tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post6881633327797980738..comments2024-03-18T21:33:35.309-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: One Flew Over the Cosmic NestGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-34658195580934907092007-06-30T06:23:00.000-07:002007-06-30T06:23:00.000-07:00Van,“Hasn't the world come to an end before?”Been ...Van,<BR/>“Hasn't the world come to an end before?”<BR/>Been thinking the same thing.<BR/>Something wonderful may be coming to set it all straight again.<BR/>It will be that much greater compared to the bad that draws it down as the vacuum builds between the two.<BR/>I can only look forward to the wonderful part.<BR/>What else can we do?Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-8760676030254647932007-06-29T23:32:00.000-07:002007-06-29T23:32:00.000-07:00River, like JulieC said - follow the Depth... I'm ...River, like JulieC said - follow the Depth... I'm sure that the Good, the Beautiful and the True will have your back.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-60377676421668528182007-06-29T23:30:00.000-07:002007-06-29T23:30:00.000-07:00Just a thought that maybe too interpretive... but ...Just a thought that maybe too interpretive... but hasn't the world come to an end before? The Romans certainly thought so when the Vandals swept through, the Byzantines thought so when the Muslims sacked Constantinople, the Brittish & Irish thought so when the Saxon's & later the Viking's came through, and the Saxon's when the Normans crushed and enslaved them... and on and on and on through to Napoleon & Hitler & Stalin & Mao...<BR/><BR/>Perhaps we'll be the ones to listen to history in time... perhaps not. If not, someone else will have a go at it in a few hundred years. The world is always coming to an end, and being reborn again, from Winter to Spring, Father to Son, diapers to dentures. Your world will end. Mine will end. Will you make it worth a curtain call? <BR/><BR/>Worry about what you can properly do in your own life and the lives of those who live with you. Worrying about what you aren't prepared to do or is beyond your abilities is like giving the vampire outside your window a long long straw.<BR/><BR/>I won't pretend that I don't have some moments - often a string of them - that make India Ink look like flourescent markers - but even then it only goes down so far & no further. <BR/><BR/>And I'm not all that convinced that those dark moments are all that bad - they help to clarify & put things into perspective.<BR/><BR/>There is an I inside of me, and it knows the pull of the Good, the Beautiful and the True, and how to laugh at straw toting vampires. <BR/><BR/>The rest is just another Dei.<BR/><BR/>wv:yosalky - Skully, I think this ones for you...Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-4713499814300956802007-06-29T22:51:00.000-07:002007-06-29T22:51:00.000-07:00River, may God be with you in your upcoming battle...River, may God be with you in your upcoming battle zone. If you can, remember to follow the depth :)<BR/><BR/>Bob, whatever the cause for your dimmed optimism, I hope you and your family are alright. I don't know if you need it, but I'll be thinking of you all in my prayers tonight, too.<BR/><BR/>In fact, it's been a strange day capping off a strange week, so I'll just expand that to all raccoons, wherever you might be. May Truth, Beauty, Goodness and <I>Humor</I> keep you all company tonight.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-29418626794019006622007-06-29T22:36:00.000-07:002007-06-29T22:36:00.000-07:00Sometimes we just need a sign, some kind of sign, ...Sometimes we just need a sign, some kind of sign, that things will turn out alright. Our knowledge and perspective are limited so we're often limited in how much faith we have. Faith and Hope are good, but they must be in something true, and this is the trouble. <BR/><BR/>There times when it is truly time for a prayer. <BR/><BR/>I'm personally 50/50 on the whole prospect of 'the end times' being literal; as in, things in all ways wax worse and worse until the end... are not the end times in Judeo-Christian tradition always beginning-times too? <BR/><BR/>God did call this creation good when he first made it. I guess in the end, we'll find out what that all means-- because evil certainly is here, too.<BR/><BR/>I'm going to be entering a 'battle zone' of sorts soon perhaps, starting maybe tommorow. Please remember me in your prayers, I'll need all of the help I can get.