tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post6558267478873137751..comments2024-03-28T20:04:20.286-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: The Cosmically Infrahuman Agenda of the Proglodyte LeftGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger99125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-2694142179522159172010-03-03T12:33:25.910-08:002010-03-03T12:33:25.910-08:00No, it's a "Dear John letter" from s...No, it's a "Dear John letter" from someone who has taken leave of his reason.Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-34574715867036590132010-03-03T11:34:36.375-08:002010-03-03T11:34:36.375-08:00What is that..a form letter?What is that..a form letter?Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-71445721535972769822010-03-03T10:55:28.328-08:002010-03-03T10:55:28.328-08:00Every word of this is pretentious swill. Your inte...Every word of this is pretentious swill. Your interpretation of the left is a needlessly demonized caricature (the right has equivalent if not far more repugnant flaws), you have utterly no clue what any of it is about yet boldly lay out what you WANT to define it as and seriously grasp at straws in the process.<br /><br />You're deluded by hate and fail miserably to grasp what you believe you're deconstructing.<br /><br />The left is not remotely satanic. Satanism is about self-worship and indulgence, liberalism is about freedom and fairness. Freedom and fairness can go too far, but the opposite extreme - the totalitarian hell-hole that conservatives work towards establishing - is far more horrifying.Scythemantishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03267262353710963137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-90722506306885879442010-03-02T05:44:15.812-08:002010-03-02T05:44:15.812-08:00The article Bob quotes seems a classic example of ...The article Bob quotes seems a classic example of compressing the vertical dimension of soul/spirit to the purely horizontal realm of 'matter', producing what Ken Wilber calls 'flatland'.<br />Flatland being a non hierarchical featureless, utterly relativistic valueless grey landscape.<br />In this landscape, a sage such as Aurobindo or Ramana Maharshi would be no more evolutionary advanced than Sadam Hussein. Clearly idiotic.<br />Man is also clearly something more than a tool using Chimp. Something profound and mysterious developed us into Human Beings; even Arthur C Clarkes 2001 recognises this.<br />For anyone to suggest that the Giza great pyramid is no more significant than a chimp digging holes with a stick is again idiotic.<br />To again suggest that you are nothing is only one part of the equation. Sages of all ages have also said 'That art thou' or Atman is Brahman or the particle contains the whole.<br />Good stuff from Bob in laying waste to this deeply vacuous and damaging secularist dogma.NickyBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-34938670257269937882010-03-01T15:00:00.086-08:002010-03-01T15:00:00.086-08:00Furthermore, via reason we can see that there is m...Furthermore, via reason we can see that there is more to the human person than <i>just</i> the "CRT."<br /><br />If *all* we are is wholly explicable, with no remainder, in terms of chemical reactions, and ultimately in terms of physics -- and, if atheism is the truth about the nature of reality, then that previous must be true about us -- then we would, and could, have no continuity of identity moment-to-moment.<br /><br />Yet, we do have continuity of identity. Therefore, there is more to us than can be accounted for in terms of chemistry and physics.Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-78593637819788727912010-03-01T14:07:45.423-08:002010-03-01T14:07:45.423-08:00Unless death is just like unplugging the TV. "...<i>Unless death is just like unplugging the TV. "Bink" and it all goes black.</i><br /><br />Actually, that's an excellent analogy for death.<br /><br />Say you unplug the TV, or the thing blows a tube or whatever, and the screen goes black. Dead. Dead as a doornail.<br /><br />But the program you were watching on that TV before it gave up the ghost--is it likewise dead? As much as you might hate it, for example, can you make <i>American Idol</i> go off the air everywhere just by pulling the plug? Nope. Can't stop the signal, at least not that way. The programs--the whole point of watching the screen in the first place--those continue even if you can't tune them in.<br /><br />It isn't a perfect analogy, but it's close enough. Bob's dad-in-law, God rest his soul, may no longer have a place in the physical world--but if you honestly think a personality, a force, a SPIRIT like that one can be extinguished forever just because his CRT gave out, you've got another think comin'.Double Whopper with Cheesenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-57654118391886789972010-02-28T09:02:36.611-08:002010-02-28T09:02:36.611-08:00True enough, Tigtog. But my point is about the in...True enough, Tigtog. But my point is about the inadequacy (and pettiness, really) of modern science, even of modern science which hasn't been corrupted into scientism. Science is all well and fine in its proper sphere, but its proper sphere does not account for all of reality. <br /><br />Also, since modern science isn't about truth, we can never automatically take the deliverances of modern science to be true -- any particular scienctific statement <i>may</i> be true, or it may not. In any event, we can't use <i>modern science</i> to determine that it is true; we might, at best, eventually use modern science to determine that it is false.<br /><br />==<br />This post brought to you by "mingist" -- I think WV is telling us that one must use "mingism" to determine the truth of scientific pronouncements.Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-47237329743948351492010-02-28T08:28:17.015-08:002010-02-28T08:28:17.015-08:00Ilion said "To progress requires something mo...Ilion said "To progress requires something more than the working-out of the system/program, it requires a free-and-rational (and actual) mind."