tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post7258457199961569624..comments2024-03-27T11:16:36.951-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: If it Looks and Talks Like a Cosmos, it Probably is OneGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-88159239203303718532009-03-11T06:26:00.000-07:002009-03-11T06:26:00.000-07:00Whitehead talks about a "consequent" nature of God...Whitehead talks about a "consequent" nature of God, which I have thought about many times myself, for can there not be some part of God that does "suffer" change? In a certain sense it seems unavoidable, so long as he participates in time.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-13432247703148199182009-03-11T06:19:00.000-07:002009-03-11T06:19:00.000-07:00I think God's body - that is the Church, evolves i...I think God's body - that is the Church, evolves insofar as its members do. Therefore there is a paradox introduced by the incarnation itself, where the impassible God becomes passable. God does not grow, but yet in Jesus, he does as a man. Not that God himself changes, but that this change is united to God through a man, through the person of the Word. (This is why the distinction - persons - who are united and actually one - is required.)<BR/><BR/>I don't know enough about Whitehead, but I would assume that a rationalist 'believer' got a hold of his ideas and mistakenly tried to use them to rationalize God. <BR/><BR/>It is as classic as the modalist heresy: When we talk about how we experience God, we are not talking about how God actually IS. <BR/><BR/>How and why this is lost on so many ... I cannot explain.Ephrem Antony Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032465992619034619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-6331470286730070312009-03-11T06:12:00.000-07:002009-03-11T06:12:00.000-07:00Yes, you might say that Whitehead, although in the...Yes, you might say that Whitehead, although in the Christian tradition, tried to come up with a natural theology that ended up contradicting Christianity. But I think that was more a result of people that came later. As far as I know, he himself did not coin the term "process theology." In a way, he's similar to Polanyi, in that he was apparently not an orhtodox believer, although many Christians find some of his ideas quite useful. As your quote points out, he was also one of the first to understand the deep connection between Christianity and science, which was considered shocking at the time.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-79386734742251789232009-03-10T22:13:00.001-07:002009-03-10T22:13:00.001-07:00Interestingly, a brilliant mind like Alfred North ...Interestingly, a brilliant mind like Alfred North Whitehead can both speak truth and inspire heresy. As far as I know he was not a professing Christian.<BR/><BR/>One of my "heroes", Francis Schaeffer, referenced Whitehead:<BR/><BR/>"Recall that, as Alfred North Whitehead said, Christianity produced modern science because it gave a context in which the early scientists such as Galileo, Copernicus, and Francis Bacon believed that the world could be understood by reason - it had been created by a reasonable God. Therefore, they were not surprised that man by his reason could find out the order of the universe. Modern man no longer has this assumption. I am convinced that science as we have known it with a commitment to objectivity can not continue now that this philosphy is gone." (The Church at the End of the 20th Century)<BR/><BR/>At the same time, the brilliance of Whitehead has inspired Christian heresy such as "process theology", in which God is evolving with His creation. See this <A HREF="http://www.religion-online.org/showchapter.asp?title=1085&C=1114" REL="nofollow">absurdity</A> for instance. What Tim <A HREF="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Timothy%204:3-4;&version=72" REL="nofollow">said</A>.<BR/><BR/>wv: eucked (pretty much)NoMohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01100042056270224683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-47598918170697550252009-03-10T22:13:00.000-07:002009-03-10T22:13:00.000-07:00Apropos of nothing, but for grins and giggles you ...Apropos of nothing, but for grins and giggles you can <A HREF="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29493093/" REL="nofollow">grade Obama</A> at MSNBC.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-84083925608498369482009-03-10T21:51:00.000-07:002009-03-10T21:51:00.000-07:00Frank!:DAlso, wv says color. And a minute ago, it ...Frank!<BR/>:D<BR/><BR/>Also, wv says color. And a minute ago, it was asking for dimes. It's getting entirely too lucid...juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-73603867188364767392009-03-10T18:04:00.000-07:002009-03-10T18:04:00.000-07:00Also, we never recommend the Way of the 'Coon. We...Also, we never recommend the Way of the 'Coon. We only offer it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-88523248642003461152009-03-10T17:55:00.000-07:002009-03-10T17:55:00.000-07:00Anonymous Sarge,To paraphrase the Hells Angels: "W...Anonymous Sarge,<BR/><BR/>To paraphrase the Hells Angels: "We don't recruit Raccoons -- we <I>recognize</I> them!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-40061623452266322912009-03-10T16:04:00.000-07:002009-03-10T16:04:00.000-07:00anonymouse said "The point the sarge was trying to...anonymouse said "The point the sarge was trying to make is to meet the enemy, do not run from her"<BR/><BR/>If you are the same lame exhorter who's been pushing this line the last couple of years, you know that I for one have said over and again, the need to let no comment go unanswered, as I did in the comments <A HREF="http://onecosmos.blogspot.com/2009/03/antichrist-update-vol-1.html" REL="nofollow">earlier this week</A> , where I suggested "<I>Don't miss a chance to speak out, it doesn't need to be a speech or a harangue, a simple rebut, an "I don't agree", or if you've got the nack, use humor on the leftists (and mindless's) 'hope and change' spouting's - humor turned upon them is like holy water on a vampire."