<BR/><BR/>Thanks as always, Bob, for dropping the good word here while you can. I heard a good jazz number called 'Bob's place' - which I'm going to have to find out more about.Ephrem Antony Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032465992619034619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-14390976367006030242007-06-29T19:34:00.000-07:002007-06-29T19:34:00.000-07:00Bob, your post made me think all day about the "pl...Bob, your post made me think all day about the "place" of humor in relation to metaphysics. This evening, I recalled something you wrote last Sunday, the post entitled Follow the Depth, which might pertain. <BR/><BR/>You were talking about Schuon: "Metaphysics...offers <I>"humanly crucial openings,</I> which is all the more important in a world wherein the abuse of intelligence replaces wisdom." In my book, I compare these openings to the vertical springs that dot the horizontal landscape."<BR/><BR/>Doesn't that describe how you use humor?<BR/><BR/>The people you chose as examples were all slightly crazy with creativity, but they also let some light in. One of their co-conspirators was Stewart Brand; a cohort of Richard Alpert, Watts, and Ken Kesey, he became famous for The Whole Earth Catalog (now he's a proponent of nuclear energy). He had a very interesting sense of humor; this, from a recent article about him in the NY Times, illustrates:<BR/><BR/>"Mr. Brand got his first look at the big picture one afternoon in 1966 while sitting on a roof in San Francisco at what he calls an “altitude of three stories and 100 mikes,” meaning micrograms of LSD. He contemplated the skyline and decided the buildings weren’t parallel because he was seeing the curvature of the Earth.<BR/><BR/>This reminded him of Buckminster Fuller’s theory that people abused the environment because they thought of the Earth as flat and infinite, not as a finite globe. The next day the Earth looked flat again, but the 28-year-old Mr. Brand had a new cause. He printed up buttons asking, “Why haven’t we seen a photograph of the whole Earth yet?” <BR/><BR/>So I am just suggesting that perhaps the place for your humor is found in "humanly crucial openings" which let us dive <I>deeper</I> into your posts.walthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01388218390016612051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-2311408463443753532007-06-29T17:19:00.000-07:002007-06-29T17:19:00.000-07:00The fallacy, it seems to me, is that thinking the ...The fallacy, it seems to me, is that thinking the end of this world is a bad thing. That is only the case if this world is good, which it is not.<BR/><BR/>By "world" in this case I mean the human society composed of people suspended between their brutish primate nature and the yearning of the spirit. Since late in the Ice Age, some 40-60 000 years ago, we have been in this painful position. But since the dawn of recorded history, and probably some time before, visionaries have foretold the end of this ordering of things.<BR/><BR/>It is no wonder that the pictures they have used have been of the greatest disasters they could think of. More often than not, it seems, their words have also been picked up by others who may have embellished or interpreted them. When the mystic says that all of mankind as we know it will cease to exist, those who listened must surely have thought of disasters like flooding, fiery volcanoes and other catastrophes, only magnified immensely.<BR/><BR/>The Neanderthals have already passed utterly from the Earth, and at what time? At the dawn of the time of opportunity. At the very end of the Ice Age. The flawed race we are today still went far, far beyond what the Neanderthals - and also our own ancestors 60 000 years ago - could have imagined. It was a new world that arose, and the old passed away.<BR/><BR/>I believe it will happen again. A change as dramatic as the one that gave birth to the current human psyche. The end of all things ... and the beginning of all things anew.Magnus Itlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18445902788427523461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-86999411616579915422007-06-29T15:44:00.000-07:002007-06-29T15:44:00.000-07:00I don't have the time to hunt the qoute & link, bu...I don't have the time to hunt the qoute & link, but Aristotle claimed that it was wrong to think of Happiness as simply pleasure, wealth, and honor. Rightly understood, happiness will be the activity of the soul exhibiting the best and most complete habits of excellence and virtue.<BR/><BR/>It's a process, an everchanging process of integrating idea, habit and reality.