<br /><br />To my lights, its all a matter of attitude. People can see the glass half empty or half full. Those that see it half empty are not disposed to look for more, those seeing it half full would be looking forward towards more. My guess is those expecting more are more likely to wonder why and question their blessings. My two cents - FWIW.Tigtoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03290914498892961024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-9319395382829457842010-02-28T08:02:16.563-08:002010-02-28T08:02:16.563-08:00Speaking of movies, saw Gran Torino the other nigh...Speaking of movies, saw Gran Torino the other night.<br />I heard it was good, but not to the level of depth (charge) I expected. I suspect the Raccoons may enjoy it.<br />So…passing it along…Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-16634572921309380342010-02-28T07:44:11.467-08:002010-02-28T07:44:11.467-08:00Paul said "If it's "V alliteration&q...Paul said "If it's "V alliteration" you're looking for, you won't find better than in the movie "V for Vendetta"!"<br /><br />Good point, that would be a V alliterational tour de force... but in everyday life, it doesn't come up too often.<br /><br />"Aside from that, I quite enjoyed it despite the leftist trappings."<br /><br />Hmm... leftist trappings or traps for leftists? I pretty much only indulge in the later.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-42892079727872217312010-02-28T07:38:42.216-08:002010-02-28T07:38:42.216-08:00Ilion said "To progress requires something mo...Ilion said "To progress requires something more than the working-out of the system/program, it requires a free-and-rational (and actual) mind."<br /><br />Yes indeedy, and the active use of it.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-87017853090064321322010-02-28T05:06:21.249-08:002010-02-28T05:06:21.249-08:00It's a bit late, but I'd also like to add ...It's a bit late, but I'd also like to add my condolences to Bob, Mrs. G, and FL.<br /><br />-<br /><br />Van said:<br /><br />"Then there's the willfully atheistic who cling to and assert with virulently vitriolic vehemence (ooh... don't see to many occasions for "V" alliteration) opposition and mockery for all that is Good, Beautiful and True. Those ones, IMHO, are lost."<br /><br />If it's "V alliteration" you're looking for, you won't find better than in the movie "V for Vendetta"! Aside from that, I quite enjoyed it despite the leftist trappings.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10017862506572681903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-29771243688797653212010-02-27T09:38:41.679-08:002010-02-27T09:38:41.679-08:00Even were it not the case that the scientific ente...Even were it not the case that the scientific enterprise has long been corrupted into <i>scientism</i> by the positivists and their heirs, one can no more use science to learn all the truths about reality than one can use mathematics to learn all mathematical truths.<br /><br />Both of these are inadequate to their subject-matter. To progress requires something more than the working-out of the system/program, it requires a free-and-rational (and actual) mind.Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-38744521498732039522010-02-27T09:19:08.432-08:002010-02-27T09:19:08.432-08:00(cont)
But Philosophy-proper can't take you f...(cont)<br /><br />But Philosophy-proper can't take you further than that... to attempt to, or to discard what doesn't meet your demands, is infantile, or as Aristotle said,<br />"<i>...Some indeed, demand to have the axiom proved, but this is because they lack education; not to know of what things one should demand demonstration, and of what one should not argues lack of education....</i> "<br /><br />But that doesn't mean that you are barred from further knowledge, you can still reach first hand experiences of and to deeper understandings, but those experiences are found only within you, you can't take them out and pass them around for a scientific peer review panel to examine. You can't show them the landscape you see, only your description of your experience of it... using rulers and yardsticks you can only describe to each other, but never directly compare and standardize.<br /><br />That does not make it untrue, only personal. And you can discuss your experiences and knowledge with others if you use language to its poetic best. And here 'poetic' doesn't mean fanciful, it is that mode of language best suited to such descriptions and infinitely deep integrations that are most likely to enable others to recognize the same features corresponding to the inner landscape when viewed from their perspective. <br /><br />To the aninnymouses infinite aggravation, Religion is the most - in the proper sense of the word - scientific method for examining the deepest and most important understandings of what is so and why. It may be annoying to some, but hey, it sure gets their gerbil cages to a whirling, and you gotta appreciate the fun of that.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-23122352468710564052010-02-27T09:18:52.583-08:002010-02-27T09:18:52.583-08:00BTW, for our latest aninnies variation on the bill...BTW, for our latest aninnies variation on the billions of lots of huge quantities determinimystically proving either that such huge numbers provide enough chance to create life, or proving how silly a notion it is that our life that's been created has any relation to the huge quantities of [insert feeble data pretext here]... well, as I said to aninnymouse,<br /><br />"Not to fall for your premise, but just for fun... "<br /><br />It's fun to watch them churning their little legs round the gerbil wheel faster and faster, but the notion that you can prove the creation and purpose of the system from details gathered from only within the system, having no experience or knowledge from outside the system, is a big, big, boo-boo.<br /><br />The only thing you can legitimately posit from within the system about it's creation and purpose, is that it is here, and these particular things do this, and these other things seem to do that. To claim that since you know nothing of the outside of the system, it isn't there... or that it's details tell you all you need to know about it's purpose... is a big, big, boo-boo.