</I>, but you are not suggesting that people live right, name either the fool or the evil for what they are and stand your ground or battle them as needed, you are suggesting we artificially attempt to force others to 'believe' and behave as we would tell them was 'sensible' to, which shows you have little or no understanding of what 'sensible' is or what it requires.<BR/><BR/>A Raccoon has nothing in common with rousseauian's who would 'force them to be free'.<BR/><BR/>Your line is tiresome, get a grip. Or at least a cup of coffee. Wake yourself up before complaining about others snoring.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-49239835200130664962009-03-10T15:41:00.000-07:002009-03-10T15:41:00.000-07:00I went out to play today, and got a portrait of Sa...I went out to <A HREF="http://juliecork.wordpress.com/2009/03/10/ananda/" REL="nofollow">play</A> today, and got a portrait of Saturday:<BR/><BR/>Sonlight kisses core<BR/>radiance flows through the (w)hole<BR/>cosmos in a stem<BR/><BR/>***<BR/><BR/>Anony,<BR/><I>The point the sarge was trying to make is to meet the enemy, do not run from her.</I><BR/><BR/>*snork*<BR/>keep on plugging; each time you do, you simply reveal how little you comprehend about the Bro'hood.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-14818250778317954812009-03-10T14:38:00.000-07:002009-03-10T14:38:00.000-07:00Raccoons:The enemy is darkness in deluded human mi...Raccoons:<BR/><BR/>The enemy is darkness in deluded human minds, including our own.<BR/><BR/>We don't shrink from the darkness, but we seek it out.<BR/><BR/>It will run from us, not vice versa.<BR/><BR/>Petey says to attract, not to force, and that is a good way to operate. It is an effective covert technique.<BR/><BR/>The point the sarge was trying to make is to meet the enemy, do not run from her. <BR/><BR/>Slack any way you like but not that way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-33626275331146215702009-03-10T14:27:00.000-07:002009-03-10T14:27:00.000-07:00...Jake Rademacher’s intimate documentary about hi...<I>...Jake Rademacher’s intimate documentary about his need to bridge the growing distance between himself and his two younger brothers serving in Iraq is a beautiful and moving piece of work which transcends agenda to tell the story of three brothers at war, not in Iraq, but with the gap their different life choices created between them.</I><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.brothersatwarmovie.com/#/Home" REL="nofollow">Brothers at War</A> comes out this weekend (limited release - wider later this month)<BR/>Big Hollywood has a couple of posts on it<BR/><A HREF="http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/gledeen/2009/03/09/%e2%80%9cbrothers-at-war%e2%80%9d-an-iraq-movieworth-seeing/#more-74166" REL="nofollow">here</A> and <A HREF="http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2009/03/07/baw/" REL="nofollow">here</A><BR/><BR/>Producer Gary Sinise has been giving interviews about the film <A HREF="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/19826.html" REL="nofollow">here</A> and <A HREF="http://www.aintitcool.com/node/40383" REL="nofollow">here</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-34979717381287626182009-03-10T13:22:00.000-07:002009-03-10T13:22:00.000-07:00science's last words:"please allow me to explain"r...science's last words:<BR/>"<I>please allow me to explain</I>"<BR/>rollover minutes<BR/><BR/>wv: Aye, <I>maties</I>!robinstarfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15665546554663005609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-81784237585955680222009-03-10T12:47:00.000-07:002009-03-10T12:47:00.000-07:00'Coon and see'? Heh. I think that's the one.'Coon and see'? Heh. I think that's the one.Ephrem Antony Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032465992619034619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-12725566480905932612009-03-10T12:06:00.000-07:002009-03-10T12:06:00.000-07:00We do not Ovangelize, we attract.Bylaw 7, subsecti...We do not Ovangelize, we attract.<BR/><BR/>Bylaw 7, subsection c.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-81989534505836471182009-03-10T11:59:00.000-07:002009-03-10T11:59:00.000-07:00Sarge, again, feel free to put on your 'coon mask,...Sarge, again, feel free to put on your 'coon mask, grab your coonifesto and go knocking door to door asking the residents "Have you heard the word of the raccoon today?"<BR/><BR/>We'll pop a cool one in your memory on the next transdimensional raccoon day.<BR/><BR/>For the rest of us, being raccoons already, we don't need to pretend to be.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-12467445276506108222009-03-10T11:41:00.000-07:002009-03-10T11:41:00.000-07:00Yup Van, those variants of insufficient timelessne...Yup Van, those variants of <I>insufficient timelessness necessary </I> are actually code words for <I>oh goodie! Now pay attention.</I><BR/><BR/>******************<BR/>Not sure whether Iowahawk's 2nd round of fun with ObamaCons has made it to the den yet, so here it is:<BR/><A HREF="http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2009/03/i-daresay-it-is-time-we-deal-with-the-mutineers-aboard-the-ss-conservatism.html" REL="nofollow">I Daresay It Is Time We Deal With the Mutineers Aboard the S.S. Conservatism<BR/><BR/></A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-83651793775334975222009-03-10T11:39:00.000-07:002009-03-10T11:39:00.000-07:00(hmmm... think I must have bumped a ctrl-z in that...