<BR/><BR/>We've often mentioned here, as with the recent Matahorn/Monument metaphor, that the Vertical is always somewhat skewed when overlayed upon the horizontal - just as when we attempt to represent the spherical earth upon a flat paper map we find Greenland nearly as large as all of North America. Some aspects of it, position, directional relation, etc to North America are correct... but somethings such as size are just way off - it is both true and untrue at the same time.<BR/><BR/>What has that got to do with it?<BR/><BR/>Some of the best of humor seems to me to do the same thing. Watch Cosby, or read about Bertie Wooster in P.G. Wodehouse's stories - some seemingly sensible thing becomes warped into an unexpected situation through a seemingly logical chain of events - and you bust a gut laughing about it.<BR/><BR/>Contemplating the facts and relations of our proper mental & spiritual integrations, produce warm sensations. Humor involves correct integrations with some relational feature skewed upon the horizontal. Sound and unexpected, but pleasureable, even instructive, all the same. <BR/><BR/>Discovering new and unexpected integrations give us the "Aha!" experience which releases a jolt of good sensations and excitement, Humor releases extremely pleasureable sensations because of that slightly skewed mental integrations - the point being, that making & contemplating, reinforcing, our integrations of fact, habit, knowledge and spirit produce pleasant mental sensations. The opposite is also true, mis or disintegrations, produce anxiety, fear, and various mockeries of the positive sensations. <BR/><BR/>But as things in nature seem naturally fall apart, things in mind seem to naturally come together - what else does a child do all day long but make new, and reinforce newly made, integrations and understandings out of an otherwise chaotic world.<BR/><BR/>Bad things are out there, but they are abnormal, the metaphysically unnatural - which will eventually be corrected and overcome with the right, sensible & metaphysically natural connections (Truth). I am extremely optimistic that eventually our understanding of & close familiarity with the evil, will seem to future generations as the filth, disease and unsanitary living conditions of cavemen seem to us. Out of fashion, undesirable and downright out of the question as a lifestyle.<BR/><BR/>Optimism and humor are the metaphysically natural and good, flowing from The Good, the Beautiful and the True.<BR/><BR/>My seeming polyannaism is quickly killed, gutted, stuffed and mounted upon the wall of wierd by my expectation of when 'eventually' will come to pass. Barring interplanetary colisions, the earth has still got several millions of years left on its clock. That's a long time for 'eventually' to come about. It may see Western Civilization become bare whispers of tales, just as tales of Mycenean culture are to us.<BR/><BR/>Thankfuly, that's not our problem though. We just need to concern ourselves with our culture and ourselves. And a good sense of humor is definitely a major aid in that task.<BR/><BR/>BTW, IMNSHO, Hell? We don't know, can't know anything about what comes after life. Probably a feature purposefully implemented by the Deisigner. What we can know, is that life here and now can become Hellish, if you attempt to make mockeries of the Good, the Beautiful and the True. Don't do it. Make your activity of the soul exhibit the best and most complete habits of excellence and virtue, and happiness maybe yours. <BR/><BR/>A few good laughs are also garaunteed to follow.<BR/><BR/>Time to go home.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-84481183521068083982007-06-29T15:24:00.000-07:002007-06-29T15:24:00.000-07:00I love ‘gloom and doom’ and the ‘world coming to a...I love ‘gloom and doom’ and the ‘world coming to an end’ theories as much as the next person but perhaps there might be another way to look at this “quickening”…….. I agree with Will that a great many things seem to be coming to a head. Energetically and spiritually I think we all feel it. I see the two primary energies of this world, love or the Holy Spirit, and fear with all of its attendant names. Dualistically speaking there will always be a balance. It appears to be the nature of the game.<BR/><BR/>Internal peace comes from knowing yourself and having core values. the most peaceful, happiest people are people of Faith. In the last 40 years we have seen what amounts to a lapse in Faith resulting in more people, unsure of themselves and their core values breeding discontent and falling prey to the call of the darker forces.