<br /><br />You can't start from counting the number of stars in the sky and pronounce on why the sky is there, or why the big number of them you count is so big it's makes you being there and counting them into nothing but a knowthing.<br /><br />You don't use the details of experience to tell you what the experiences are for, but with the Reason which experience has enabled you to develop, developing, realizing and inferring hierarchy after hierarchy, integration after integration, forging an unbroken chain from the tiniest grain of sand up to the highest and deepest Truth you've yet conceived, to look not out, but in, towards what emerges as metaphysically true and necessarily so. And necessarily so, the answers you find are going to be general, this is the inner/outer boundary limit to which Philosophy proper can take you to. Aristotle can give you a few first rate pointers in his <a href="http://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/metaphysics.html" rel="nofollow">Metaphysics</a>, on how to certify as a Sherpa guide to those higher Himalayas of thought, which boils down to: Existence exists, to exist is to exist as some thing, because we are able to know that we know that we are conscious. One cannot exist without the other, and each is necessary for the other to be known.."...even though it is not exactly a linear process, since each is holographically in the others...".<br />(break)Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-80193353779716386952010-02-27T07:40:12.849-08:002010-02-27T07:40:12.849-08:00Btw, I wish I'd said welcome to the other new ...Btw, I wish I'd said welcome to the other new commentors here too, lately. Peter, Warren, Jack. Hope I didn't forget anyone else.<br />With Bob's permission, of course..Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-26055788762825193842010-02-27T07:36:31.842-08:002010-02-27T07:36:31.842-08:00I cooncur with Peter's last paragraph especial...I cooncur with Peter's last paragraph especially.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-63287840054214260432010-02-27T07:33:57.822-08:002010-02-27T07:33:57.822-08:00Wait a minute...isn't it three times in a row?...Wait a minute...isn't it three times in a row?<br />Coulda wiped out a 3rd of the universe there..Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-20360475761692889852010-02-27T07:01:15.234-08:002010-02-27T07:01:15.234-08:00Yes, the odds are like walking into the Sahara bli...Yes, the odds are like walking into the Sahara blindfolded and picking the correct particle of sand twice in a row... It could happen.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-13121314024560634362010-02-27T04:20:36.210-08:002010-02-27T04:20:36.210-08:00If the premise is that humans are special I do not...If the premise is that humans are special I do not see how the introduction of large number probabilities would weaken the premise. Would not the opposite be true?<br /><br />I apologize for the lack of references but I'm pulling this from memory of a distant reading. The window of opportunity for the Big Bang to have resulted in the survival of enough matter to form the known universe dispersed at precisely the right speed and distance to be around and able to coagulate into what we have now is 1 to a google number.<br /><br />In other words, the probability against the formation of the known universe is incomprehensibly large. The counter argument is that if one had an eternity to make dice rolls that anything and everything is possible. Fair enough, but if I recall correctly Stephen Hawking in his theory of time book posited that the Big Bang had only one dice throw to get it right.<br /><br />Even assuming I got this right doesn't "prove" anything but you would have to be a block of wood to not wonder about the possibilities of meaning.PeterBostonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17548739463466710037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-76379199102633445172010-02-27T03:31:48.473-08:002010-02-27T03:31:48.473-08:00Atheist remind me of a Prince William or Prince Ha...Atheist remind me of a Prince William or Prince Harry concluding their childhood and lives were pretty much ho hum average after all. Which would really only require a good dose of obliviousness at noting to put things into perspective.<br /><br />SteveHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-36815187760370473382010-02-27T03:12:11.273-08:002010-02-27T03:12:11.273-08:00Brilliant!!! Bravo!!!
Mrs. G,
God bless your fat...Brilliant!!! Bravo!!!<br /><br />Mrs. G,<br />God bless your father and pray he may rest in peace.phil ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15486481489355451711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-53062224777293225812010-02-26T22:07:51.989-08:002010-02-26T22:07:51.989-08:00Well Dad is across the Lethe and into the zone whe...Well Dad is across the Lethe and into the zone where things can be known.<br /><br />He now knows more than we do. Like what happens after death.<br /><br />But then again, eventually we'll all learn it too.<br /><br />Unless death is just like unplugging the TV. "Bink" and it all goes black.<br /><br />Nothing. Your'e just gone, brutha.Whoppernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-78232251795828857262010-02-26T21:22:04.267-08:002010-02-26T21:22:04.267-08:00aninnymouse squeaked "I'm going to stop w...aninnymouse squeaked "I'm going to stop wasting my time trying."<br /><br />IOW, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ktB7qHezFs" rel="nofollow">Run Away! <i>Run Away! RUN AWAY!!!</i></a>.<br /><br />Heh... I guess that in aninnyland, disgrace is the better part of valour.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-59711724066114474862010-02-26T21:04:15.803-08:002010-02-26T21:04:15.803-08:00Van, you make no sense whatsoever. I'm going t...Van, you make no sense whatsoever. I'm going to stop wasting my time trying. There seems to be something deeply wrong with your mind, although I couldn't begin to say what it is. You should get that checked out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com