983480671500125552011-07-07T11:52:14.248-07:002011-07-07T11:52:14.248-07:00Crazy enough, I was just going to ask about the po...Crazy enough, I was just going to ask about the potential for a kindle/iBooks version of OC today...<br /><br />Fantastic news!Brazentidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14185966349888770222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-8103232414334683442011-07-07T11:39:57.077-07:002011-07-07T11:39:57.077-07:00Sounds like a new category for Taranto: "The...Sounds like a new category for Taranto: "The Lonely Lives of Atheists."Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-46549252351519615952011-07-07T11:13:46.352-07:002011-07-07T11:13:46.352-07:00Tangentially apropos (and, I admit, somewhat schad...Tangentially apropos (and, I admit, somewhat schadenfreudally entertaining), <a href="http://theothermccain.com/2011/07/07/rebecca-watson-stop-sexualizing-me/" rel="nofollow">atheist girl objectifies an other</a> as a scary, slavering horndog for daring to ask her for a conversation:<br /><br />"And it’s rather obvious why atheists aren’t taking over the world, isn’t it? Despite their enthusiasm for Darwin’s theories, they seem to lack the rudimentary <i>animal vigor</i> necessary to the procreative project. The world of atheism is apparently a place where nervous Nice Guys make fumbling advances toward awkward Nerd Girls — and it creeps the girls out, as well it should."<br /><br />The sexual revolution, with all of its pleasures, has been particularly ill suited for creating more of the world's most pleasurable creatures.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-91046738064504894892011-07-07T10:58:26.226-07:002011-07-07T10:58:26.226-07:00Yes, exactly! Because of course marriage at its be...Yes, exactly! Because of course marriage at its best results in children, and so you get to love both in an adult way and in a parental way, which does outshine anything you've felt before - even as it doesn't (oughtn't) replace the love for your spouse, but rather enhances it.<br /><br />Motherhood is such an incredible grace; every day brings new joys, and even when things are challenging or difficult I find I am happy to have whatever the problem is, because always there is an uppertuneity to give love. This week we're opening up more of the house for him to explore; the delight he expresses at these new little freedoms is contagious.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-38827433663398752552011-07-07T10:44:19.305-07:002011-07-07T10:44:19.305-07:00I remember vividly seeing through the game when I ...I remember vividly seeing through the game when I obtained my masters degree. To me it meant nothing, but my parents were overjoyed. It then occurred to me that this is a general principle, at least in my life: I am much happier about, say, my child taking his first step than about any accomplishment I might have had. Likewise, to make him laugh is much better even than making you folks mess your screens. Certainly just seeing is face is no comparison to seeing mine....Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-24144828946848813762011-07-07T10:33:43.565-07:002011-07-07T10:33:43.565-07:00That is, everyone "lives, above all, for love...<i>That is, everyone "lives, above all, for love. The ability to love authentically, not great intellectual capacity, is what constitutes the deepest part of a personality. It is no accident that the greatest commandment is to love. Authentic love leads us outside ourselves to affirming others."</i><br /><br />Yes. This is why it's so important to me to try and see people for who they truly are, and not for who I only think they are or ought to be. Not that I succeed, by any measure, but that is the ideal I hope to approach. Otherwise, it seems impossible to love authentically if all you see in the other is a reflection of yourself; or worse, if what you see is something less than a person.<br /><br />I have an inkling that the Love that is the center of it all knows us with a clarity we would find overwhelming, even devastating, if we grasped even the smallest portion; and yet, incomprehensibly, we are loved in <i>wholeness</i>. No man can love that way, but every man can try, and of course one of the best and fullest ways to try is within the confines of marriage.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-72568415823824948142011-07-07T10:06:04.753-07:002011-07-07T10:06:04.753-07:00I'm just thumbing through Kimball's book, ...<i>I'm just thumbing through Kimball's book, which includes Freud's well-known statement that "It is impossible to overlook the extent to which civilization is built up upon a renunciation of [sexual] instinct." Therefore, our "truest" self is our most primitive, pre-personal self, AKA our animal nature. As such, it is every man's task to "liberate" this "person" (which is really a thing). It is the exact inverse of the traditional view, which draws our animal nature up into the properly human sphere. </i><br /><br />Sexuality is a powerful force; in a way, it is like a great body of water. Channeled and contained, water brings life. But when something happens to unleash its full force, it brings about destruction, as we've seen in numerous ways this year. When enough people were convinced that sexuality needed to be freed from "repression," it is as though they willfully broke down dams or unleashed a tidal wave on an unsuspecting populace. The constraints of marriage have been breached, to the detriment of all.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.com