<BR/><BR/>The fear side of the equation is in full blossom and I would venture that the quickening we all seem to be experiencing is the need to get back on board and find the spiritual balance by returning to Faith. I'm not talking about Raccoons who might be said to be driving the ship but about the vast ‘middle of the roaders’, the sacred moderates we hear so much about.<BR/><BR/>Blind faith, believing some things simply because your parents believed it, has taken the world to a certain point in time where as it now seems that a resurgence of newfound faith will be a faith of a much higher and stronger vibration. That's why I see all of this as being an exciting time to be alive.<BR/><BR/>Blogs such as this, with the people who so graciously give of their time and insights, illuminate the faith in ways you just can't get from the pulpit. I believe this is integral to Western Civilization regaining the offensive. Anyway, that's what occurred to me while reading Bob's post and all of your comments. <BR/><BR/>And Bob, stiff upper lip buddy……… it's the pioneers that take all the arrows and you are allowed all the time you want to regain your optimism…… we've got your back!<BR/><BR/>sqAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-82271561872085587562007-06-29T14:31:00.000-07:002007-06-29T14:31:00.000-07:00Susannah said:"Apparently, sober mindedness and jo...Susannah said:<BR/>"Apparently, sober mindedness and joy are not mutually exclusive?"<BR/><BR/>Of course not. See Joan's comment regarding C.S. Lewis. I find G.K. Chesterton very funny. The late Dr Gene Scott could be at his funniest while talking about the least frivolous of subjects.<BR/><BR/>Somehow the bursting humor makes the messages more memorable. Prosy, pedantic bores are just that: bores. Even when their message is 'worthy', who the heck can remember any part of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-61781326417103589442007-06-29T14:09:00.000-07:002007-06-29T14:09:00.000-07:00I really like Lewis' imagery of Heaven/Hell in "Th...I really like Lewis' imagery of Heaven/Hell in "The Great Divorce". Heaven itself was so real as render the lost souls who entered nearly invisible and almost completely permeable by the smallest mote of dust in the heavenly realm. Blades of grass cut like knives, pebbles were too heavy to be lifted, and the sun's rays penetrated completely through their bodies. Lewis took great pains to convey the agony that Heaven was for the damned that entered. His overall narrative metaphor aside, I have always thought that it was very insightful that Heaven and Hell should be described as being the same place.<BR/><BR/>It's not really so far fetched, if you think about it. For example, I consider this country (America) to be one of the most amazing, free, and downright heavenly places I have ever had the pleasure to live. To others, Hell's flames are a cool breeze compared to the roiling cauldron of evil that this country represents.<BR/><BR/>If someone is determined to see Hell when they look at Heaven, I don't think there's really much <I>anyone</I> can do about it. Can't make the horse drink if he doesn't want to...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-86850767237391404362007-06-29T13:04:00.000-07:002007-06-29T13:04:00.000-07:00I'm one of those who shouldn't attempt humor. :) ...I'm one of those who shouldn't attempt humor. :) <----<BR/>These smilies are the best I can do. I really like funny people, though. <BR/><BR/>I think I tend to be a pessimist in some ways, but I'm not convinced that's a God-like thing. It could be a mind parasite. Most of the people I know who are full of faith are very sunny and optimistic and happy and thankful. I admire them and desire to be more like that. "More than conquerors through him who loved us..."<BR/><BR/>And then, there are temperamental differences, too. I believe God makes us different so we'll be forced to recognize our need for balance. Passive "phlegmatics" like me who are easily influenced *need* to be around sunny, optimistic, energetic, faith-filled people. <BR/><BR/>As for the eschatological sense, I think we are indeed headed for bleaker times, but that glory is the ultimate end. I do sense a "quickening" in that people will soon be forced to a decision. Scripture's pretty clear about "winnowing" and "separation" and "works burning up" and the like. You're either sincerely seeking the vertical or you are self-seeking. I don't know how many sincere seekers will be included in redemption. Obviously, as a Christian, I believe faith in Christ is the criterion. Yet I also believe I may be surprised to discover who has really trusted in Christ and who will hear "depart from Me, I never knew you," despite all the God-talk. Thank goodness, I'm not in charge of all that. :) I'm just in charge of me (and my little charges).