(hmmm... think I must have bumped a ctrl-z in that second comment... eh, s'all good)Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-4672522019969983052009-03-10T11:37:00.000-07:002009-03-10T11:37:00.000-07:00"unhappitat for subhumanity"Snork."Raccoons just w..."unhappitat for subhumanity"<BR/><BR/>Snork.<BR/><BR/>"Raccoons just want to be left alone by the progressives, who will never be content until every last person is wide asleep to the transcendent, and therefore human, reality. Everything else is just commentary. "<BR/><BR/>... written on the Cave wall.<BR/><BR/>"For as Pope Benedict observed, "the destruction of transcendence is the actual amputation of human beings from which all other sicknesses flow. Robbed of their real greatness they can only find escape in illusory hopes.... The loss of transcendence evokes the flight to utopia.""<BR/><BR/>Yep, Severing things from values, quantities from qualities, is the process of amputating the Human from humanity.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-26136595671974333442009-03-10T11:36:00.000-07:002009-03-10T11:36:00.000-07:00Good post, Bob, given the time limitations. A nod...Good post, Bob, given the time limitations. <BR/><BR/>A nod to the material world: as you have seen, well rested neurons are required for success in any endeavor, including metaphysical musing.<BR/><BR/>That quivering gray matter stuff? Yes, essential. Yes, it evolved in a Darwinian fashion. But, even so, we know from your wrtings it isn't the be or end all. <BR/><BR/>Let's move on to attitude. You wrote:<BR/><BR/>"Raccoons just want to be left alone by the progressives,"<BR/><BR/>However much truth there is to this, it remains a defeatist attitude that should be changed. <BR/><BR/>Raccoons should definitely seek out contact with progressives, in order to influence them.<BR/><BR/>The job of the raccoon is to influence, make no mistake. And the influence is not needed so much by other raccoons as it is to the more deluded world at large.<BR/><BR/>So, don't hide under a bushel basket, a foxhole, a living room, or wherever you may hunker down.<BR/><BR/>Get out there and do your duty. Don't make me say it again.<BR/><BR/>Sargent SlackhopperAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-88444415903676668982009-03-10T11:27:00.000-07:002009-03-10T11:27:00.000-07:00"For as Whitehead explains, "A self-satisfied rati..."For as Whitehead explains, "A self-satisfied rationalism is in effect a form of anti-rationalism. It means an arbitrary halt at a particular set of abstractions. This was the case with science," which necessarily severs things from values -- and which in turn engenders truly permanent and therefore hopeless confusion."<BR/><BR/>Bingo. Starting with Descartes putting 'Doubt' as a primary (which amounts to a demand that reality meet <I>your</I> approval first, before you will (if you will) acknowledge it), then Hume's discarding of causality and the assertion of an IS implies no Ought (which apart from the obvious relativism, it allows that by denying that one thing must lead to another thing, it enables you to say that whatever you'd prefer led to something else, could have just as much validity as anything else), and then Kant's you can't ever really know anything; that had to result in leftism, and the assertion that any thing can have as much value, as any other thing - which is just putting a happy face on nihilism.<BR/><BR/>The metaphysical root of leftism is the desire to remake reality in their own image - darkness.<BR/><BR/>Speaking of which, I don't like it being in the 1:00 hour now, it should be back in the 12:00 hour still. Actually, given the fact that I'm just now beginning to feel that the pajama's should be exchanged for pants, I'd prefer that the current time be more 9:00-ish... maybe we can get a stimulus bill for Time passed too? Maybe a 'Slack-light savings time' bill... maybe I could get a grant for it... after all, why not?Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-82011610159793851152009-03-10T10:48:00.000-07:002009-03-10T10:48:00.000-07:00"I woke up later and simply didn't have sufficient..."I woke up later and simply didn't have sufficient time for the timelessness necessary to bring back a big catch from O"<BR/><BR/>Oh those magic words! 'No time, this is gonna be brief', Always means, <I>this is gonna be goOod!</I>'.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-70078694162178300192009-03-10T10:08:00.000-07:002009-03-10T10:08:00.000-07:00(Completely off-topic, but I thought Leslie might ...(Completely off-topic, but I thought Leslie might appreciate <A HREF="http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/tag/profiles-in-courage/" REL="nofollow">this series</A>, along with anyone else who cares about our military)juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-18818703054370193902009-03-10T09:53:00.000-07:002009-03-10T09:53:00.000-07:00Many thanks...I am on it!Many thanks...I am on it!Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06708393262849661076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-27724988416632023492009-03-10T08:33:00.000-07:002009-03-10T08:33:00.000-07:00Whitehead is very difficult, but the obvious place...Whitehead is very difficult, but the obvious place to begin would probably be <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/002935210X?ie=UTF8&tag=onecosmos-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=1789&creativeASIN=002935210X" REL="nofollow">Modes of Thought</A> followed by <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0684836394?ie=UTF8&tag=onecosmos-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=1789&creativeASIN=0684836394%22%22" REL="nofollow">Science and the Modern World</A>.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.com