<BR/><BR/>So yep, I think joy is inextricable from faith, and joyful people tend to have a good sense of humor...but then so is being sober-minded. Apparently, sober mindedness and joy are not mutually exclusive?<BR/><BR/>Sheesh, sometimes I think it'd be better if I didn't comment at all. I sure can take a lot of space to say very little.Susannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16381272662339466736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-14495286786657517242007-06-29T13:03:00.000-07:002007-06-29T13:03:00.000-07:00When I posted that some universalists bite the bul...When I posted that some universalists bite the bullet and hold that everyone will be saved in the end, even the worst monsters that history reveals to us, I wasn't necessarily presenting my own view. I have no idea what will happen. I remember a report by a holocaust victim who survived and told of a time when he witnessed a large line of naked women and children being machine-gunned into a mass grave. He called upon God to stop what was happening, thinking, "This is against you if anything is." and when the slaughter continued, he concluded that there was no God. The only way I can think of to avoid that gloomy conclusion is to accept the seemingly pollyannish contrary, that seeming evil does not really triumph and that even the worst of us will ultimately find his or her way back to the God who created us. Eventually Satan will give up his envy and rebellion and be reconciled with his better. That may take an extremely long time, but not an eternity. As I say, these are the alternatives that my feeble mind comes up with. There may well be others that I am not yet in a position to understand. The impetus for my remarks was Gagdad's seeming to shrink from his characteristic sunny optimism toward something more gloomy. In his book he seems to subscribe at times to the lila theory, that this is all the absolute's playful manifestation, a game it is playing by tricking itself into believing it is a multiplicity of limited beings rather than a single, unlimited one. That play would be cruel if the seeming suffering of we seemingly limited beings were never revealed to be a mere appearance.<BR/><BR/>By the way, I didn't just create a blog, but updated a blogger file from several years ago. I have never had a blog and still don't, but I couldn't figure out any other way to post a comment than to update that old thing. Also, I'm sorry that I couldn't post the URL link properly because I can't figure out how to do it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10651618249822558375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-74208932150924227412007-06-29T12:58:00.000-07:002007-06-29T12:58:00.000-07:00Get out of the house and into the sunlight; dig in...Get out of the house and into the sunlight; dig in the yard; you'll feel better. (and stop thinking so damn much.)<BR/><BR/>Bob F.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-44331915655903555632007-06-29T12:54:00.000-07:002007-06-29T12:54:00.000-07:00FWIW - A scholarly work that best represents my ow...FWIW - A scholarly work that best represents my own view of hell is The Fire That Consumes, by Edward W. Fudge. <BR/><BR/>From a summary:<BR/>"This exhaustive volume examines every biblical text on the subject and shows that hell involves the everlasting, total destruction of both body and soul. It also traces the development of the traditional view of unending conscious torment, from the early church fathers to the 20th century."<BR/><BR/>Since hell is total separation from God, I think annihilation does the trick.<BR/><BR/>Hope that doesn't make me a heretic.NoMohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01100042056270224683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-31426535865535477812007-06-29T12:48:00.000-07:002007-06-29T12:48:00.000-07:00Ironic is probably the best descriptor I can think...Ironic is probably the best descriptor I can think of... If Stalin et al are there it will be in Eternal Torment -- for they will return to whence they came -- Perdition.<BR/><BR/>Heaven is the light of the fire without the burning, and hell the burning without the light.<BR/><BR/>(Learning Dvorak Keyboard Layout is tough -- typing this comment took 10 minutes....)Ephrem Antony Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032465992619034619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-57636568261087954082007-06-29T12:31:00.000-07:002007-06-29T12:31:00.000-07:00Wow. Beaglebreath created a blog just so's he coul...Wow. Beaglebreath created a blog just so's he could post here!<BR/><BR/>However, I won't go as far as outright dismissal of a certain idea posited. (I <I>know</I>, Ximeze! Even I'm amazed!)<BR/><BR/>Geo.MacDonald presents something similar (tho' not nearly as outrageous) in his writings. I found it curious when I first ran across it, because it seemingly runs cross-current to everything a good Christian is taught. <BR/><BR/>MacDonald says, and not with any pretense of finality or authority, "God will have us <I>good</I>," when speaking of a wayward son. In the context of the loving father of a large family, GM projects insight into a Father's heart, not necessarily the Order of the Cosmos as created by said Father.<BR/><BR/>Somewhere in that averred surety, "God will have us [be] good," is a mysterious small voice of hope for those whose struggle is mostly with themselves.<BR/><BR/>I don't know that it extends to those who have surrendered their humanity. I would think such beasts are subsumed into the earthen material they sprang from and preferred. Truly unevolved and therefore unable to ascend, it makes them unfit to dwell in the Light; for such have chosen, against all importunity, to be left in the dust.Joan of Argghh!https://www.blogger.com/profile/14729682908266300507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-57147156200055593702007-06-29T11:54:00.000-07:002007-06-29T11:54:00.000-07:00bgalbreath said:"even the Hitlers and the Stalins ...bgalbreath said:<BR/>"even the Hitlers and the Stalins find their way back to the source from which they ultimately sprang"<BR/><BR/>Spawn of Satan, may you roast for all eternity, as is your due.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-13632162074142419492007-06-29T11:33:00.000-07:002007-06-29T11:33:00.000-07:00Best case for the necessity of a sense of humor:Th...Best case for the necessity of a sense of humor:<BR/>The picture you used of Hilary (a little cold hearted of you around lunchtime, but we'll let that go for the moment).<BR/><BR/>If you had to face that on a daily basic, you'd either develop a very ironic and wry sense of humor - or experience hell on earth in the here and now.<BR/><BR/>wv:ioouwn - Cool!(eh... just what did I win?)Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-11255925848562733392007-06-29T11:26:00.000-07:002007-06-29T11:26:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Joan of Argghh!https://www.blogger.com/profile/14729682908266300507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-78395431175410190522007-06-29T11:02:00.000-07:002007-06-29T11:02:00.000-07:00I just happened to come across an author who claim...I just happened to come across an author who claims that belief that the Bible describes everlasting torment for sinners is based on a misinterpretation:<BR/><BR/>http://perennis.pathstoknowledge.com/more_eternal_punishment<BR/><BR/>Perhaps all are reconciled in the long run, even the Hitlers and the Stalins find their way back to the source from which they ultimately sprang.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10651618249822558375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-63103038416425740202007-06-29T10:51:00.000-07:002007-06-29T10:51:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Joan of Argghh!https://www.blogger.com/profile/14729682908266300507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-69644885601935449022007-06-29T10:49:00.000-07:002007-06-29T10:49:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Joan of Argghh!https://www.blogger.com/profile/14729682908266300507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-31744118864143204532007-06-29T10:44:00.000-07:002007-06-29T10:44:00.000-07:00Ahhh, Hillary, the woman who can't even straighten...Ahhh, Hillary, the woman who can't even straighten out her own family is going to "fix" the good ole U. S. of A. Now THAT is funny.<BR/>No doubt there will be some R.P. McMurphy acting out if she gets the nod.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-8745891788586352732007-06-29T10:43:00.000-07:002007-06-29T10:43:00.000-07:00Seems to me you've set up a false choice.Why must ...Seems to me you've set up a false choice.<BR/><BR/>Why must it be 'this' or its opposite? <BR/><BR/>Are we not just playing a dualistic human-type game, and when we choose: so what?<BR/><BR/>If we posit the O is gnoable but not knowable, because of His infinite nature, choices based on 'timelines' seem kinda silly. What, we're gonna sleep better 'cause we choose & mebbe we're right?<BR/><BR/>Makes more sense that if O is ALL, then our only choice is BOTH.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com